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What's there to debate? I mean every other
Jun 23, 2021, 7:24 PM
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Type of TV is better. Can't even play standard HD.
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Re: A debate between two officials over CRT
Jun 23, 2021, 7:31 PM
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Sounds good for the military,, but I don't think it is good for kids.
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Re: A debate between two officials over CRT
Jun 23, 2021, 7:51 PM
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"We do not teach critical race theory. We don't embrace critical race theory, and I think that's a spurious conversation," he said.
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Re: A debate between two officials over CRT
Jun 23, 2021, 7:57 PM
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Zedong, Marx, and Linen seems like a fair comparison. And I think Kendi would be ok with that.
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This is a terrible framing of both the CRT debate and
Jun 23, 2021, 8:48 PM
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this article.
First you are implying that the military leaders are supporters of CRT, which they are not. Second, you are throwing a false narrative out there that we can’t study these sorts of theories anywhere and most of us don’t say that. Much like Communism and Socialism, I am fine with the study of CRT at the university level. We need to understand the mindset that buys into these concepts. I am not fine with it being incorporated more broadly as a driver of central thought in society and certainly believe it belongs nowhere near a K-12 curriculum.
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Cata is a liar***
Jun 23, 2021, 8:50 PM
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Let's see...
Jun 23, 2021, 9:38 PM
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First you are implying that the military leaders are supporters of CRT, which they are not.
Didn't say that in my post.
Second, you are throwing a false narrative out there that we can’t study these sorts of theories anywhere and most of us don’t say that.
And didn't say that in my post.
Much like Communism and Socialism, I am fine with the study of CRT at the university level. We need to understand the mindset that buys into these concepts. I am not fine with it being incorporated more broadly as a driver of central thought in society and certainly believe it belongs nowhere near a K-12 curriculum.
Okay, now we can have a discussion. Why do you feel this way?
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Oh then. My bad. When you said that we had to
Jun 23, 2021, 10:41 PM
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choose our side between the Chairman and a pedophile over CRT, I assumed it was in reference to the debates we had been happening. Withdrawn!
Why do I feel what way? That CRT doesn't belong in K-12 or as a driver of central thought in society? I feel like I've covered my thoughts in other posts. Let me know if you have a specific question on it.
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Re: Oh then. My bad. When you said that we had to
Jun 24, 2021, 3:09 PM
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That CRT doesn't belong in K-12 or as a driver of central thought in society?
But I don't think that's what's being pushed. We're talking about using it to educate students in social studies, and I would imagine on a fairly narrowed, specific curriculum that would be explored in U.S. history classes.
Why shouldn't, say, high school kids be taught this but college kids should?
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No one *should* be taught Critical Race Theory...
Jun 24, 2021, 3:28 PM
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...it is mental poison that is counterproductive to goals of both society and the individual.
I'm just saying I have no problem if someone carves out a niche study of the concepts at the University level and teaches it in their Soc 204 class or whatever. If you want to pay to learn that, and this is what you want to study...okay. I mean, people study fourteenth century central Eastern European farm tools...you can study whatever.
If people weren't pushing for CRT to be incorporated in K-12 schools then why after these speeches by concerned parents and teachers at school board meetings have I not once heard the school board say "Yeah, no...we agree...that's certainly not something that we wish to incorporate into your children's education."?
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And this is where we are at odds
Jun 24, 2021, 3:35 PM
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First, it's not a whole curriculum. It's teaching a theory, same as schools do with any other theory, and it addresses the idea that race is a social construct which, well, it pretty much is. And it explores how intentional and unintentional racial inequality was implemented in the laws and society of American culture upon our creation and up until the civil rights era.
Are you arguing that it wasn't that way? If not, why not teach it? I think that's where we're getting at the problem; y'all are thinking this thing is something that it's not.
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Yep, it would help if opponents would define CRT
Jun 24, 2021, 4:29 PM
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as they understand it. I think there is a clear and purposeful misunderstanding surrounding CRT that is being pushed through certain sites and echo chambers that are resulting in misinformation.
When you have guys like Bannon saying CRT opposition should be the cornerstone to win elections, you pretty much know it's going to be negatively propagandized.
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Re: Yep, it would help if opponents would define CRT
Jun 24, 2021, 5:22 PM
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I've heard the tired old "It is a branch of Marxism," which is an old 1960s fallback claim used against the Civil Rights Era. Funny how pushes for racial equality seem to always get hit with the socialism boogeyman.
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At this point, anytime I hear someone complain...
Jun 24, 2021, 6:40 PM
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by saying something is 'marxism' or 'socialism', I pretty much disregard their opinion as belligerently uninformed/misinformed and try to not engage with them. That's easier said than done on this board, but it's certainly true in real life.
At the most, I might ask them to define what those terms mean and how whatever we are talking about fits those definitions but that's usually as far as I ever want to go.
But in the case of CRT, I would like to understand what they think it is that makes them dislike it so much. It just seems like most of the arguments on here about it are about how bad or good it is without defining what it is or isn't first. But, maybe, I've missed a larger discussion on it where it was discussed in-depth and I'm just way behind in the conversation on this board.
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"What I meant to say was..."
Jun 25, 2021, 12:35 AM
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory critical race theory | Definition, Principles, & Facts Critical race theory, intellectual movement and framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is a socially constructed category that is used to oppress and exploit people of color. Critical race theorists hold that the law and legal institutions in the United States are inherently racist.
critical race theory (CRT), intellectual movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that the law and legal institutions in the United States are inherently racist insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory
CRT emphasizes how racism and disparate racial outcomes can be the result of complex, changing and often subtle social and institutional dynamics,[6] rather than explicit and intentional prejudices by individuals.[6][7] It also views race as a socially constructed identity[6] which serves to oppress non-white people.
And under "Common Themes":
Non-white cultural nationalism/separatism: The exploration of more radical views that argue for separation and reparations as a form of foreign aid (including black nationalism).[35]
https://www.thoughtco.com/critical-race-theory-4685094
CRT originated among legal scholars like Derrick Bell, Kimberlé Crenshaw, and Richard Delgado, who argued that racism and white supremacy were defining elements of the American legal system—and of American society writ large—despite language related to "equal protection." Early proponents argued for a contextual, historicized analysis of the law that would challenge seemingly neutral concepts like meritocracy and objectivity, which, in practice, tend to reinforce white supremacy. The fight against oppression of people of color was a major goal of early critical race theorists; in other words, they sought to change the status quo, not just critique it. Finally, CRT was interdisciplinary, drawing on a wide range of scholarly ideologies, including feminism, Marxism, and postmodernism.
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I don't think you would find a single CRT academic or proponent who would say that CRT "explores how intentional and unintentional racial inequality was implemented in the laws and society of American culture upon our creation and up until the civil rights era." I would imagine, as I have read, that all CRT proponents would argue that American laws are currently inherently racist, as is the country.
I do agree with the notion that race is a social construct. That can be covered in a day in biology class.
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There's a stark difference between studying it and teaching
Jun 24, 2021, 8:35 AM
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it as fact.
Study it as far as how did such dishonest, racist claptrap ever become even moderately popular? What vectors does this mind virus of leftism use to spread its death and destruction? Sure.
Teaching it as though it has value...no.
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CJC is wrong***
Jun 23, 2021, 8:50 PM
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Not really a debate (and in more ways than one).***
Jun 23, 2021, 8:51 PM
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Re: A debate between two officials over CRT
Jun 23, 2021, 9:48 PM
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"White rage":
It's kinda like reports from the Wuhan Lab to the WHO. They supposedly exist, but no one's ever seen them.
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I think he listed those that attacked the Capitol***
Jun 23, 2021, 9:59 PM
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Re: I think he listed those that attacked the Capitol***
Jun 23, 2021, 11:13 PM
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As being representative of 'white rage'??
Pu-leeze. Show me a Martin Luther King or Thurgood Marshall statue they tore down.
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Close enough.
Jun 23, 2021, 11:29 PM
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Re: Close enough.
Jun 24, 2021, 12:01 AM
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For horseshoes and hand grenades, perhaps.
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"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt"***
Jun 24, 2021, 12:55 AM
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Re: A debate between two officials over CRT
Jun 24, 2021, 8:10 AM
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Pathetic leftist article.
Milley equates CRT to theories espoused by Mao Zedong, Karl Marx, and Lenin. That tells you all you need to know.
And, how many times do I have to post the Special Operations Command's aka SOCOM's Diversity and Inclusion plan? If you don't see CRT in this, you need help.
You want to see how the SecDef's radical agenda is being implemented, then read this:
https://www.socom.mil/Documents/Diversity%20Mag%202021%20final.pdf
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Whoa. I thought it was just about teaching slavery
Jun 24, 2021, 8:28 AM
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and Jim Crow.
How would studying CRT race hustlers...er...theorists like Kendi help you understand "white rage?" (LOL)
Oh, it's actually an ahistorical racist screed with no edifying value whatsoever...forgot.
Might as well read Mein Kampf to get a better feel for the machinations of Jews.
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Nobody with a brain actually cares about this stuff
Jun 25, 2021, 12:21 AM
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CRT suddenly became the bogeyman because some Republicans and their Russian allies on the internet decided that it would make a great wedge issue. This isn't the first time they've done this. Stir up the idiotic base with whatever the flavor of the day is (remember common core, ACA death panels, and many, many more false stories?)
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