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Tried and True
Jul 15, 2021, 8:38 AM
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amirite?
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1414779128700604417?s=20
"Restricting internet access has become a tried-and-true method of stifling dissent by authoritarian regimes around the world, alongside government-supported disinformation campaigns and propaganda." ... sunuvabitch, that sounds familiar
Uniparty:
Half of Americans:
They're ####### laughing at us.
Also - stumbled upon this little gem of good ole' fashioned American espionage^ (circa 2014):
https://apnews.com/article/904a9a6a1bcd46cebfc14bea2ee30fdf US secretly built 'Cuban Twitter' to stir unrest WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. government masterminded the creation of a "Cuban Twitter" — a communications network designed to undermine the communist government in Cuba, built with secret shell companies and financed through foreign banks, The Associated Press has learned.
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I think Twitter and FB censoring was/is wrong....
Jul 15, 2021, 8:57 AM
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and it could come back to bite them in the ####. However, it's not the same thing as the government shutting down access to certain sites. 2 completely different situations IMO.
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Re: I think Twitter and FB censoring was/is wrong....
Jul 15, 2021, 10:16 AM
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Re: I think Twitter and FB censoring was/is wrong....
Jul 15, 2021, 10:37 AM
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it has nothing to do with sides, it has to do with a certain president's actions and behaviors that got him banned from FB and Twitter. If I run into a crowded movie theatre and yell FIRE with the sole intent to cause chaos, there stands a pretty good chance I will not be allowed back into that theatre ever again. People who abuse social media platforms for their own destructive causes are no different.
Private companies can choose who their members are and what is appropriate usage for their platform, they are NOT required to play safe harbor for your first amendment rights any more so than a book publisher is required to print your material if they do not think it will sell. I am not allowed to walk into your home and tell you what the rules of your house are.. In fact when you click "I agree" to their policies when signing up for said social media platforms, all those rules are clearly laid in front of you with an option to print them if you like, before clicking "I agree".
You like rules, correct?
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Re: I think Twitter and FB censoring was/is wrong....
Jul 15, 2021, 11:26 AM
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Re: I think Twitter and FB censoring was/is wrong....
Jul 15, 2021, 5:02 PM
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I have not been keeping track of all of them, did they do or say things to get them banned, like propagate destructive lies, or was it for no apparent reason? Honestly, I do not pay any attention to, nor participate in social media, so I have no dog in this fight.
here is Twitter's term's of service, I imagine they cover their behinds pretty well on this. In principle, I agree with most of you guys about monopolies abusing their power, I would love a great example of when this happened.
https://twitter.com/en/tos
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Re: I don't think only "one side" is allowed to post....
Jul 15, 2021, 11:24 AM
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Well, first, the dems weren't "in power" during the...
Jul 15, 2021, 2:47 PM
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last election. The GOP held the Senate and the WH and most of the state houses.
As I said, I think FB and Twitter made a big mistake by banning Trump. And blocking the Hunter Biden story as very troublesome for me. I wasn't so bothered by the auto fact-check tags, especially in light of all of the BS floating around. At least those tags offered the reader a chance to make up their own mind, and/or do their own fact-finding.
What is the "special exemption" you think they're getting from the Government and was it also in place under GOP rule?
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Re: Well, first, the dems weren't "in power" during the...
Jul 15, 2021, 2:54 PM
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I agree in general...they STARTED acting like a publisher...
Jul 15, 2021, 2:57 PM
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and I think they made a big mistake in doing so.
But that doesn't have anything to do with the "party in power" nor does it mean the government is protecting them. We'll see how it plays out in court.
If I had to bet, I think the end result is that they're going to stop acting like a publisher.
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Sorry but...
Jul 16, 2021, 10:12 AM
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Honestly, Trump should have been banned from Twitter well before his presidency ended, and the fact that he wasn't disproves any Trumpie's argument that they are operating on a biased plane. They were driven by hits and the dollar, not ideology.
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If he was a private citizen, maybe, but not as POTUS...
Jul 16, 2021, 10:53 AM
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as insane as some of his posts were...he was still an elected politician and his posts should be seen and his political speech "protected" (not protected in a legal/constitutional sense).
I'm not questioning the right of twitter to ban him, btw.
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Maybe...
Jul 16, 2021, 12:27 PM
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But he threatened using nukes and curbing Constitutional rights on Twitter, using it to send those despicable messages to arguably billions. That should have been enough to ban him. Others were banned for much less.
Twitter just liked the traffic it created.
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This is false.
Jul 16, 2021, 10:07 AM
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They are not stifling conservative thought. They are stifling ### hattery that's mislabeled as "conservative".
And that's their right to do it.
Tell ya what. Start a discussion on the free market and laissez faire economic policy. See if it gets deleted.
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I agree
Jul 15, 2021, 4:12 PM
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but the underlying theme is pretty clear, right?
The government is leveraging state sponsored corporate media entities, which includes the socials, to silence dissent by proxy. I'd pay good money for someone to prove me wrong.
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Isn't it on you to prove yourself "right"?...
Jul 15, 2021, 4:15 PM
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Are you saying that the Trump admins was leveraging "state sponsored corporate media entities"?
Or did that just start happening on January 20, 2021?
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Lol - I don't really know how to answer this bro
Jul 15, 2021, 4:45 PM
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so like Robert Plant said, I'm gone ramble on...
I'm not sure what this has to do with Trump. The people who select our Uniparty politicians control the narrative through the media conglomerates that they also own.
The state isn't who's sitting in the white house. It's who's shaking this ####### jar.
I'm a pretty economics / financially driven dude. If you ever need to find an answer to anything, follow the money. Follow where the money's coming from in donations, and who's making the most profit. 9,999 times out of a thousand, it's not you or I. And we're not talking a few hundred grand. In today's terms we're talking billions in wealth being redistributed.
What policies implemented by either colored ant have benefited society as a whole? What has the Uniparty done in the past 3 decades where they put the success of the average American citizen at the forefront of their decision making process, and not prioritized the majority shareholders?
Maybe I'm way off base here, but I've been under the impression that we as Americans have had about zero say with respect to how our country is run over the past 3 or 4 decades.
Social media outlets are a mechanism for us pleebs to communicate. Share ideas. Discuss topics. And most recently, sling mud and hate each other. It's pretty proven, and blatantly obvious, that any time a notion of dissent against the Establishment becomes popular, it's getting shut the #### down.
Now - I will say, Trump exploited this. He became who he was because of social media. They will never let that happen again.
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Straight up, dude... Now, who's doing the shaking...?***
Jul 16, 2021, 4:34 AM
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Those are nice words and all, but you really didn't...
Jul 16, 2021, 7:58 AM
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provide anything to back up your assertion that "The government is leveraging state sponsored corporate media entities, which includes the socials, to silence dissent by proxy."
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So you think the Surgeon General's Office....
Jul 16, 2021, 9:48 AM
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bringing posts - which they believe are spreading misinformation about COVID - to the attention of Facebook is somehow proof of your broader assertion. Surely, you basing your assertion on more than that, right?
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ok, so where does this stop?
Jul 16, 2021, 10:09 AM
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Can the EPA tell GA Power to cut electricity to a manufacturer who doesn't comply with an equity quota for their corporate leadership?
Can the IRS target institutions based on religious or political affiliations that may contradict the current party's stance?
- lol...oh wait.
Can the FCC tell AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Xfinity, who the #### ever, to cut data feeds to an organization or entity practicing a religion by which a subset of that religion contradicts the health department?
Can the FDA cut water to farmers for failing to comply with CO2 emissions as part of their feed production for their livestock?
Can the CDC tell landlords they can't evict people from their properties because we're in a pandemic?
- lol...#### mane I dun ###### up again.
Can the SEC penalize investment firms, apply extra fines, and/or mitigate access to markets if those firms are managing money for individuals that stepped outside the approved list of actions set forth by some other ######## ####### government agency?
So finally - can the surgeon ####### general tell me what the #### to say with respect to my opinion of this god #### ########?
The answer to all of these questions should be a resounding #### ####### no, dude. This is the United States of ####### America.
But wait, it's just this one time, right? Just to protect from Covid. Just like the Patriot Act was to battle Islamic terrorism, right? Just like the bailout in '08 was to protect us from financial collapse, right? Just like QE under ole Ben was a one time deal, right?
Give me a ####### break...gahlee man.
So again, cherry pick an incident to fit your stance. I'm cool with that...that's your right bro. This is pretty clearly government over reach, and there is a clear indication that the .gov agencies are working with social media conglomerates to capture data on American citizens at will (this has been known since like 2013...).
And don't take my word for it, talk to this guy:
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You are conflating and equating things that make no sense...
Jul 16, 2021, 11:01 AM
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FB flagging a post with a warning can't be compared to an actual physical action like GPC cutting power to a manufacturer. I honestly stopped after the first 3 "examples" you listed.
You clearly have a passionate stance on this subject. Surely, you have more "proof" than the press conference you posted above. Right?
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simple examples of what government over reach
Jul 16, 2021, 11:14 AM
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could, and already has in some cases, become. Clearly you trust the government and I don't. I'm not going to spend more time convincing you otherwise bro. I ain't your enemy.
You can't prove me wrong, and I can't provide "sufficient proof" to you. Cut bait, disagree and commit to moving forward.
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You didn't provide much of any proof....
Jul 16, 2021, 12:39 PM
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it's no big deal, it's just confusing for someone to seemingly have such a strong opinion about a very specific issue, but no way to really explain the basis for that opinion.
I have a pretty healthy dose of general distrust of government, especially at the federal level...but that can't logically be used as a support for me to claim the federal government is doing whatever evil thing I can dream up.
Also, you asking me to prove you wrong is a pretty basic logical fallacy.
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ay yai yai
Jul 16, 2021, 2:09 PM
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c'mon man - no way to explain the basis for that opinion? I'm not as flexible as you with respect to my mental gymnastics of explaining away what this administration has said just this past week, much less some of the revelations that have been published and discussed since the Snowden leaks.
If we're not aligning on the common knowledge of government collusion with social media entities (which you already agreed that the surgeon general was involved), then we're likely not going to see eye to eye. So let's disagree and commit to move forward.
My one tirade about the alphabet boys was dramatic and ridiculous - I'll concede that - but that's the slippery slope that I'm alluding to.
I also don't understand how you determine where the logical fallacy lies.
My claim: state sponsored corporate media entities
WH Secretary: we're working with social media entities (in an interview)
You: That doesn't count.
Me:
You: didn't read it
Me:
You: logical fallacy
But...if that's how you wanna end it, I'm cool with that. You still haven't proven me wrong though bro  ">">.
You did a good job stringing me along...have a good weekend!
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That's a long "I got nothing" post***
Jul 16, 2021, 2:29 PM
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and by the way
Jul 16, 2021, 10:11 AM
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glad we agree that the government is working w/ social media entities.
let's hold some sweaty ####### palms, spark a J, and sing kum-bai-ya
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The government works with just about any private entity...
Jul 16, 2021, 11:08 AM
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in some fashion or another.
Providing info to FB when they see a post that is mis-leading on medical facts isn't any different than the gov providing guidance for businesses in all kinds of areas IMO.
I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill, unless you can provide a LOT more actual information and not pot-induced speculation
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Flow's point still stands
Jul 16, 2021, 12:28 PM
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If you're going to make the claim, it's on you to show the proof, not demand someone else prove you wrong.
Unicorns exist! Prove me wrong!
See. That doesn't work.
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Brother, I looked for that tweet to share this morning
Jul 15, 2021, 9:02 AM
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and gave up after I couldn't find it.
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WAIT, Social Media can
Jul 15, 2021, 9:10 AM
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influence the masses? Welllll doggie, if that is true and now that we know all the social media companies are run by a bunch of leftists, do you think they had any influence on the 2020 election?
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DING DING DING!***
Jul 15, 2021, 9:54 AM
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I know you're not talking about
Jul 15, 2021, 10:01 AM
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"the most scrutinized election ever in American history"... according to our mush mouth, rotten brained pudding slurping idiot in chief.
"No other election has ever been held under such scrutiny and such high standards."
I love that he came out of his cave to defend the legitimacy of his presidency in Philly earlier this week.
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Was his statement incorrect?***
Jul 15, 2021, 11:01 AM
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the "high standard" part is incorrect***
Jul 15, 2021, 11:23 AM
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How so...the number of recounts alone....
Jul 15, 2021, 2:43 PM
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was pretty abnormal.
Might be a bit of hyperbole for sure, but there sure were a lot of recounts when the vote margin wasn't inside of an automatically triggered recount. I sure don't recall an election like that in my lifetime.
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The recounts are just recounting the votes cast.
Jul 16, 2021, 12:43 PM
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If you have garbage ballots, then no amount of re-counting them will correct the problem.
I take issue with the "high standard" comment because countless election laws and procedures were laxed, not followed, or disregarded during this election.
If the initial election was truly held to a high standard, the scrutiny wouldn't be needed.
I don't expect us to reach any agreement on this... I am way too skeptical of anything the goverment (repub/dem/uniparty) does.
I am fine with extending the voting times and all that - to make it easier to vote.
I am 100% against voting without state ID being provided. That is pure insanity. Each ballot should be a physical piece of paper that is tied to the voter. Saying that blacks aren't smart enough to get ID, or gays are too limp-wristed to sign a paper ballot or poor country people don't know how to use a copy machine are just pure garbage. I literally know two retarded brothers who ride their bikes around Lexington all day. They live in a house with their retarded mama. All three of them have state issued IDs. Disenfranchised my ###.
As far as volunteers going in to nursing homes and "helping them" fill out ballots and other such crap - I don't like it, but I don't know that there's much to be done about it. Even if you make each person show up to a precinct and vote in person, you could still have someone handing out $5 to people...
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So where are all of the "garbage ballots" or proof thereof?***
Jul 16, 2021, 1:20 PM
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I think that's what the current forensic audit is
Jul 16, 2021, 1:53 PM
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investigating.
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Re: WAIT, Social Media can
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Jeez, y'all sound as bad as Hillary in 2016/17. Trump would have won if he could have retained all the true conservative Pubs like me and he would have without all the crazy and then dangerous rhetoric. He was all to willing to share his exact state of mind(typically narcissistic and sociopathic) on Twitter. And what happened to letting companies do whatever the hell they want to do. Just a reminder, he was kicked off AFTER 1/6. The Trump wing is full of contradictions like "my body my choice" when it comes to vaccines. Oh, so you are actually pro-choice then??
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Re: WAIT, Social Media can
Jul 15, 2021, 4:48 PM
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Yeah, I actually agree. There are plenty of takes, what-if this, what-if that...But seems most people agree Trump controlled his own destiny, but continued to shoot himself in the foot. I kept saying just shut the F up, but he didn't.
I'm hoping one of Quoz' theories comes true and some legal "situation" causes Trump to not run in 2024. If it is Trump vs. Kamala, I am 99% sure I will vote for him, but if he wins it will not be pretty.
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Re: WAIT, Social Media can
Jul 15, 2021, 5:01 PM
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I remember yelling at my friends on the phone "he just needs to shut the F up and let the fine liar blonde chick speak for him", but he couldn't. This is not in the nature of a true narcissist. Based on past posts, never thought we would agree on much. This somehow brightens my day. Thanks! Agree, on 2024, let's just hope that a miracle somehow happens and the corporate elites give us two that are not ####### LOSERS. When was the last time we had any real choice of viable options???????????
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HOLE UP...
Jul 15, 2021, 2:52 PM
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when Russian bots were jamming social media with propaganda to help Trump the right was like, "So what, there is no way that influenced the election." But if social media controls inaccurate content, that's a leftist plot that makes elections unfair?
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don't forget
Jul 15, 2021, 4:17 PM
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- 2016 DNC Primary (sup, Bernie)
- 2020 DNC Primary (sup, Bernie)
- 2021 Meme Stock ########
here in the states. I'm sure there's more, but those are pretty obvious. If you really wanna go back in time (kidding) - Ron Paul 2012.
Populism, in any way shape or form, donning whichever color us ants like to put on and scream for our team, is collectively shut down when deemed a threat.
As the original article said, it's a tried a true tactic no matter who uses it.
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Nailed it again...***
Jul 16, 2021, 4:39 AM
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It's a propaganda tactic used by kingdoms since
Jul 16, 2021, 12:24 PM
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the fertile crescent.
If facts do not show what you want them to show then you change the facts to fit what you want.
Then you repeat it enough until people think it's true.
Then when the opposer fact checks, you go after the fact checking.
At the end of the day you have the population unsure of what the facts are at worse.
This Trump faction has become so good at propaganda that they get their population to actively go against the fact checkers.
And why?
Because reality does not conform to what they think.
So now, thanks to intense propaganda, we have a section of our population that puts their whole trust into one person and one set of facts and you literally can not bring enough information to them for them to change their minds.
Because their truth is not rooted in reality and they do not have the mental capacity to change
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I will give you a little bit of credit
Jul 16, 2021, 12:56 PM
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because I know we're on different playing fields with respect to intellectual capabilities and our capacities to understand super complex situations at a high level with an unbiased perspective.
You're only half right, though. You said we have half our country (my deduction - you said section) who puts their whole trust into this one entity (for now it's the orangutan). I won't argue that. I, too, disagree with a lot of what this faction says, does, projects, etc.
But on the other side of the equation, the same level of blind loyalty and trust is displayed by another significant faction in this country to what they feel is an opposite entity.
Why is that? Because 95% of Americans (well, people in general) don't have their truths rooted in reality and don't have the mental capacity to change. They're more interested in confirming what they believe and enjoy hearing. This is why our issues have become exacerbated with the introduction of social media - those serotonin releases and feelings are fueled by algorithms instead of open discussion and human interaction. Now, what happens when the feelings and serotonin releases and be played like guitar strings by those who own their source code?
The fact that you speak so passionately about how kingdoms have leveraged tools of propaganda to control masses, and then completely dial in a faction of this country who is at fault for said propaganda, is a perfect example of how propaganda is working.
I know you're not big on reading, so here's a picture:
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This guy named Plato - super old cat from the days when this island country ruled the world and thought of things like democracy, free trade, geometry, etc. - had this notion that people are more or less slaves, chained to their respective position in this cave. And that they were forced to look at this wall, where shadows were projected from a light behind them. To the prisoner, the shadows are the reality.
There's obviously more to it, but I've exhausted my time here.
The point is, the vast majority of human beings are chained slaves in this cave, down here arguing over these shadows, pointing fingers, and spewing hatred over what amounts to a heaping pile of ####### ########. When the reality is, there is a layer above us displaying the objects to cast the shadows through the light.
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^^^ what this cat said ^^^***
Jul 16, 2021, 1:19 PM
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All-In [31907]
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Hall of Famer [21940]
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alien ##### high bro***
Jul 16, 2021, 2:09 PM
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