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Orange Blooded [2693]
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what killed Mcaulleffe: the line about parents
Nov 3, 2021, 3:48 PM
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he opened his mouth and stuck his ### in it, lol.
Any other politician would've known better, but this ####### was so arrogant he thought he could get away with a loose statement. You absolutely cannot tell parents that they have no say in their kid's education, so it was easy fodder he tossed up for the media to roast his balls over the latest moral panic.
What a putz, he deserved to lose for that alone.
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thats like going to a NOW rally and saying
Nov 3, 2021, 3:51 PM
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Men are smarter than women and should be paid higher
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What's wrong with that ? ^^***
Nov 4, 2021, 1:25 PM
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Re: what killed Mcaulleffe: the line about parents
Nov 3, 2021, 7:40 PM
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Brandon’s bizarre policies certainly facilitated the Dem loss.
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at least NJ was able to find some ballot boxes
Nov 3, 2021, 8:04 PM
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in the middle of the night
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He said they have "no say"? How weird.
Nov 4, 2021, 7:48 AM
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It's just factually incorrect, unless I'm missing something and public schools in Virginia aren't run by elected officials.
It's like saying 2+2 is five.
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His quote came out stupid
Nov 4, 2021, 7:57 AM
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But that's not what he meant. It was more of a reference to a specific incident of Youngkin and others trying to ban the book Beloved by Toni Morrison from schools.
And no, parents or any mob shouldn't be pushing to ban books from schools, and certainly not that one from high schools.
No American should support any politician's efforts to ban any book. None. Not one.
Now, McAullife stepped on his #### trying to address it and said something stupid. Of course parents should have a say in their kids' education.
But the mob--or in this case, one boo hooing fragile parent--shouldn't be able to successfully get a good work of literature banned from a school.
I doubt this is what sunk McAullife. He had plenty of other problems/missteps as a governor.
EDIT: Also, the mom raising a stink about the book is a conservative activist and her poor fragile son is actually 27 now. But apparently, you know, NOW this is an issue.
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I disagree.
Nov 4, 2021, 8:18 AM
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I don't think a book should be "banned" unilaterally. But if it is "banned" via a democratic process (i.e. elected officials making the decision per procedure), I don't see a problem with that.
I put "banned" in quotation mark because I consider the word to be a bit hyperbolic. Many millions of books are no in public school curricula. That does not mean the book is "banned". It has just not been included.
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But when a book has been selected
Nov 4, 2021, 8:46 AM
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Especially one that is considered to have literary critical acclaim like Beloved, and there's a movement to remove the book because of objectional content, that's an effort to ban it. And when just one person or a small handful of people try to ban it from all, it's a First Amendment violation/censorship.
A book isn't banned because it simply hasn't been considered for the curricula. It is banned once government officials choose to remove it and tell schools they can't read it or students can't view it.
Which, as a side commentary, is stupid. Want to really get kids interested in a book? Tell em it's off limits.
Censors are stupid.
But if it is "banned" via a democratic process (i.e. elected officials making the decision per procedure), I don't see a problem with that.
That's what happened with Huck Finn, Catcher in the Rye, Fahrenheit 451, etc., in the 20th century, and I think it's pretty well established this was a problem.
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The First Amedment does not grant anyone
Nov 4, 2021, 8:51 AM
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the right to have their books taught. It grants you the right to write it without government telling you you can't.
No one is stopping anyone from purchasing or reading the book.
What was the problem? It sounds like someone made a decision that way, then later it must have been reversed, because I've read a couple of those in school. So what was the problem? The system worked.
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It doesn't.
Nov 4, 2021, 8:56 AM
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But it does say something about the government barring content from the masses.
When book banning happens, it's not just removed from the curricula.
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Yes, which is why I don't consider
Nov 4, 2021, 9:00 AM
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removing from curricula to be "banning". Banning is much more than that.
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It's banning if...
Nov 4, 2021, 9:08 AM
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It's removed because a minority of people (and it's always a minority) say, "I don't like this book's content and I want it removed so that ALL students cannot access it because I'm personally offended and my little baby is scarred."
It's not banning if it's decided to swap in something else that maybe fits the curricula better.
Either way, we're picking nits: THAT'S what this clown woman was pushing and Youngkin backed. They were wrong. McAuliffe made a stupid comment in responding to it.
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I admit I don't know anything about the specific
Nov 4, 2021, 9:14 AM
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scenario to which you are referring...I was really only replying to this portion of your original post:
"And no, parents or any mob shouldn't be pushing to ban books from schools, and certainly not that one from high schools.
No American should support any politician's efforts to ban any book. None. Not one."
If a book is removed from a curriculum because only a minority want it to be, then it sounds like an easy fix for the next election. Which probably has something to do with why these sorts of removal seem to be overturned a lot.
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Thankfully it doesn't happen much any more
Nov 4, 2021, 9:15 AM
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Internet shame tends to shut censors down pretty quick nowadays. It was a big problem in the 20th century.
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Re: I admit I don't know anything about the specific
Nov 4, 2021, 9:33 AM
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None of this is true anyway.
Youngkin made comments about TM vetoing bills in 2016 and 2017 that would make it possible for parents to allow their child to opt-out of reading certain materials. (BTW, both bills had bipartisan support including 14 members of the black caucus)
TM then went out in left field claiming Younkin wanted to ban certain books.
Banning and opting out of required readings are two totally different things imho.
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No, that's not completely accurate
Nov 4, 2021, 9:39 AM
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The woman in question DID try to ban the book, unsuccessfully. Then yes, they passed the legislation. You're correct, those two aren't the same thing. But the woman who originally kicked this off wanted a complete ban of the book.
Youngkin ran an ad with this woman in it. The legislation is fine, but the woman is an idiot and Youngkin trotted her out there. It was fair game.
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Re: No, that's not completely accurate
Nov 4, 2021, 9:48 AM
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Woman is an idiot. I agree, fair game but also believe TM wasn't accurate in his portrayal of Younkin.
I've found absolutely no quote from Younkin or his immediate team claiming to want to ban certain books.
TM making the comment parents shouldn't be telling schools what to teach along with the facts that he vetoed bills that would allow parents to opt-out was also fair game. His vetoing the bills speaks volumes to me, he really feels like parents shouldn't have a say.
So, I believe Youngkin was more accurate in portraying TM than vice versa. Jmho.
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Well, I think we can all agree...
Nov 4, 2021, 9:49 AM
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Politicians are gonna spin falsities and half truths about their opponents.
And yeah, TM's comment was fair game. I agree.
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Re: But when a book has been selected
Nov 4, 2021, 9:24 AM
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Are you talking about the book that has pictures of trannies sucking off other trannies with strap ons?
Yeah I'd rather my school aged kid not have access to that book.
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Um, W T F?
Nov 4, 2021, 9:27 AM
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The adults are talking here. Go back to the kids' table. Thanks. They have Jell-O there.
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Re: Um, W T F?
Nov 4, 2021, 9:32 AM
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The adults are talking here. Go back to the kids' table. Thanks. They have Jell-O there.
Hey man, if you want your kids to have access to cartoon #### that's fine. I won't judge you. Just buy them the book. It has no place in schools.
Also I thought you didn't care about this race as it has no effect on you. Why are you commenting on it?
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Re: Um, W T F?
Nov 4, 2021, 9:40 AM
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Nobody is discussing cartoon #### or advocating that it be in schools. You're being a buffoon.
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Re: Um, W T F?
Nov 4, 2021, 12:30 PM
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Ok. What book are you talking about then?
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Well, that's what he claimed on Meet the Press
Nov 4, 2021, 9:08 AM
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And yeah, maybe he was simply back pedaling on his dumb quote, but that's the topic that was addressed.
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Re: what killed Mcaulleffe: the line about parents
Nov 4, 2021, 1:33 PM
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I am assuming since Cat wrote this in the context of banning books for certain ages of kids in school that he really means no books should be banned at all, ever.
And no, parents or any mob shouldn't be pushing to ban books from schools, and certainly not that one from high schools.
No American should support any politician's efforts to ban any book. None. Not one.
That is a ridiculous position to take.
What about the tranny cartoon book? It's a book and you are saying no books should be banned by anyone, ever. So if some crazy liberal woman was drunk enough to have kids with you, are you okay with your 7 year old boy and 8 year old daughter reading that book?
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I don't agree with the crassness, but this is
Nov 4, 2021, 2:51 PM
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a correct point. You can't allow anything and everything. There has to be "censorship" (this form of it) of objectionable content for children.
I believe Cata made a grandiose statement with absolutes (...any book. None. Not one.) that he probably didn't intend to mean books like what you are talking about.
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