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When did it become cultist to have faith in something bigger than yourself and out of your control?
Nov 13, 2022, 1:08 PM
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This term is repeatedly bandied around on the site by a vocal and largely free-member minority, and make no mistake you ARE a minority here.
This year’s version of Tiger football has been difficult to watch at times, but I have faith that the right person with the right virtues and talents is there correcting it and is doing so with a record of 9-1 on track for an ACC Championship appearance.
Faith is a pretty binary thing. You have it or you don’t. You either have the capacity for it, or you don’t. Those who don’t have the capacity for it, tend to be the saddest, most embittered people. We have those types on T-Net.
They don’t viscerally understand faith, so those with it must be cultists. Before Dabo and for so many years, we wanted a nationally recognized program; championships, nattys. We wanted it, but we had no idea how you build that. One GUY put his faith in Dabo, and he took us from mediocrity to the standard; a new standard that includes focus on football AND academics with championships second to only Bama and record scholastic honors rivaling Duke, Notre Dame, and Stanford.
I’ll close with this:
Dabo Swinney has earned my faith. He has it, and he doesn’t have to earn it again. It’s my turn to show that same faith in him.
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Re: Faith
Nov 13, 2022, 1:13 PM
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When Christ was raised from the grave.
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Orange Blooded [2908]
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Well put. I tend to worry about alot of things, but
Nov 13, 2022, 1:19 PM
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Not Clemson football... I know we are secure in that facet of life. Coach Dabo is in tune with his baby... So much weird stuff going on in this world, then you have regular family stuff.... sickness, job stress, losing parents, brothers and sisters.... I live on my faith in Christ... no other way I can get by
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Orange Blooded [2351]
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College football is not religion
Nov 13, 2022, 1:24 PM
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And our leader isn’t an infallible deity.
“In Dabo we trust” is not to be taken the same as “In God we trust.” Commenting about a football GAME is not sacrilege even if you question a decision the leader made. Doesn’t in any way mean you no longer have faith in the leader. It’s just a GAME, lots of different ways to play GAMES. People can disagree on aspects of it. To me “cultists” are those who can’t keep it in perspective and act as if criticizing people playing and coaching a GAME, is equivalent to questioning drinking the koolaid.
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Re: No cult, just opinions
Nov 13, 2022, 1:34 PM
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Dabo is only human and very capable of having blind spots and making human errors in judgment so I think your blind faith is a little misguided. He is Dabo, not JC...
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Re: No cult, just opinions
Nov 13, 2022, 2:58 PM
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As I stated in my OP, Dabo has earned my faith. It’s not blind.
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Re: No cult, just opinions
Nov 13, 2022, 3:08 PM
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Where did the OP exhibit blind faith? Sounds like you've taken a Sped Reddin' course.
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Agreed
Nov 13, 2022, 1:36 PM
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I can’t imagine going through life without faith and hope. It doesn’t mean I think Dabo is perfect or even agree with every thing he does. It does mean I believe he is the best person to lead this program and then support him (I did not say blindly as those who call us cultists will say) as he goes about doing it.
The folks who call us cultists are not tolerant of any view or opinion that is different than theirs. And what is funny is that is the first accusation that they make when they start the cultist argument. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with my opinion. Just don’t call me names and do allow me the same respect that I am allowed to have my opinion as well.
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Re: Agreed
Nov 13, 2022, 1:42 PM
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No rabid fan should be called a cultist and no fan with a differing opinion should be called a coot. Attack the opinion if you must but leave the personal attacks out of it. One anonymous poster calling another anonymous poster names isn't just childish, it's idiotic.
I get that some people do look at college football as a religion but comparing faith in Dabo to faith in our Lord and Savior is a bit much. But then again, that is just MY opinion and others absolutely have the right to disagree.
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Re: Agreed
Nov 13, 2022, 2:05 PM
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Don’t disagree with anything you have said. I have faith in a lot of things and my faith in Dabo is completely different that my faith in God.
I don’t look at football as a religion. I look at it as a fun diversion from the pressures we face daily.
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Re: Agreed
Nov 13, 2022, 2:15 PM
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If they read it and understand faith they know your weren’t comparing Dabo to God but saying you have faith in Dabo he’s doing his best because he coaches with faith in the man above to walk with him and he has shown his faith in God is striving to grow as he coaches.
His results have been extraordinary because of his determination and faith in God helping him.
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Re: Agreed
Nov 13, 2022, 3:05 PM
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There is a difference between putting your trust in someone and putting your faith in someone. I trust Dabo to do his best knowing that he isn't infallible and can let me down on occasion. I put my faith in the only one who was perfect on this earth from the beginning, knowing He can never let me down.
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Re: Agreed
Nov 13, 2022, 3:11 PM
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Yea I think my comment above was overblown a bit. The cultists thing is a little overplayed. My issue is the extremely intolerant folks talking about Dabo quitting, etc over fan site comments and how that would mean we didn’t love/appreciate him enough. We love Dabo!
But I was invited to become a coot fan for pointing out 1) DJ didn’t see wide open Mafah on 4th and 4 and 2) for questioning where CK was put in during the ND game (which Dabo said himself the next day, presumably validating my fanhood).
Im very supportive and also critical because like I said it’s a GAME and there are lots of ways to play it. Not even Dabo himself is gonna agree with all his decisions in retrospect.
Anyway, I’m All In and have been for a VERY long time.
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Re: Agreed
Nov 13, 2022, 3:16 PM
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Nothing wrong with being a passionate fan and sharing that passion with others. True fans will always want what's best for our team and our university; we just may have some differing viewpoints on how we get there...
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Re: Agreed
Nov 13, 2022, 3:59 PM
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I don’t think the OP was specifically talking about Dabo. IMO the OP was indicating that when winning 10 plus games and some years getting back to the CFP’s and putting the best team possible on the field is no longer enough for fans or if the wave of negativity grows, Dabo may step away.
I think I understand Dabo’s thought process. If 2 NC’s 11 possibly 12 or more consecutive 10 win seasons, and all of the success Dabo has brought to the program does not seem to be enough for the fans. When fans no longer have that excitement, energy and support for the player’s and the coaches and the overall program then Dabo may feel it’s time for him to step away. Dabo seems like a HC who is very protective of his assistant coaches and his players.
I have to agree that since Clemson may have taken a step back, a lot of fans have played the blame game. In many cases getting very personal calling out player’s and coaches. Many some really mean spirited comments about them in public. Every college football program goes through periods of adversity but I have faith in Dabo and his staff that better times are coming.
I believe the OP indicated that when the fan base loses faith in Dabo to win another NC then he may feel he is no longer needed at Clemson. When they start to question his decisions, his coaching ability, the ability of his staff, player evaluation skills, energy and effort he may feel a change in his life is needed and a change at Clemson is needed.
Some of you may disagree with me, but I believe we need Dabo and his staff and the player’s as much or more than they need us.
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Re: Agreed
Nov 13, 2022, 6:05 PM
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100%
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I will be the first to admit I was wrong about many benefits
Nov 13, 2022, 1:39 PM
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are fighting for. Excellent comments by OP. Look what Clemson has accomplished under Dabo’s tenure as the HC at Clemson. We tend to forget we were were and what Clemson had accomplished before Dabo became HC. He has exceeded my expectations and IMO he deserves faith from the fans and faith in where he is leading the program. We have had to deal with a pandemic, NIL, the transfer portal, conference realignment and many other factors that have had an uncontrollable negative affect on Clemson football.
I am watching College Sports Inc on the Bice channel. It has opened my eyes to the corrupt NCAA and ESPN. I will admit I was wrong about NIL. If it’s managed properly it could really benefit the athletes. I am still against the TP in its current state. There need to be changes.
Dabo , Staff and Player’s you have my full support. I am extremely proud of this team’s heart and soul and all of your accomplishments.
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Very Noble
Nov 13, 2022, 3:04 PM
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Critiquing others always makes for a very noble post.
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Re: Very Noble
Nov 13, 2022, 3:08 PM
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Critiquing opinions I can agree with, but I try and leave out the personal attacks.
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Re: Very Noble
Nov 13, 2022, 3:10 PM
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Leftists display their nobility 24/7 by criticizing DJT. It seems to work for them.
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Re: Very Noble
Nov 13, 2022, 3:17 PM
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I guess that's good if you are a leftist...
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Your definitely not a cultist
Nov 13, 2022, 3:30 PM
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But I don't agree with you on Dabo, at least as far as him incapable of making mistakes. Dabo himself will tell you the only thing he has true faith in is his Lord and Savior Jesus. I feel the same way. But I do hope Dabo remains out coach for a long long time. Not only because he won two championships and 7 playoff spots, but also because he represents the program really well. That being said, a huge part of the formula Dabo used to get us to elite status was sacrificing his own money so we could afford to go out and bring in the best coordinators we could get. (Morris and Venables) and they helped build this program which never would have happened without Dabo. When Morris left he made sure Scott and Elliot were well prepared to carry on and they were great promotions. But Dabo's philosophy seems to have changed over the years, probably due to the success of Scott and Elliot. Now Dabo feels the best thing for our program is to do in house promotions and limit outside hires. And it is this I disagree with. I had questions on the Goodwin to DC promotion. But I didn't question the Streeter promotion. I knew that was a bad move. I never had much confidence in Streeter as a QB coach. So how can he be a good OC? I guess time will tell if Dabo or I are correct....but so far I don't see much to say I was wrong. I guess our offense is a little better, but after last year the only direction is up. We still struggle to put 40 points on the board in days of offensive football. But I'm not going to turn on Dabo. I believe he will make a change eventually to better the program. But it doesn't take a lot of time for an elite program to go back to mediocre. Dabo made the Clemson name hot. But it's only going to be hot for so long and we need to do things to keep it hot while it's hot. What I mean is, unlike most years, last year we probably could have gotten almost anyone to come coach at Clemson. In a few years we may not have that option. So last year we should have made out of program hires. At least on offense. Besides...the offense has getting stale the last few years and fresh ideas would help.
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Re: Your definitely not a cultist
Nov 13, 2022, 3:36 PM
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If you have faith in something some folks don’t agree with you are called a cultist. Just the way folks are these days. You keep doing you man it’s all good. Who really cares what people have to say. At the end of the day it really does not matter what others think.
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Re: Your definitely not a cultist
Nov 13, 2022, 6:34 PM
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You could be right. Maybe the latest in-house promotions will not work out. Maybe because we expect positive results in less time we don’t give the changes made a chance to work out. I am not ready to fire a coach over 1 loss.
I posted 3 or 4 years ago that I believed outside forces would affect the success of Dabo his staff and the football program in the future. Uncontrollably force’s.
Well some of those forces are coming into play. One is money and NIL. The other is the TP. 5 years ago I would be willing to bet that Dabo could get almost any recruit he wanted. That has changed because the player’s are looking for $$$ over education, playing time over being well coached being patient while getting better at your position. I believe schools like UGA , Ole Miss, LSU, Tenn, SC and others are negatively recruiting against Clemson. So much so that they have been successful.
Many programs have copied Dabo’s model for running a program and some ACC teams have improved. I also believe that every team on our schedule spends a little extra time preparing for us. So that makes it tuff on Dabo when we have an off week. IMO it hurt us to have 2 weeks before we played ND. Had we played the weekend before I believe we beat ND with the score reversed. Clemson 35 ND 14.
Fans should not get quite so frustrated losing one game. Some of the post I read after losing to ND where very mean spirited and called to many coaches and players out in public. I understand people want to express their frustration and opinions. But I just wish people would not call out players. It’s a team sport. Clemson has be Elite as a program now we are working to get that status back.
I am a life long Tiger Fan a proud Tiger Dad. And I love Clemson very much. I don’t like to lose but I have learned not to let a loss ruin the rest of my day. I am confident that Clemson will be back on top. Just like Bama with 2 loses which almost became 3 yesterday.
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Faith
Nov 13, 2022, 3:36 PM
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As some of you know, as evident by some of the comments, the writer of Hebrews explains the meaning of Faith. And the New Testament will give you many examples. Go Tigers!
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Great post!!!
Nov 13, 2022, 3:51 PM
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Apparently some of those bitter people didn't like this post...
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Re: Great post!!!
Nov 13, 2022, 4:38 PM
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Apparently some of those bitter people didn't like this post...
Perfect example of a cult is your post based on attacking others
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Re: Great post!!!
Nov 13, 2022, 9:25 PM
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Usually means you’re over the target.
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Faith in empirical evidence & rational thinking
Nov 13, 2022, 4:57 PM
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ddraines,
I don't have faith that our scholastic records rival that of Duke, Stanford, and Notre Dame. Could you provide some evidence of your claim.
BTW, evidence that our football program is still on the right track is all that us poor, sad, embittered people are asking for.
A cult is defined as, "a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing."
When some of you guys fail to provide any evidence for your support or refuse to acknowlegde any contrary evidence, then perhaps you behavior borders on the cultish - especially when you resort to personal attacks rather than empirical evidence and rational thinking.
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Re: Faith in empirical evidence & rational thinking
Nov 13, 2022, 10:31 PM
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dd,
I am proud of our athletes graduation rate but does not address the level of academic standards that exist at these universities.
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I'd sure hate for the peanut gallery to miss this thread.
Nov 13, 2022, 5:48 PM
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Blue Sky Dog, any thoughts, big guy?
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It is not cultist, it is support and appreciation.
Nov 13, 2022, 6:01 PM
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There are 3 specific people who attack due to jealousy or simple hatred. It is evident who they are. One posts passive aggressive mean spirited comments that are driven by a basketball supporter envious of the football success. Then two others who identify themselves in their words. Simply read them in the stream.
Sad really. But, they are who they are.
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