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Commissioner [942]
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This election will be a referendum on Medicare/Soc. Security
Aug 11, 2012, 12:00 PM
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Medicare might not change for those 55 and older but, it would for everybody else. Those in the 45-54 years old range will be more impacted because they are late in their earning years.
Lowering Social Security COLAs will impact everybody becuase that will also impact those already on social security. Privatizing social security is also something that needs to be debated.
It's a debate we must have. It's a debate we need to have. In my opinion, we can no longer afford generous Medicare and Social Security benefits for our grandparents, parents nor ourselves.
The choice is clear. If you want to overhaul Medicare and Social Security, you vote for the Romney-Ryan ticket. If you don't want to overhaul Medicare and Social Security, you vote for the Obama-Biden ticket.
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All-In [38514]
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I disagree, at least not directly.
Aug 11, 2012, 12:03 PM
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And if it is then Romney/Ryan definitely lose.
But Ryan bolsters the Republicans in the economic debate, primarily those that are truly concerned about the debt.
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Commissioner [942]
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Where do you think most of the debt is at?
Aug 11, 2012, 12:05 PM
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It's in the entitlement programs of Medicare and Social Security.
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The military and a broken tax system.
Aug 11, 2012, 12:32 PM
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You are talking about the crumbs.
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Doesn't matter, these are programs that affect everyone.
Aug 11, 2012, 12:35 PM
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Cuts or changes aren't as popular as you think.
Making the campaign about these programs won't win votes.
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Commissioner [942]
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Look into Ryan's background. The campaign will be about
Aug 11, 2012, 12:54 PM
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these programs, regardless. A politician with Ryan's previous proposals is not going to be on the national stage without those programs being put up for debate.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I totally agree...
Aug 11, 2012, 12:23 PM
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I think Obama will try to make it about those programs. The pubs should try to frame it around concrete, specific plans to reduce the debt.
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Commissioner [942]
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To reduce the debt, you have to cut the programs where the
Aug 11, 2012, 12:57 PM
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debt is at. And that's Medicare and Social Security. Certainly, you don't disagree with that.
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Legend [18092]
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They will frame it around plans to reduce the debt?....
Aug 11, 2012, 1:54 PM
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Without making it about those programs? How exactly?
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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pretty much the way tdrake says...
Aug 11, 2012, 4:18 PM
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It has to be talked about, but the GOP needs to make people focus on debt reduction. They can't approach it from the standpoint of we are reforming those programs.
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Commissioner [942]
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If Romney-Ryan don't define how they will redice the debt,
Aug 11, 2012, 4:50 PM
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the Dems will do that for them. And that ain't good.
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Commissioner [942]
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Uh...........that's "reduce" the debt.***
Aug 11, 2012, 4:54 PM
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Legend [18092]
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So they will just say, "reduce the debt" over and over?
Aug 11, 2012, 5:34 PM
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But won't get into the specific programs that are adding to it? That sounds...pointless. Also, knowing politics today, it sounds about right.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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we're not really in disagreement here...
Aug 11, 2012, 9:10 PM
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First guy says it's a referendum on all those programs.
Tdrake says the pubs won't/can't present it that way.
I agreed with tdrake and added that I think Obama and Co. will try to make it about those things (pubs want to take away your free stuff).
I'm not at all saying it won't be talked about or that it shouldn't be talked about. I'm just saying pubs are going to try to make it about that, rather about making tough decisions (cuts, reforms) to begin chipping away at our debt problem.
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Commissioner [942]
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The people are not stupid. They know, we know that
Aug 11, 2012, 10:29 PM
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the details are what count. Nixon said in 1968 that he had a "secret plan" to end the Viet Nam war. It was years and thousands of deaths later before it ended. The public now demands to know "how are you going to do it?".
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Orange Blooded [3148]
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Never underestimate the stupidity of 51% of Americans***
Aug 12, 2012, 1:16 PM
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Legend [18092]
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It will be discussed...
Aug 11, 2012, 2:29 PM
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It just won't be a referendum on these in particular.
If it becomes what the original poster suggests then it would be a disaster for the GOP. But they will definitely be part of the discussion, but within a broader context.
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Legend [18092]
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depends on what we mean by "referendum"
Aug 11, 2012, 2:36 PM
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If they talk about paying down the debt, they will have to talk about these programs as well as the military. And if they make paying the debt their main focus, those programs become the forefront of the debate. Maybe that's not a referendum, but it will force people to analyze how they feel about those issues.
It will be interesting, because the pubs hate talking about cutting the Military and Medicare, while the dems hate talking about cutting other social programs like welfare, and medicaid. Yet, both military and social programs need to be cut and making the argument for cutting one but not the other just tells us you are a partisan hack.
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Oculus Spirit [83607]
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It ain't gonna be no referendum on anything, not
Aug 11, 2012, 5:54 PM
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on one subject anyway. It may be on SS/Medicare for 25% but it will be a referendum on 10 or 15 things.
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Legend [18092]
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So, pointless other than just saying "reduce the debt"
Aug 11, 2012, 6:28 PM
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Great. Business as usual. Once again it will come down to both sides voting strictly for (R) or (D) with "undecided" voters voting based on which side is able to get them to believe the most lies and voting against the other candidate.
Love our political process.
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Oculus Spirit [83607]
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Or we could consider overhauling spending in other areas
Aug 11, 2012, 12:03 PM
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where we #### money away on a routine basis, and do our best to keep out Senior Citizens, etc, in good shape for many years to come.....just a thought.
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Re: Or we could consider overhauling spending in other areas
Aug 11, 2012, 12:07 PM
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Commissioner [942]
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I agree that Defense needs to be cut too.***
Aug 11, 2012, 12:08 PM
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Commissioner [942]
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Oculus Spirit [83607]
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It should be but it won't be. The dems will want it to be
Aug 11, 2012, 5:27 PM
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about that but GOP wants it be be about Obama.
If it is about that, dems win big.
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Re: This election will be a referendum on Medicare/Soc. Security
Aug 11, 2012, 6:21 PM
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This is a sad and uniformed thought process. If we do not act soon, "Medicare as we know it" will die in 2022. End, finish, be bankrupt! Period the end!
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