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110%er [5156]
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What can the Republicans do?
Nov 7, 2012, 8:30 AM
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I think that it's safe to say that the rapid demographic shift in this country has unalterably changed the electorate.
From a policy perspective, the Democratic party has an intrinsic "in" with Hispanics and African-Americans (Amnesty, Larger entitlement programs, et. al)
How can the Republican party get "back in the game" without straying very far from their ideological roots?
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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have to run on emotion and not issues?***
Nov 7, 2012, 8:34 AM
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Emotion is the biggest issue on any ballot. Period.
Nov 7, 2012, 8:36 AM
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Maybe there's a lesson in that.
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Know-it-all [2004]
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Here's come the brown excuse again.
Nov 7, 2012, 8:35 AM
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Have you checked the Dow lately? Unemployment numbers?
Heck, have you checked the republican candidate???
George Bush did fine with the browns. The tea party and the republicans had dumb ideas. When they have better ideas, people will vote for them.
It's that simple.
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110%er [5156]
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Bush lost overwhelmingly
Nov 7, 2012, 8:41 AM
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with minority candidates, and the trend since 2000 has gotten increasingly one sided.
My original post was not racist, or fearful, but more just an observation of fact.
Historically, Republican policies do not benefit minorities as directly as Democratic ones.
Minority demographics are going up.
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Hall of Famer [24517]
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You make a good point, and I think it is the OP's question.
Nov 7, 2012, 8:50 AM
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In other words, what ideas might you have in mind?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Rock Defender [54]
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Cynical, but it will be proven true...
Nov 7, 2012, 8:38 AM
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Obama will have a 2nd term controversy (Iran/Contra, Lewinsky, Iraq War)....who knows it might be Benghazi. While this is going on, he will over-reach. He will #### off the independents, and 2016 there will be a natural shift back to the right.
ebbs and flows.
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Know-it-all [2004]
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I don't think you get it...
Nov 7, 2012, 8:42 AM
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Venkman: Or you can accept the fact that this city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath-of-God type stuff!
Venkman: Exactly.
Stanz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the sky! Rivers and seas boiling!
Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes!
Winston Zeddmore: The dead rising from the grave!
Venkman: Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria!
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110%er [5156]
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Wow, is that what I said?
Nov 7, 2012, 8:43 AM
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I thought I had posed a legitimate question about where the Republican party needed to go in order to secure more minority votes.
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Know-it-all [2004]
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And I went all Ghostbusters on you. My bad.***
Nov 7, 2012, 8:45 AM
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110%er [5156]
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I just think you've misplaced the sentiment of my post.
Nov 7, 2012, 8:57 AM
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I'm not bemoaning minorities for using government programs.
I'm saying that the Democratic platform has always been more tailored for those two demographics.
It was nice and competitive when A)There weren't so many and B) They didn't vote.
That situation has changed. I'm not Chicken Little crying the sky if falling.
I'm just curious, from a strategic perspective, how do you A) Change your party's platform to achieve more minority votes or B) Change the conversation in a way that neutralizes the Democratic parties advantage?
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All-In [26968]
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Yes, I don't think things will get much better
Nov 7, 2012, 8:42 AM
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If the Lord tarries four more years, so the 2016 election will be there for the taking for the Republicans.
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Re: Yes, I don't think things will get much better
Nov 7, 2012, 9:38 AM
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It seemed to be there for the taking this time.
High unemployment didn't and a stalled economy didn't seem to bother as many people as it once did because the promise of bigger brother creating
more assistance to a downward trend. It seems many groups want more and
more government aid. Shockingly perhaps, but recent polls show more folks expect a bigger handout.
Two other things that were big players, abortion and religion-or lack of religion.
Still I think it is a bad sign of what will follow. I feel like it isn't my country anymore.
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They can nominate people that can be elected
Nov 7, 2012, 8:39 AM
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How they get people like Linda McMahon on the ballot makes no sense. Richard Mourdock and that other dope - again, how are they on he ballot.
If that idiot Christine O'Donnell didn't win the Republican nomination in Nevada, Harry Reid would have lost his seat in the Senate.
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Rock Defender [54]
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O'Donnell was the idiot that cost the pubs Delaware.
Nov 7, 2012, 9:09 AM
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But, your sentiment is correct.
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Oops - I forgot the Tea Party person that was nominated in
Nov 7, 2012, 9:14 AM
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Nevada. But the middle of the line Republican would have easily defeated Harry Reid.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Up until the TP dingbat got nominated, I was hoping for a
Nov 7, 2012, 9:42 AM
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Reid defeat.
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They need to figure out how to get more free stuff
Nov 7, 2012, 8:41 AM
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people like benefits paid by others. The key is to be the "others."
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Know-it-all [2004]
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Let's make a bet...
Nov 7, 2012, 8:43 AM
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Let's take the net loss or gain in tax dollars from all the red states and all the blue states and see which one gets more free stuff.
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All-In [40970]
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I'll bet you voted for the guy most likely to give away
Nov 7, 2012, 8:50 AM
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free stuff...with other people's money, not yours.
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Orange Blooded [2455]
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You avoided addressing his point
Nov 7, 2012, 10:10 AM
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Here it is, again:
"Let's take the net loss or gain in tax dollars from all the red states and all the blue states and see which one gets more free stuff. "
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All-In [40970]
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The red states get more free stuff
Nov 7, 2012, 10:14 AM
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Obviously, the red states are much smarter.
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Orange Blooded [2455]
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Yeah, guess I'd better quit work and get on welfare
Nov 7, 2012, 10:31 AM
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Much smarter!
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Good question. If the question is only about Party, which
Nov 7, 2012, 8:48 AM
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organization wins, the easy answer (hard to execute) is to move to the political leanings of those voters or find other ways to appeal to them.
If the question is how can the conservative ideology be sold to those voters, man, I don't know. For instance, if one truly believes that the current level of govt spending, as a percent of GNP, is impossible to sustain and maintian a growing standard of living, how does one go about getting a demographic who basically doesn't care about that issue to actually vote for that issue?
If one believes that the govt can indeed affect statistical economic numbers like the unemployment rate and the % receiving tangible benefits by massive spending, but that the unseen cost of this is that everone's standard of living goes down, including the poor, how does one convice a demographic who will not understand this to in fact vote along those lines?
Basically, the issue is why do 45 year old white guys vote one way, and other demographics another. If one thinks its about white selfishness you get one answer to your question. If you think its about principles that were once held by the mojority whites but are now discarded by the new majority of other demographics, you get another answer.
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All-TigerNet [13265]
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Become ever more marginalized***
Nov 7, 2012, 8:50 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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I think what you say is half true.
Nov 7, 2012, 9:00 AM
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The growth of this Hispanic population in the West and South is undeniable. Latinos are becoming a powerful voting block. But I think it's wrong to say that they are intrinsically aligned with the democratic party.
I keep hearing this statistic repeated this morning: GHWB won 60% of the white vote in 1988 and won 426 electoral votes; Mitt Romney won 60% of the white vote in 2012 and won 202 electoral votes. Big difference, obviously. But GWB won 40% of the Latino vote in 2004. Obama just won something like 70%+. Have Latinos really changed that much in terms of political culture so quickly? I can't imagine.
As to the GOP and its message to Latinos: to wit, immigrant Latinos and second generation Latinos are hard-working people, strongly family-oriented and very devout Catholics. There is no reason the GOP can't play to that crowd on values and issues. It just takes the right message and the right messenger. Romney doubled-down on a hard-line, anti-immigrant policy during the primaries. This hurt him. GWB, for all his faults, was a visionary on the issue of immigration, visas and guest workers.
Plus, I heard Chuck Todd say earlier on Morning Joe that if Romney had just won the percentage of the Latino vote that McCain won, he would be President-Elect this morning.
I didn't hear his details, but I'm assuming this would have certainly given Romney a victory in FL, CO, NV, and probably also in VA, OH or IA in order to make the math work.
Anyway, while the demographic shift might be pronounced, I don't believe its political impact is as intrinsic or absolute or permanent as you suggest.
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110%er [5156]
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So what is the strategy with Hispanics?
Nov 7, 2012, 9:05 AM
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Path to citizenship+ pushing family values a la Bush?
Doesn't Obama's support for amnesty sort of mitigate any changes in direction from Republicans?
I agree with a lot of what you say, but to play Devil's advocate, might it be a day late and a dollar short?
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Re: I think what you say is half true.
Nov 7, 2012, 9:07 AM
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Usually ideas like self-deportation do not fly well with the Hispanic demographic. The GOP can either line up and work on comprehensive immigration reform now or they will pay the price for the next 40 years. Also they have got to shut up the Tea Party. Their candidates have cost them 5 Senate seats in over the last two elections in red states. Their no compromise platform mixed with the rightest social views are not going to get the party anywhere.
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Re: What can the Republicans do?
Nov 7, 2012, 9:23 AM
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I guess I would be labeled as more of a fiscal conservative. I don't like the idea of runaway spending, but at the same time, I do not mind paying my taxes as long as the process is open and fair across the board on a percentage standpoint, as well as transparent as to the spending (how and why).
I think the Republicans need to forego things like pledges to not increase taxes, that puts a great stall on recovery and the ability to manage government spending. There is a middle ground that neither party has been able to find, but I believe that the Republicans can gain some high ground in this debate by making some concessions, specifically on things like taxes to help get the ball rolling. Pledges to make sure Obama is a one term president or to not raise taxes at all to me is not willing to work for the better of the country. He won, he got over 50% of the popular vote, people like him, now work WITH him, not against him.
All that being said, I do not think that I could vote for a Republican candidate until the party moves into the modern arena on social issues. Abortion, rape and gay marriage were all big talking points this year, and the Republican talking points were not about building a mandate, they were about solidifying their base.
Women are not going to come out and vote for you in droves if you try to take away something they see as their personal choice.
They are not going to come out and vote for you if you belittle what might be the harshest crime they can be forced to endure (rape guys, this isn't the abortion sentence).
And I really don't get the argument against gay marriage. A law allowing gay marriage does not mean that your church has to have gay ceremonies, it doesn't mean that if you are a single guy at 30 you need to go out and marry a dude. I don't see how not allowing consenting adults to form a partnership for tax and benefit purposes is a problem. I just don't. I get it, you have Christian values and beliefs, so be it, there should not be a law or recognized and sanctioned government policy that derives theory directly from such dogma.
I have no idea how they can fix the minority vote issue, which is probably the largest chunk of people voting against them. But I think coming towards the middle on social issues is where they need to start, and once that happens, I believe a lot of people will be willing to hear what the Republicans have to say.
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