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It's interesting Gamecoots had a good bkball program under...
Feb 14, 2022, 9:44 PM
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McGuire but left the ACC. I guess they regret that...
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Re: It's interesting Gamecoots had a good bkball program under...
Feb 14, 2022, 9:50 PM
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He could not win the ACC Tournament and back then only the Tournament winner went to the NCAA Tournament. The last straw and the reason the shot clock came in was NC State beat something like 10-8 after holding the ball the whole game.
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Re: It's interesting Gamecoots had a good bkball program under...
Feb 14, 2022, 9:56 PM
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They won it in 71 and then left. Said didn't like the 800 rule, but did also heard did not like that ACC Tournament Championship rule.
Bobby Cremins said "everyone in ACC forgot about South Carolina."
Yeah they did...
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Re: It's interesting Gamecoots had a good bkball program under...
Feb 14, 2022, 10:23 PM
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Yeah, McGuire could not win the ACC consistently even though sometimes he had the better team. You are right, he disliked the ACC tournament. His team with Riker, Roche, and others were very good. He asked Roche to shoot the final shot and he missed and they lost the tournament. Roche had a shoulder injury and could barely play. Analysis said he should have let someone else shoot because of the injury.
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It was a sprained ankle Roche had, which kept them from
Feb 15, 2022, 12:31 AM
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winning in 1971. In 1972, Usuc did win the tourney in their last ACC game they ever played, but then got knocked out of the NCAA tourney in the first or second round.
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Re: It's interesting Gamecoots had a good bkball program under...
Feb 15, 2022, 5:09 PM
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2000, YOU ARE WRONG! John Roche did NOT have a shoulder injury. It was in Chapter 3 last night of "The tournament"! Roche, got a high ankle sprain the night before when he stepped on the side of a Wake Forest Player's foot. His shoulder was fine, Bobby Cremins said this morning on Packer and Durham that Roche had his ankle numbed and played on the bad ankle. Also Phil Ford NEVER played when South Carolina was in the ACC.
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There was a UNC-State game a few years earlier, which ended
Feb 15, 2022, 12:47 AM
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12-10. But the game where Dean Smith held the ball against State, but still lost 21-20, was around 1965. It was about 10 years later that Phil Ford played for UNC and they popularized the "four corners". But they didn't just stand around and not try to score. Ford dominated the ball and averaged 20 points a game in that offense. They didn't usually play the four corners the entire game, but would often go to it once they got the lead about midway of the second half.
The shot clock actually wasn't put in until the 1985-86 season.
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Feb 15, 2022, 4:57 AM
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I believe that Dean Smith would have lost to Clemson in Chapel Hill during his tenure if the shot clock and 3 point rule had been in place. I also believe NC, NC State, Duke and WF would not have dominated the ACC as much if the coots had not bailed on the conference. Their presence may have given the state of SC schools a little more clout in the ACC.
Clemson has had some really good teams. IMO I believe AD Frank Howard put so much resources into football that he put Clemson’s basketball program so far behind the other ACC schools that we have been trying to catch up for decades.
If you let BB go then the powers in control must make the decision to invest more money into the program and I believe outside changes to LJ should be made so recruit’s stop and take notice.
I am not sure we have the ?????? at Clemson to have both an elite football and basketball program. If you look at Duke and NC’s basketball program they are top teams but their football programs are average. Now looking at Clemson’s basketball program it’s average with a really good year occasionally while the football program has become elite.
I think Brad Brownell gets more blame than he deserves. Being the HC as Clemson’s basketball coach comes with numerous challenges and a lot of criticism, lacks fan support and $$$$$ invested into basketball. Recruiting is very difficult at Clemson when you run clean programs against those who will deal with the Devil to win games. Schools like Auburn, Louisville, Duke , NC ( where they create classes for their athletes) and several other schools have had several scandals. Many schools have coaches with questionable background’s, ethics’s and moral values.
I feel privileged to be a part of the Clemson family. I hope future recruits will feel how awesome the Clemson Family truly is. I hope recruit’s will look past the money and focus on Clemson’s unique Culture when making their decision where to bring their talents and desire for an excellent education and a great college experience.
I love winning but not at any cost or compromises. If I lived much closer to Clemson I would support numerous sports programs by attending a lot of basketball, softball, baseball, soccer and other sports events.
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UNC-UVA ACCT final 1982
Feb 15, 2022, 9:55 AM
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has been mentioned as the game that brought the shot clock into college ball
2 of the best teams in the country.. and the final was 47-45
UVA went into a zone, so UNC held the ball for much of the second half
those ACC games in that earlier era (late 60s-early 70s) had nothing to do with bringing the shot clock, which didn't come into the game until 1985
funny thing is Dean Smith was always in favor of the shot clock, but he was going to use the rules in effect any way possible to help his teams win
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Feb 14, 2022, 11:14 PM
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Them guys were some nasty fighting sob's. My cousins from aiken were on the floor trying to fight when ribock decked lefty with a left hook.
I remember when they went to Duke, the student body during warmups would take plyers and heat pennies with cig lighters and ding the players. Can you imagine if that happened today. The media would go nuts... Shoot, that's when basketball was fun. After the game, you'd get drunk and high then go streaking everywhere.
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Re: It's interesting Gamecoots had a good bkball program under...
Feb 14, 2022, 11:22 PM
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far out man
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Re: It's interesting Gamecoots had a good bkball program under...
Feb 14, 2022, 11:41 PM
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Both McGuire and Dietzel wanted out of the ACC, and their big gripe was the 800 rule. Dietzel couldn't get Freddie Solomon, and McGuire couldn't get Mike Grosso eligible.
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Feb 14, 2022, 11:48 PM
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At the time, Dietzel was more adamant about leaving the ACC
Feb 15, 2022, 12:55 AM
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than McGuire. And hard to believe, but he was even more arrogant than McGuire. He actually believed that, by leaving the ACC and going independent, USuc could become "the Notre Dame of the south"! McGuire was mad as hell at the ACC about the 800 rule, but I don't think he really wanted to be an independent in basketball
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Re: At the time, Dietzel was more adamant about leaving the ACC
Feb 15, 2022, 5:42 AM
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That has really worked out well for the coots ?????? represents our 3 NC’s ?????????????? and our 7 consecutive wins in football.
50 years later the coots still are in search mode and are confused as to how Clemson went by them at the speed of light. ?? coot fan ask themselves where did they go ??????!
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Feb 15, 2022, 5:12 AM
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They got their wish just for the sake of 2 players and a conference that did focus on higher education. And they have now become a women’s athletic university.It’s possible they may have had more success in the ACC.
No offense to SC alumni or current students but if you can’t get accepted into the SC campus in Columbia, SC for a 4 year degree then you should stay an extra year in HS and hit the books. Getting into Clemson is quite an accomplishment. Congrats to the future 2022 students accepted into the best University in the country. Don’t waste your opportunity to receive a great education while building a network for future employment opportunities.
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Feb 15, 2022, 1:12 AM
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South Carolina was more than the SEC could have hoped for in a member! They all been feasting on wins verses the coots every since...
Their an easy win & threaten no one for the SEC ????
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Feb 15, 2022, 3:15 AM
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When SC fired McGuire, they refused to pay the remainder of his contract. His attorney started the legal action process, and they paid up then. It was shameful how they treated the man who had done more for their athletic program than anybody ever.
I was never a McGuire fan, but I felt bad about his situation.
I think this incident happened in 1978. SC came to play the football game in Clemson, and McGuire wanted to come to the game, but the SC people were not going to bring him. Coach Howard heard about it and arranged for a Clemson plane to fly down and pick up McGuire.
McGuire sat with Coach Howard during the game, and the Clemson plane flew him back to Cola after it ended. That was a classy thing that Coach Howard and the Clemson administration did.
There is a wide spread between high class and low class.
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Feb 15, 2022, 5:27 AM
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One wonders how they feel as the school who
is use to bringing up the rear of the SEC. And they take pride in shouting out SEC SEC SEC ! But you rarely hear them there coots shout out Go Gamecocks. ?? That’s about all the got out of bolting from the ACC and a ACC title.
Let’s make it 8 consecutive wins this year in football. I believe we can actually get into double figures!
Hats off and prayers for all former Clemson Tigers. Joe 21, Ron and so many others who are no longer with us. Sorry I could remember more names.
Go Tigers!
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Re: It's interesting Gamecoots had a good bkball program under...
Feb 15, 2022, 5:34 AM
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Some great reads in these posts. Keep it coming and much thanks!
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Feb 15, 2022, 7:33 AM
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SC played their basketball games in the old field house behind Longstreet Theater, on Sumter Street. Held about 3,000. McGuire wanted a new venue. SC wouldn’t build at that time. What a coincidence, it just happen to burn down one night shortly after the season. I think General Sherman’ ghost was responsible.
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