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Feb 8, 2014, 11:47 AM
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I cant decide if that is just a funny comentary
Feb 8, 2014, 1:08 PM
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on the latent racism / sexism / ageism in all of us, or on the left's 'gotcha' method of discussion.
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Re: I cant decide if that is just a funny comentary
Feb 8, 2014, 1:12 PM
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nah, racism is in a decline, poor is the new black.
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Quite true. We are creating am underclass not defined
Feb 8, 2014, 1:18 PM
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by race. The only issue is what is causing it.
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Re: Quite true. We are creating am underclass not defined
Feb 8, 2014, 1:27 PM
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lots of things, but our rapid move into a global economy is leaving a lot of people behind.
That is why we can not afford to keep cutting into education to pay our current bills. That would be like a business firing its entire R&D department to stay profitable in the near term.
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Education is important but separate issue. Lack of
Feb 8, 2014, 1:44 PM
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of education spending didnt cause this, more wont solve it.
True case, friends of mine who I care about:
He is a cook, makes $500/week in a nice restaurant. Two kids, she therefore waitresses infrequently. Total income maybe 700/week. Cant survive on that. No wiggle room at all, no cash. Stuck in that cycle.
I challenged the owner on this, that you cant pay a head of household a non living wage. His answer?
"That is the industry standard because with EBT, Earned Income Credit and Medicaid they do much better than that. Total benefits plus their salary is closer to 40k year. They know this."
Great. We have enslaved them as hamburger flippers. No cash, take care of their physical needs, keep them in the hood doing our service jobs. It is slavery pure and simole.
I love EBT, medicaide, and heating assistance. I repeat, I love those things. But they should be available to a fraction of the people getting them, we taxing and paying a fraction of current levels. One could say that the free market would raise pay to market levels (we are paying it anyway) but if you dont believe that raise the minimum wage to the actaul rate we are already paying to $15 - $20. But you have to do both.
The overall point is that govt dependence creates more problems than it solves. The compassion we can agree on. But taxing is not the answer to the underclass or to income inequity.
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Re: Education is important but separate issue. Lack of
Feb 8, 2014, 1:59 PM
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Oh, I agree. We need to re-think how our money is being spent and not just throw more money at it. But at the same time our teacher's unions would not have become corrupt political machines had they not been attacked in the first place.
i am 100% for raising minimum wage over a 3 year term to say 11.00, then tie it to cost of living. The 2.17 a server gets in a joke.
Food industry is tough though, there is not a lot of innovation that will bring down over head, food costs what it costs. But as long as every restauranteur is bound to the same set of rules, then nobody has to worry about going under if we raise rates. Things just get a tad more expensive and our economy grows at a quicker rate.
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Re: Education is important but separate issue. Lack of
Feb 8, 2014, 2:11 PM
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out to be. They do think they are independent and should make decisions about values and methods independent of pesky and backward school boards (you know, the parents), but that will happen in any organization. We should manage that tendency rather than call them all communists (though some are).
But yes, with wages that refelect actual cost, the cost of all services (food, hotel, yard care, most things actually) will go up, but only monetarily, not in actual cost. With workers having more cash the economy would grow. Standard of living rises for everyone.
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Sigh: meant to start with: Yes, the nea is not the seat of
Feb 8, 2014, 2:12 PM
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satqan they are made out to be.
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Re: Education is important but separate issue. Lack of
Feb 8, 2014, 2:03 PM
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I know a little of his situatuon, and if he pays significantly more than industry standard he cant survive: the market has already set menu prices that reflect out of pocket wage costs. There is no source of wage revenue there.
His take home pay is pretty good, but no more than reflects the risk and hours he gives. You would not say he is getting rich. To tax him more would not pay significantly higher emplyeee benefits (divided among 40 employees) and would cause him to do something else, eliminating those jobs.
He, the business owner, is not the problem. The market has adjustd to the new cash availablity created by the govt actions. We cant wish that away. It is a law as sure as gravity, which exits outside our economic and political philosophies. Redistribution is not the answer; it is the problem causing this,
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Meant to start with: The owner is not the bad guy here.***
Feb 8, 2014, 2:04 PM
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Re: Education is important but separate issue. Lack of
Feb 8, 2014, 2:11 PM
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i waited tables through clemson, none of my bosses were rich.
You can do well in Urban areas if you offer something the competition doesn't and charge for it, but the risk is even higher.
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Re: Education is important but separate issue. Lack of
Feb 8, 2014, 8:26 PM
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Two questions: Can't survive on $700 a week? Where, in one of Trump's towers? Also, can't survive on $700 a week, then why have two kids?? $700 a week is not only way above the poverty line in the U.S., but that's striking gold in most countries.
Did you know that Mongolians live on an average of $1.25 a day?
P.S. I just tackled & killed a large deer, cuz I can't afford to buy a rifle on $700 a week, & left most of its deceased corpse in the backyard & anybody that comes near it is liable to get Foghorn Leghorned with a large paddle. J/k. Except balmster of course cuz we mad tight like that.
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Good. Give her a go and report back to us.***
Feb 9, 2014, 3:15 PM
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your friend would qualify for a pell grant
Feb 8, 2014, 11:07 PM
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I managed to get two degrees from Clemson with no debt and very little help from my parents and no grants or loans. It can be done, and my jobs were low paying and it took 10 year.
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The point was not whether he could improve himself.
Feb 9, 2014, 3:15 PM
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Of course he can. (but not easily with a family) The point is that our govt benefits are paid to working people at such a rate that the the actual wages are kept artificially low.
If you like that, join in with the other socialists on this board.
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It's worked for the war on poverty.***
Feb 8, 2014, 10:26 PM
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