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Oculus Spirit [97772]
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Ok. So I binge watched Chernobyl
Jun 3, 2019, 9:21 AM
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I find it hard to believe the nuclear geniuses running that place were really that dumb. I know they wanted to keep it on the DL, but it doesn't take a genius or two days to figure out the worst had happened. Seemed a little too Hollywood to me. Also don't think it was as bad as they depicted. And I'm not sure how they thought a melting reactor core would cause a nuclear explosion that would instantly level the entire country.
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Oculus Spirit [97772]
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I know the state tried to cover it up. That's not my issue.
Jun 3, 2019, 11:39 AM
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My issue is when it happened the GUYS AT THE PLANT refused to believe what they were seeing. I mean sure, you can gaslight the politburo or whatever all you want. BUT the guys there, who saw it happen, who actually LOOKED at it, were like no, it's fine.
And then they took like one test, which we later found out pegged the meter, and they were like ok....this is fine? And they never took another test until much later? You would think the first thing people would be doing would be walking around testing radiation levels. There were no meters around, no protective suits donned, they're just like whatever.
I know it was a coverup, or they tried to, but the first responders were just like whatever. No precautions taken. If a fireman has to go into a dangerous place, they test the air, always. Just standard procedure.
By the way, the three guys who went in the basement on the "suicide" mission and released the water from the tanks, they lived LONG after the disaster, well into the 2000's.
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All-In [38514]
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Seems like that was how the Soviet Union worked.
Jun 3, 2019, 11:57 AM
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Those guys knew they were facing execution. They didn't want to believe it was bad because they hoped that somehow they could cover it up.
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seems you may be missing the point
Jun 3, 2019, 12:14 PM
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They refused to believe the core could have exploded, b/c their "superior" design wouldn't allow it to explode. Therefore, it is impossible. Similar saying in one of the later episodes where they said the stat'es position is that it is impossible for the USSR to create a nuclear situation for the entire European continent. They're ####### Russians.
If this one exploded due to a design flaw (the show is starting to hint at this), then a) the Russian nuclear program is inferior to the Americans, duh, and b) every other reactor in the USSR is at risk for the same event.
Looking back at this event with the lens of today isn't fair at all. This technology was, and still is quite frankly, completely foreign to over 98% of the population. That is even more severe in the USSR at the time of the explosion. (i.e. all the papers being redacted when trying to research) I highly doubt they had the training to understand the physics and science behind the reactor (i.e. having a ####### conductor be your modulator or whatever it's called).
The radiation in the water isn't nearly as bad as it was in comparison to the guys who went and looked at the core explosion. Water is perfect in this scenario, which is why we ('murica) based our designs on using water as the key modulator as it can act as a coolant as well.
I'm not a nuclear physicist, buddies are, but that phenomenon where the sky is ionized and looks like a giant ####### light saber is the real deal, and exposure to that high of radiation will kill you very quickly.
Additionally, the hot core was all over the place which is what got the fire fighters.
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Oculus Spirit [81079]
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Well the cities of Chernobyl and Pripyat have been closed
Jun 3, 2019, 9:35 AM
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since then, immediately affecting about 300,000 people. A geographical stretch the size of Italy was contaminated.
So yeah...it was pretty bad.
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yet its become a tourist destination***
Jun 3, 2019, 1:40 PM
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Oculus Spirit [81079]
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30 minutes at a time***
Jun 3, 2019, 2:04 PM
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I kept saying to myself
Jun 3, 2019, 9:53 AM
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why is no one wearing radiation suits?
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Oculus Spirit [97772]
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Me too.
Jun 3, 2019, 11:40 AM
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You would think they would have those, and maybe more than one radiation meter in a nuclear power plant. Just maybe.
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Radiation suits don't do sh!t
Jun 3, 2019, 12:17 PM
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at that level of exposure. That much radiation would have gone through lead and concrete.
I don't know the calculation, but there is one obviously that quantifies the amount of water/lead/concrete combo based on the radiation exposure and it's at the atomic level.
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hard to get around with a 1 foot thick lead radiation suit***
Jun 3, 2019, 6:59 PM
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Ok, so here's your problem.
Jun 3, 2019, 10:39 AM
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You're trying to put an American viewpoint on a Russian/USSR problem. In 'Murica, if smart people say bad things are going to happen, sometimes the politicians will listen..unless it might look in the latest polling data. In the USSR, only the opinions of the senior Party leadership mattered, and the image of the USSR was everything.
The nuclear geniuses were not that dumb. The nuclear geniuses were the ones telling everyone how bad it was, is, and how it would affect everything in the future. The government is the one that put the lid on everything and tried to deny, deny, deny. The government ran everything over there, and had/has the ability to to shut people up if they needed, which is why the KGB put the lady genius in jail.
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From what I know, it may be exaggerated a bit for TV.
Jun 3, 2019, 11:52 AM
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But seems pretty accurate. They are still cleaning up the site. There was a lot of incompetence, but also an environment of not wanting to admit anything was wrong. And what the operators did do right was wrong due to a fault and/or misunderstanding with the reactor.
It could have been exponentially worse. Many consider the Soviets needing outside help and having to admit to a problem was the beginning of the end for the USSR.
But no doubt entertainment value influenced the ######.
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I was shocked that HBO didnt try to
Jun 3, 2019, 1:40 PM
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rehabilitate the Communists more.
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Oculus Spirit [97772]
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Russia gave us Trump. No way.***
Jun 3, 2019, 1:52 PM
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Oculus Spirit [93712]
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You don't understand science...
Jun 3, 2019, 5:09 PM
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like the people in Hollywood do. lutz
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The show is great.
Jun 3, 2019, 6:31 PM
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I've read that it really nails what the Soviet Union felt like to live in during that era both in terms of production design and from a bureaucracy standpoint.
I know of at least 3 areas where the show took theatrical liberties with the real life events, 1.) The female hero nuclear physicist is made up and is an amalgamation of many that had issues with the political maneuvering going on 2.) The explosion that was going to happen if they didn't drain the water tanks was exaggerated, but still a serious issue. 3.)The helicopter that crashes when it flies over the reactor was later on than the show depicts and it crashed because it hit a crane.
Still, the show is incredibly accurate from everything I've read and regarding how it's all depicted, the creator says he actually used the less dramatic accounts that were "much worse" than what the show depicts.
Speaking of, not sure what could be worse than the story with the fireman's wife who loses her baby (after losing her husband) because it absorbed the radiation that would have killed her. Tragic.
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