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Clemson Conqueror [11440]
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Example where Im unhappy with Trump - Columbia Univ / free Palestine guy Khalil
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Mar 10, 2025, 9:04 PM
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I am unhappy that Trump’s DoJ (which means Trump) has threatened deportation for Mahmoud Khalis, he being a principal organizer of anti-Jewish protests on the Columbia University campus throughout the 4th Qtr of 2024 and continuing on through a lot of 2024.
I can see why Mr. Khalil would (should) have been punished by Columbia University. Disrupting the academic environment and directing protests that were intended to create intense emotional distress among Jewish students were dispecable acts. He should have been kicked out of school.
Maybe there are grounds for some legal action to be taken against him; students (including, but not limited to Jewish students) whose ability to ‘optimize’ their college experience (I.e., to make good grades) was impaired by the ‘Free Palestine’ protests at on campus locations that were not approved by University administrators might have grounds for a civil lawsuit against Mr. Khalil.
Maybe a misdemeanor charge could be brought against him.
But deportation (for a Green Card holder, no less) who was exercising freedom of speech rights, even if in a very unseemly way, is not IMO consistent with the First Amendment.
IMO, this is a wrong move by Trump.
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National Champion [7628]
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Re: Example where Im unhappy with Trump - Columbia Univ / free Palestine guy Khalil
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Mar 10, 2025, 9:19 PM
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If he were being deported for merely protesting I'd agree but the assertion is that he's been a ringleader of grpups that have gone far beyond mere protests. If you're gonna come here on a student visa and then spend your days terrorizing Israeli students, assaulting school employees and taking over school buildings as part of a pro HAMAS terrorist movement, then you need to be sent back to wherever you came from. This seems pretty self evident to me.
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Clemson Conqueror [11440]
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Re: Example where Im unhappy with Trump - Columbia Univ / free Palestine guy Khalil
Mar 10, 2025, 9:26 PM
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He’s got a Green Card. If he were just here on a student visa, then I’d agree with you and bid him sayonara.
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Re: Example where Im unhappy with Trump - Columbia Univ / free Palestine guy Khalil
Mar 10, 2025, 9:35 PM
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People with Green Cards get deported. I am not sure if his charges are enough though.
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Paw Master [16610]
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Im not clear on a green card vs student visa. Clearly this is
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Mar 10, 2025, 9:40 PM
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a tricky thing given the freedom of speech implications.
Interestingly, I found this information (this is the only source I checked so please feel free to correct if it is wrong):
https://www.rebeccablacklaw.com/how-a-green-card-can-be-revoked/
Here it is claimed in a list of reasons a Green Card can be revoked:
“Crimes Involving Moral Turpitude (CIMT): These are crimes that indicate a breach of societal standards, such as fraud, theft, or assault. While a single CIMT might not be enough for revocation, multiple offenses or one committed within five years of obtaining a green card can be problematic.“
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“Membership in Terrorist Organizations: Being part of or assisting a terrorist group can lead to immediate revocation and deportation.“
Hamas is defined by the US Government as a terrorist organization so I hardly think it’s a stretch to say that disruptive protests in favor of Hamas support terrorists. This would be different from peaceful protests for Palestinians, I would guess. But if Jewish students are intimidated or people’s education is disrupted, I can see the “CIMT” issue being raised.
Bottom line, there ARE limits to free speech, such as yelling fire in a crowded theater. Guests in this country who coordinate disruptive, intimidating protests in our country in support of terrorist organizations are not going to get a lot of sympathy.
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Associate AD [1086]
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Re: Im not clear on a green card vs student visa. Clearly this is
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Mar 11, 2025, 6:08 AM
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The green card is permanent residency. They have all rights (including gun ownership), except voting and holding a clearance. They register with selective service. Visas are temporary. It’s really exceptional to take away permanent resident status. They can’t do it just because Orange Jesus says so, even if he thinks they can.
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Paw Master [16610]
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Yes, but just as I linked, Green Cards are not citizenship and there are
Mar 11, 2025, 11:08 AM
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situations where a Green Card can be revoked. Two listed on that link could arguably be applied here...supporting a terrorist organization (it is not up for dispute that the US government considers Hamas a terrorist organization...I don't know what these protests looked like) and behavior that interferes with society. If this person is actively pariticpating in, or organizing, protests that intimidate people or inhibit their ability to attend their classes, I can certainly see that argument.
Look...if they are standing across the street from a classroom chanting "We support Palestinians!" and he's rounding them up and shipping them home...that's a clear violation of our collective Freedoms. But if they are causing fear and disrupting the lives of others in support of a terrorist organization...meh...I'm not going to cry if they get shipped back to their home country.
Plenty of room for disagreement and discussion here. I don't think I'm 100% right or you're 100% wrong. I just think that there appear to be some clear parameters that a Green Card doesn't protect you for, and I can certainly see an argument that this person crossed those lines.
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Associate AD [1086]
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Re: Yes, but just as I linked, Green Cards are not citizenship and there are
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Mar 11, 2025, 6:59 PM
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Nobody was protesting in support of Hamas, as much as Orange Jesus wants people to believe that. The protests were against the collective punishment of the Canaanite/Palestinian people for the actions of terrorists. Hamas' murder of 1200 Israelis was a terrorist action and a war crime. Israel's response by killing maybe 10,000 Hamas fighters was a proper response. It's the indiscriminate killing of another 38,000 innocents in Gaza while ethnically cleansing the West Bank that are both mass war crimes. Add in the restrictions on food, water, medical care, and the killing of journalists, medical workers and other noncombatants and there is a lot to protest honorably. Most of you have no idea what goes on in the West Bank whenever Likud is in power.
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Paw Master [16610]
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Eh. The point here is not to debate the morals of the Israel/Palestine war.
Mar 11, 2025, 8:52 PM
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I’m only talking about the deportation. Respectfully, you cannot claim that “no one” is protesting in support of Hamas. There’s too many instances where Hamas symbols are present during a protest. Whether or not this individual is, I don’t know. My point is that I am not objecting to the U.S. government kicking out a non-citizen who breaks either of those two pre-described issues during a protest (interferes with or intimidates other people, claims support for a terrorist org).
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Associate AD [1086]
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Re: Eh. The point here is not to debate the morals of the Israel/Palestine war.
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Mar 11, 2025, 11:51 PM
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I was wrong about the symbols and pro Hamas support from some, but the reason they drew so many people was the ongoing atrocities. But this is Trump and his DHS, so I expect lies. If they have real evidence and witnesses, present them in court. His press secretary showing images of purported flyers is as likely to be real as Bush’s cartoons of mobile biological labs in Iraq. It could all be true, but we are dealing with the King of Lies here.
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Clemson Icon [24765]
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Associate AD [1086]
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Re: Example where Im unhappy with Trump - Columbia Univ / free Palestine guy Khalil
Mar 11, 2025, 2:32 AM
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He hasn’t been charged with a crime. Jewish organizations are defending him.
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Associate AD [1086]
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Game Changer [1917]
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Re: Example where Im unhappy with Trump - Columbia Univ / free Palestine guy Khalil
Mar 10, 2025, 11:01 PM
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This is a blatant end run around the 1st amendment. What next we deport non Christians or anyone that says anything dumb donald don’t like.
Green card holders are entitles to protections from the govt like any of us. See attachment
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Re: Example where Im unhappy with Trump - Columbia Univ / free Palestine guy Khalil
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Mar 11, 2025, 2:36 AM
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It’s blatant unlawful detention. Straight from Hitlers playbook.
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Like the people that wanted to go surfing during
Mar 11, 2025, 8:03 AM
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COVID. Or the people refusing to wear a mask at the airport.
You are the same person that championed deplatforming for people that refused the Covid narrative.
Hitler-esque were the lockdowns and shutdowns of business and government “for your own good”.
This guy has promoted hate speech on behalf of a terrorist organization and kids don’t feel safe at school due to his actions.
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National Champion [7628]
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Re: Like the people that wanted to go surfing during
Mar 11, 2025, 8:16 AM
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Don't forget the majority of Dems favored denying health care to anyone who was unvaccinated. They also favored sending the unvacced to concentration camps. Yet when we remove a terrorist loving non citizen they suddenly wanna talk about nazis. They are trash.
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Game Changer [1905]
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Neither of those were mainstream Democrats
Mar 11, 2025, 8:18 AM
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positions. There is plenty to criticize Dems for, but lying about what their positions are makes you look like a moron.
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Associate AD [1086]
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108101]
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Of all the things this is proverbial straw?
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Mar 11, 2025, 7:52 AM
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To each his own I guess. Trump is removing words from all federal websites. Woke catch phrase words are banned and even more general words, like inclusive or diversity. Banned in letters, memos, correspondence, and websites. As are pronouns. And anti Israeli protests as well. He's choosing to prosecute that under hate speech antisemitism laws. He is a right leaning version of the leftists we had, only more authoritarian.
If you think Trump is for free speech think again. He will promote conservative speech and ban liberal speech just as his predecessors did only in reverse. Only Trump will do it publicly.
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Game Changer [1905]
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Trump fulfilling his campaign promise to lock up
Mar 11, 2025, 7:55 AM
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anyone who dissents. Promises made, promises kept. Ya for no more free speech!
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Glad you agree
Mar 11, 2025, 8:21 AM
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It's a complete overstep and free speech violation. And it's not going to stop there. Trump has never been a champion of the First Amendment and will start extending these abuses to more protestors... and then the media... and then ordinary people like us.
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Something to watch is if Google starts censoring Youtubers
Mar 11, 2025, 5:21 PM
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it is about the last bastion of free speech. IF this happens, we are cooked.
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National Champion [7763]
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There is some argument about Constitutional rights and non-citizens.
Mar 11, 2025, 10:22 AM
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Green card holders are permanent residents, but not Citizens. You can make the case that when we invite you to stay here, if you start causing problems, we can send you back where you came from. It's not cut and dry if the first amendment protection applies to non-citizens.
This explains it a little bit better.
https://www.freedomforum.org/non-citizens-protected-first-amendment/
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Paw Master [16610]
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To me, it's not about First Amendment rights. He should be able to protest.
Mar 11, 2025, 11:11 AM
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But if he participates in or coordinates a protest that intimidates others or interferes with their ability to get an education, that's different. I have very little sympathy for him. If he did so in support of a terrorist organization, even less sympathy.
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The Bill of Rights applies to all people standing on our soil
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Mar 11, 2025, 11:12 AM
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Citizens, non citizens, immigrants, etc., so long as they are not convicted of crimes. The Constitution's language carefully describes what rights apply to people and what applies to citizens.
We don't throw out legal protections for non-citizens or lock them up indefinitely or throw out the 8th amendment and such. They can't vote or run for office, but the Constitution states clearly what rights are meant for all people in the spirit of the founding fathers' intentions.
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Re: Example where Im unhappy with Trump - Columbia Univ / free Palestine guy Khalil
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Mar 11, 2025, 12:29 PM
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I have no sympathy for him, but if he legally shouldn't be deported, than he should be able to stay. I will be happy if he is deported, but legally that may not be just.
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I'm going to withhold an opinion until I see what the gov....
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Mar 11, 2025, 12:58 PM
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Produces as evidence in court tomorrow.
If there is support and/or coordination with Hamas or another terrorist group then I think the State Dept action is warranted. If no direct tie to a terrorist group or no other egregious crime then it will be an over-reach.
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Re: I'm going to withhold an opinion until I see what the gov....
Mar 11, 2025, 5:04 PM
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good point and I agree.
As far as I've read on this, he organized pro Palestinian protests and against the genocidal actions of Nutanyahoo... even though many including on here that and immediately (falsely)label pro Hamas
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Re: I'm going to withhold an opinion until I see what the gov....
Mar 11, 2025, 5:11 PM
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His group was passing out pro terrorist flyers.
That protest featured violent propaganda flyers that purportedly came directly from the “Hamas Media Office,” including one pamphlet titled “Our Narrative … Operation Al-Aqsa Flood,” which justified the Oct. 7, 2023, attack on Israel that killed 1,200 people — and in which women were repeatedly raped, whole families executed and 251 hostages taken to the Gaza Strip.
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Re: I'm going to withhold an opinion until I see what the gov....
Mar 11, 2025, 7:08 PM
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You should check your source and re-read it.
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Re: I'm going to withhold an opinion until I see what the gov....
Mar 11, 2025, 11:16 PM
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New York Post
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Re: I'm going to withhold an opinion until I see what the gov....
Mar 11, 2025, 7:18 PM
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More liberal Jewish groups are against the unlawful detention. Likudniks are for it, obviously, but they are moving closer and closer to a dictatorship in Israel also. Netanyahu's Likud is not at all like Begin's, outside of the goal of annexing all of the occupied territories. Begin's Likud would never try to take power from the courts, but then Begin was nowhere as corrupt as Bibi. I forget if Britain ever canceled his arrest warrant, but that was for terrorism and not bribery.
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Re: I'm going to withhold an opinion until I see what the gov....
Mar 11, 2025, 11:17 PM
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I will be cool with him being booted, but legally that might not happen.
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Dynasty Maker [3236]
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If the First Amendment actually mattered to you, then you'd hate Trump...
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Mar 11, 2025, 10:16 PM
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He's doing the usual authoritarian attacks on speech and the press. It's part of the playbook, and you were warned long before the 2024 election.
The good news is that we're gonna get Canada for a 51st State, and invade Greenland, with the help of Russia.
MAGA!!!!
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