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TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 12:18 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11114]
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Oh man. If he starts calling it “misinformation”
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Oct 19, 2021, 12:34 PM
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I’m done.
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Re: Oh man. If he starts calling it “misinformation”
Oct 19, 2021, 1:34 PM
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If your reason for being here is to tell 28, 29, 20 year kids they suck then ok I’m good with that!
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wait...what?***
Oct 19, 2021, 3:17 PM
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 12:34 PM
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No doubt they have lost confidence and this is where the coaches have GOT TO HELP and put them in positions to be successful - this is what coaches are paid huge salaries to do. Now, we have regressed 10 years to the point where we "hope" to be successful instead of where we "EXPECT" to be successful. In the past we and other teams have made a commitment to shut down ALL social media during the season. If ever a team needed to come together and made such a team commitment (and not read what folks like us say) it is this team. Go Tigers
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 12:54 PM
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That was before NIL. Never happen now.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 1:21 PM
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Gosh, regressed 10 years?
No doubt that here in 2021 we have regressed. I share your frustration. But in 2010 (which was Clemson's worst season by far under Dabo), our bounce-back was good (but not Play-Off type good [yes I know that the Play-Off format had not been in place in 2011).
In 2022 ... and I'll go out on a limb here ... we will be back in Play-Off type form. O-Line is sure to be MUCH MUCH better (maturing personnel). WR corp will be much better, also (counting on J.Ross to play another year with us, and Ngata to keep up his pace of improvement, and we'll have 2 [maybe 3] quick slot receivers).
So while it is still possible for 2021 (in the worst of forward-looking circumstances) to approach the misery of the 2010 season, the program overall has not regressed 10 years.
Social Media: I agree with you in that I wish the whole country (which of course includes our football team) would kick that heroin habit, but sadly I doubt it.
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what makes you believe our Oline will be "Much Much better"?
Oct 19, 2021, 1:59 PM
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Is that stemming from an "it can't get much worse mindset"? because our Oline has been a weak spot for YEARS, including our championship years. Maybe not this bad, but we've had an underperforming OLine for a long time.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 3:27 PM
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None of what you've said will help offensive play calling unless, Dabo hires someone experienced with offensive scheming, and play calling abilities!!! Jeff Scott leaving hurt, but with Trevor leaving killed it, and that is bc they will never give DJ the green light with changing plays at the line!!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 3:20 PM
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Hey, how can the outside noise be affecting the way that they're playing, when the offense is playing the very same as they were from game #1 to game #6. Now Dabo is making excuses, and that can't be good. Before Dabo loses it, he needs to put the blame of our offensive lack of success where it belongs, it's the lack of experience with offensive coaching, and he alone created that problem!!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 20, 2021, 8:44 PM
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Couldn't agree more. High School coaches might can say that because they are limited by the quality at athletes that roll though the school. A good HS coach knows how to bring guys along and coach the fundamentals. College coaches can't say what Dabo is trying to get everyone to believe because they have the benefit of recruiting and at Clemson, it should be high level recruits, which puts it on the coaches to know their capabilities and desi8gn plays that take advantage of the strengths and weaknesses. Just like a good coach knows how to make effective halftime adjustments, they should be able to figure out game plans with play schemes that work. a coach should not get away with saying we don't have the talent!! It's his job to utilize what he has good or bad, he has to own up, not accept mediocrity, and make the team a winner!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 12:35 PM
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Then the players should disconnect from the social media. Make a commitment to the team and get focused
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 12:55 PM
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Don’t think that’s possible with NIL deals, don’t know exactly how that works though
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 1:06 PM
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We had some huge personalities on this team -- Nuke, Sammy, Tajh, DW, TL -- who seemed to survive just fine without social media. I don't know who makes these decisions, but, the team was better off in my view when they used to disconnect during the season.
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Disappointed in Dabo not taking responsibility, we are not
Oct 19, 2021, 12:35 PM
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calling the plays, esp. those terrible ones near end of games that results in their getting the ball after we cannot complete a third down, or throw to Ross, who everybody and their cousins know is about to happen and he is surrounded by D backs...
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I had a feeling it was my fault.***
Oct 19, 2021, 12:37 PM
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I knew it was your fault as well.***
Oct 19, 2021, 2:11 PM
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Re: I knew it was your fault as well.***
Oct 19, 2021, 4:02 PM
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Uh, maybe get off Twitter then if its affecting their play that much....***
Oct 19, 2021, 12:38 PM
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 12:55 PM
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So what he’s saying is we have a mentally soft team now? How did that happen…
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Re: I agree with the outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 12:57 PM
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but, it is what it is. No young person is immune from social media today. If it's all good then things roll along just fine but when players and some coaches get butt hurt then you never had on your big boy britches. All the screaming from players about getting paid in some form was all you could hear previously. Guess what, you're in a grownup world now so toughen up buttercup. Here's hoping part of coaching is teaching guys how to adjust whether it's good or bad noise. In a grown up world if you don't do your job consistently what's required from you then people get replaced for a better team player. It's just the way it is. Another equation required is giving your folks ALL the tools to work with to be successful. Now go find out who is all in.
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Re: I agree with the outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 2:00 PM
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I could be wrong, but I don't recall any of our current players screaming about getting NIL money. I do wish the players would disconnect from social media. One thing is for sure if I was a player I would not come to Tigernet for encouragement. Some of our fans that think they know more than our staff is unbelievable. Hard to tell which ones are Clemson fans or Coots pretending to be Clemson fans. It has never been this bad. It is true our offense has struggled mightily, but if we suck so bad how come we only lost to UGA by 6, a pick 6. Their offense scored 3 points. None of the teams in the mighty SEC have come within 17 points of them.
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Re: I agree with the outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 2:43 PM
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I don't see it that way kc. You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't think that everyone should be a sunshine pumper either. Just because some people enjoy discussing the x and o's and the jimmy and joes don't mean they're a coot or a dumper. These are big boys that's been playing sports a lot in their life. I'm sure they've had coaches say a lot worse to them than what they hear on espn or read on Tnet. DJ doesn't need to read tnet to know he drilled a few balls in the dirt. Even his former teacher was quoted saying he looks bad.
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Re: I agree with the outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 2:47 PM
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Two things:
Keeping other teams from scoring has not been the problem for Clemson.
UGA has improved each game on offense even with backup QB.
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Re: I agree with the outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 3:07 PM
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Nothing was mentioned about NIL money except for some form of payment. Fans do not know every single moment what is going on inside a program for sure. But when you see for yourself the results of an offense averaging 14.8 points per game ( S.C. State is not included as this is a glorified scrimmage ) and if you drill down further the offense is averaging 13.4 points per game in all regulation games then something terrible is wrong. If feelings get hurt because of social media then grown men are being coddled not grown for the real world. From all the eye test so far something else is wrong besides opinions being expressed whether good or bad.
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Re: I agree with the outside noise
Oct 20, 2021, 8:49 PM
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Agree! If they are sitting around wining about how bad their feelings are getting hurt because they aren't playing good, they are going to get the crap kicked out of them this weekend!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 2:12 PM
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The "outside noise" is starting to affect them?
Well ####....I'm pretty sure the lack of noise they make is starting to affect the fan base.
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This Tells Me That
Oct 19, 2021, 2:13 PM
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Dabo is having difficulty with the realization that personality/character fit is not the only component of coaching acumen that should be a part of assistant coach hiring.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 2:25 PM
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Run the ball. Run the ball. Run the ball. line up whip the guy in front of you and run the ball. You can do this. So do it.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 2:57 PM
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May be the noise is due to being ranked 113th on offense?
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 3:02 PM
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Part of the noise is coming in the form of screaming at them on the sideline.
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Good Lord, he'd never make a full season as basketball coach
Oct 19, 2021, 3:16 PM
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here if he's this thin-skinned...I thought he was mentally tougher than that
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Or coaching at his alma mater
Oct 19, 2021, 3:27 PM
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Pretty much takes care of that
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Wait, so in addition to blaming the fans, Dabo is also upset
Oct 19, 2021, 3:23 PM
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that reporters are reporting when players transfer out mid-season? Good Lord, how fragile are we?
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now this is precious
Oct 19, 2021, 3:25 PM
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if outside noise causes poor performance maybe one should not be participating.
Soft
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I'd be embarrassed to come out and say some of that stuff,
Oct 19, 2021, 3:31 PM
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I'm sorry we hurt your feelings Dabo
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 4:22 PM
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Strange comments. If I didn't know different, I would think that was a parody. Didn't sound at all like Dabo.
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Any successful endeavor will always find its
Oct 19, 2021, 4:48 PM
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detractors if that success falters.
One needs look no further than corporate America.
I used to tell my son to steel his nerves, grit his teeth, then plow ahead with imagination, ingenuity and fortitude.
I would suggest the same should apply to our team, including the staff.
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I said to all who would listen… harden your soul!***
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 4:49 PM
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"disappointment and outside noise": REALLY!
I thought the remarks about "who we are right now is who we are" was one of the poorest excuse any coach has ever voiced. What's next?
Please Dabo, show me one team anywhere in the top 25 that is not affected by "outside noise".
I don't think you can. In fact ,right now, I don't think you have a freaking clue as to what is
" burdening " the offense.
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Guess they are getting their feelings hurt now??
Oct 19, 2021, 4:50 PM
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Poor victims. They are all set up on a pedestal to begin with, but we should feel sorry for them. Nah. If you dont like what you see or hear, quit looking/listening. SUCK IT UP Karen!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 4:55 PM
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My take on this is that Dabo is just finding out that we fans are a work in progress. I know it is what it is d#mmit, but old people losing confidence and disremembering how to support our team is a sad, sad outcome for all the work ($$$$$) we put in.
We may need a new playback or new blood in IPTAY to guide us down this scary path.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 19, 2021, 5:44 PM
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Hey Dabo, you make almost 10 million a year. Dont give us that crap! Get your staff in order and fix it! This comes off a whiney and as an excuse. You sir raised the bar here, now deal with it!! So sick of the coach speak. He has changed and I'm not sure I like what is becoming.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 20, 2021, 6:03 PM
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Hey Dabo, you make almost 10 million a year. Dont give us that crap! Get your staff in order and fix it! This comes off a whiney and as an excuse. You sir raised the bar here, now deal with it!! So sick of the coach speak. He has changed and I'm not sure I like what is becoming.
That's pretty much it. He did raise the bar and he was not shy in reaping the benefits to the tune of a 10 year deal for 93 million. Huge raises for his coordinators and the staff to the point that they are among the most highly compensated in the entire college landscape. And now with a some key players lost (TL carried an average team a mighty long way - yea, he's generational) all the holes become more glaring - no QB and no OL. So it's a bad year - I'm fine with that. If he makes the necessary changes then we can start to climb back up. Stay the course, hubris, and arrogance has brought down many coaches. Hope that's not the case here. Go Tigers
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Outside noise is starting to affect the
Oct 19, 2021, 10:28 PM
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Offense's play. I love coach and he's the best we've ever had, but that statement is mind boggling. The play of the offense has affected the outside noise, not the other way around.
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Love coach, but this has to be one of the
Oct 19, 2021, 10:36 PM
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Biggest examples of how removed from reality he is regarding this offense.
1. If our players are so soft that articles affect their play, we're in bigger trouble than we think.
2. The whole water and ship deal. I guess that would be clever and cute when 12-0, but just sounds completely idiotic in this situation.
We have an offense that can't move the football and can't score. It's that simple. The offense wasn't prepared for this season. A shame because the defense would have had even a bad offense in contention for turles.
Our offense is 115 out of 130. It is not because of outside noise, or the internet forums, etc. It is because they were poorly prepared for the 2021 season. It's not rocket science.
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Bingo. We came out on O looking like
Oct 20, 2021, 1:25 AM
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We have never run reps in full pads this year.
I guess banning the Oklahoma drill has ruined us. ???????
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 20, 2021, 6:58 AM
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Quit hiding behind the players and essentially blaming them. How else would you explain it? Gee let me think.....
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 20, 2021, 9:29 AM
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If you people don't think Dabo will get this fixed at least before next season then you haven't been paying attention.
Bashing a man that has brought Clemson to the very top of the college football world is really sad. Really, really sad.
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Have to say this is a pretty soft response about
Oct 20, 2021, 6:09 PM
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"outside noise". He and the team are just used top being universally praised (in Clemson) for how the program has been lately.
Now that we are having a disappointing year, it's only natural that the tone won't be as overwhelmingly positive. But bebacsue they are so used to the positivity, this feels like sharper critiuqe than it is.
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Re: Have to say this is a pretty soft response about
Oct 20, 2021, 8:55 PM
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well there is only one way to change it - Go beat the crap out of Pitt !!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 20, 2021, 9:07 PM
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Well Dabo Old Boy, How about you go out there tell them to suck it up and you develop a game plan (offensive scheme), perfect it, and go beat the crap out of Pitt!!
Pretty certain that would cure the pity parties you are having !!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says the offense is "burdened by disappointment" and outside noise
Oct 21, 2021, 6:47 PM
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Okay let me get this straight the offense is in a funk because of social media drawing it down further? However the defense is not affected by social media one way or the other? You can't have it both ways.
And let's be honest the Tigers have had offensive production problems off and on since 2017 when they aren't facing ACC opponents. This year it's all opponents of the power 5 conferences including the ACC. They've gone vanilla play calling and everybody's read that book essentially spelling out that the problem is the coaching and Personnel requiring them to go vanilla. we have seen most all of the offense perform at least to an average standard over the six games.
He continues to go with the failed manttra that DJ is improving but if your measure of improvement is a very low bar that means you're not being a very honest coach with that player. You can bet dollars to doughnuts there's far more players on that offense who had a dressing down and they have had to sit out plays than a certain quarterback.
I've got a feeling that come next spring we're going to see several quality quarterbacks enter the portal because Dabo is unwilling to give anyone else a shot for fear of trampling on the toes of an NIL player. If Brice were still around you'd know for a fact how much Dabo and Elliott are hip tied to DJ.
This year Dabo has no room to give the excuses and they are becoming blatantly clear excuses even to Tiger faithful. Too much $$$, too full of self aggrandizement, too stubborn to see his decisions are part of why his offense is funkier than socks pulled from the cesspool.
He's had years to build consistent talent at most every position, and suddenly it's this hand picked offense that's in a funk? That somehow the puzzle this year got dropped on the floor after camp and is missing half the pieces?
Enough excuses Dabo!
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