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Heisman Winner [119749]
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Furloughed gubmint workers - Im gonna assume
Jan 21, 2019, 5:56 PM
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The majority vote Dem. So when are they gonna call up Pelosi and Schumer and tell them to get off their a-rses and genuinely negotiate so they can get back to work?
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All-In [26968]
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What makes you think they would vote Dem?
Jan 21, 2019, 6:06 PM
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Genuine question.
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All-In [47799]
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they suckle on the gov teat***
Jan 21, 2019, 6:10 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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Military votes Dem?
Jan 21, 2019, 10:52 PM
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Seriously, for many it probably depends on what they do and where they live.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Military votes Dem?
Jan 22, 2019, 10:04 AM
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Depends on the branch.
Army, Navy, Marines are very right leaning.
Specials Forces are all hardcore right wing/libertarian.
Any bureaucratic agencies that supports conventional military and SOF/special forces are right leaning.
Air Force is left leaning. Anything involved with intelligence/SIGINT/electronics such as FBI, NSA, CIA, etc. etc. is typically left leaning as Democrats give significant leeway and funding to those organizations to work and operate within the US, including operations on US citizens. Likewise, the type of people those organizations attract typically idolize the idea of "the machine" and get their rocks off on the idea of being a cog in the vast network of secret government operations for "the sake of national security". Every major program by the intelligence community that has victimized American citizens (such as MK ULTRA) has always occurred under Democrat administrations as the Left's platform idolizes vast expansion of government power. The only exception is Five Eyes, which was enacted under Bush, however that also occurred under a Blue congress with significant bureaucratic holdovers from the Clinton administration, as well as W's tendency to have a Right leaning administration with a Left leaning bureaucracy.
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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What a crock of shlt. I was in the USAF and
Jan 22, 2019, 10:21 AM
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they are at least 75% GOP with the officers and enlisted that I knew.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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When was that? During the Reagan years?
Jan 22, 2019, 12:43 PM
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Then, I'd say that's about right.
Now? from the C-17 pilots I know..no way.
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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Yep. You thinking it’s higher or lower than 75 now?***
Jan 22, 2019, 1:15 PM
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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much lower
Jan 22, 2019, 2:23 PM
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From the groups of just pilots that I know...probably closer to the <50% range.
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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How do you know so many? You in the guard?***
Jan 22, 2019, 3:26 PM
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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BIL is a pilot.
Jan 22, 2019, 4:09 PM
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Old roommate is a pilot. Neighbor is a pilot. Go out and drink a beer with any of them, and there are 5 other ones right there.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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And CHS is a C-17 base***
Jan 22, 2019, 4:09 PM
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All-In [26968]
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Because they have a job?
Jan 22, 2019, 6:10 AM
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Do I "suckle on the teat" of the company I work for? I don't think of it that way.
Also, that doesn't answer the question about why they would vote Democratic.
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Yes, as I said, it was a serious question.***
Jan 22, 2019, 6:05 AM
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Re: Yes, as I said, it was a serious question.***
Jan 22, 2019, 11:56 AM
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I notice that a lot of people see the world in black and white, if they are government workers than they most be democrats.
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But why? What about working for the government
Jan 22, 2019, 12:00 PM
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would lean one way or the other? Is it an issue of "big government"? People who work for the government want more government?
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Re: But why? What about working for the government
Jan 22, 2019, 12:09 PM
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I'd like to think so.***
Jan 22, 2019, 12:48 PM
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When Obama was pres, pubs got blamed
Jan 21, 2019, 6:26 PM
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Not obama.
Now trump is pres, he will get blamed.
Again, media and pop culture control all narratives. This Dems will never get the blame
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cue Cata and his defense of unbiased media***
Jan 21, 2019, 6:36 PM
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CU Medallion [73569]
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This is a bad week for that argument lol***
Jan 21, 2019, 6:46 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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Did he not say, live on national TV...in the oval office...
Jan 22, 2019, 8:21 AM
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that he wanted to own the shutdown?
When it comes to the blame game, how can you overlook that?
Also, he's been in office for 2 years...why is now the time he chose to dig in on "the wall" (so to speak) and shut down the government over it?
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Someone saying "I'm a rhinoceros"
Jan 22, 2019, 8:26 AM
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Does not make them a rhinoceros. The President saying he is to blame for the shutdown doesn't necessarily make it so.
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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But he wouldn’t sign the CR.***
Jan 22, 2019, 9:16 AM
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All-In [26968]
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A CR got to his desk, and he vetoed it?***
Jan 22, 2019, 10:46 AM
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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Not the same thing...
Jan 22, 2019, 11:01 AM
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If the House had voted on it and passed it like the Senate did, they would have had the numbers to override his veto, if they had the courage to do so.
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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They would not have the votes to overturn a veto of
Jan 22, 2019, 11:18 AM
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the clean CR (current levels of spending). Would need two thirds.
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All-In [26968]
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I thought the Senate passed it almost unanimously.
Jan 22, 2019, 11:21 AM
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That's why I said "if the House passes it like the Senate did".
If I'm wrong about the Senate's vote, I apologize.
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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Confusing article above. Pence said Trump would
Jan 22, 2019, 12:21 PM
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sign a clean CR (which means at current spending levels) but Sarah Sanders said he wouldn’t sign it without additional wall funding in the CR.
It seems the Senate got enough to override a veto when initially voting but no way they would get any GOP Senators if Trump actually vetoed.
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I agree, but that wouldn't be his fault.
Jan 22, 2019, 12:24 PM
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That would be the Senate's fault for backing down to their co-equal in the White House.
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Can you guys get different profile icons?
Jan 22, 2019, 2:39 PM
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Having trouble which who thinks what and I’m two lazy to read your names.
K thx. Bye
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All-In [26968]
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joeg uses some bad words...
Jan 22, 2019, 4:58 PM
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While I use just way too many words in general.
HTH
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No, but if you say you're a rhinoceros....
Jan 22, 2019, 9:44 AM
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you and your supporters shouldn't argue when other people call you a rhinoceros too!
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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Re: Furloughed gubmint workers - Im gonna assume
Jan 21, 2019, 6:51 PM
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What’s there to negotiate? Orange Man said Mexico was going to pay for the wall...so why should we? I’ll hang up and listen.
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And Obama said you can keep your doctor
Jan 21, 2019, 6:55 PM
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And your plan and costst will go down by 2000. But he still got his crapcare
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Re: And Obama said you can keep your doctor
Jan 21, 2019, 7:05 PM
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Actually, I kept my Doctor. Most people did. So, that’s a lie... but, back to the wall for a second. Did Trump not say Mexico was gonna pay for it...hundreds of times? Pretty sure he did. I wonder if he told the truth- that he intended to hijack the government to make Americans pay for it. Wonder how that would have gone over going into Election Day. What an absolute con.
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Dude, no one took that seriously except the press
Jan 21, 2019, 7:36 PM
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It was him bloviating. It was obvious. The only way I ever thought he could say that would be to say he got it from reworkin trade
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Re: Dude, no one took that seriously except the press
Jan 21, 2019, 9:08 PM
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Oh, right, we shouldn’t have taken him at his word. My bad.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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Well, Obama never was for savings in ACA
Jan 22, 2019, 2:29 PM
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ACA will only add a trillion or so to our debt.
The wall is only like $5 billion.
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Yes, and the statute of limitations for
Jan 22, 2019, 3:22 PM
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property damage claims is three years from the date you discover the damages, but against a builder in SC, there is an outside limit of 8 years from date of purchase, no matter when you find the defect.
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Re: And Obama said you can keep your doctor
Jan 22, 2019, 9:19 AM
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Obama was wrong to think everyone would be able to keep their doctor. That's not even similar to Trump's insanity that Mexico would pay for our wall.
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now wait...they were both lies....
Jan 22, 2019, 12:06 PM
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and both knew they were lies when they said it.
Hell...Obama was talking on a plan in the works, so...in some sense...his was worse.
In theory, when Trump said Mexico was going to pay for the wall...he could have actually believed he could get them to do that.
But bottom line...they were both lies.
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Re: now wait...they were both lies....
Jan 22, 2019, 12:09 PM
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I am not sure Obama knew. Did he?
If Trump really thought Mexico would pay for our wall, he should have been locked up in a padded room.
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Of course he knew...it was common sense and...
Jan 22, 2019, 1:10 PM
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was an issue continuously brought up by the GOP and continuously denied by Pres Obama.
Did he think all doctors accepted all forms of insurance?
Also, he said if you liked your healthcare plan you could keep it. That wasn't true by a long shot, since the government made certain types of plans illegal and forced minimum coverage on everyone. That was a cornerstone of the dem plan.
So, yes, he was lying and he knew it.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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Remember the $2500/year savings?
Jan 22, 2019, 2:22 PM
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"We’ll lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year…by the end of my first term as president.” –Democratic candidate Barack Obama in June, 2008
Obviously, that didn't happen.
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Re: Remember the $2500/year savings?
Jan 22, 2019, 2:33 PM
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Isn't there a difference between being wrong and lying though?
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Yes...that can be chalked up to normal political....
Jan 22, 2019, 2:37 PM
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rhetoric.
No one honestly believed that was going to happen either, but savings is somewhat subjective.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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Did anyone, other than Obama, think that ACA would save
Jan 22, 2019, 3:17 PM
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anyone money?
The GAO and CMMS certainly didn't think it would..before it was ever even in effect.
If your own accounting office and medicare/medicaid payment clearing house is saying it won't..then why did Obama seem to think it would?
That seems like more of a flat out lie than simple rhetoric.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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He had no idea that giving 20 million people (his numbers
Jan 22, 2019, 12:42 PM
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not mine) to insurance wouldn't raise insurance costs and necessitate massive changes in coverage?
If he wasn't lying and actually thought that...well, that is scary.
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Re: Furloughed gubmint workers - Im gonna assume
Jan 22, 2019, 11:02 AM
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I am not sure how you would know the voting demographics of the federal workers not receiving paychecks. do you have a genie working for you?
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What would you know, personally, about voting?
Jan 22, 2019, 11:04 PM
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