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All-In [26968]
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The interesting thing is that conservatives are so up in arm
Jun 26, 2015, 11:19 AM
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They do realize that this is the same body that, a few decades ago, decided that women have the right to slaughter their children if they didn't want them?
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Re: The interesting thing is that conservatives are so up in arm
Jun 26, 2015, 11:21 AM
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So you are saying that someone else should decide what a women get's to do with their body? They aren't "slaughtering children" btw, they are fetuses.
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Women can do whatever they want with their body...
Jun 26, 2015, 11:23 AM
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Up to and including killing the child contained within, apparently. No one cares about the rights the child has over his/her body.
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Re: Women can do whatever they want with their body...
Jun 26, 2015, 11:25 AM
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A fetus is not a child.
As a Christian, do you believe that fetus has a soul?
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Without a shadow of a doubt!
Jun 26, 2015, 11:29 AM
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Psalm 139
13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
Jeremiah 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
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Re: Without a shadow of a doubt!
Jun 26, 2015, 11:32 AM
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Soooo glad that's your answer AND that you backed it up with your majic book.
So since you believe that and everything else that comes in that book....shouldn't we just abort all fetuses?
Then they'd just go straight to heaven. We'd be doing them a favor. Instead of having to battle this "awful" world and risk spending eternity in hell. Seems like the Christian thing to do.
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Re: Women can do whatever they want with their body...
Jun 26, 2015, 11:27 AM
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> No one cares about the rights the child has over his/her body
Sort of like how pro-lifers seem to care a lot about the child when it's in the womb but won't give it a second thought when it's out!?
How dare you abort a fetus that you can't take care of! You should have that child and then we'll ##### at you when you go on welfare to support it!
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So if I have a two-year old, and lose my job...the best
Jun 26, 2015, 11:30 AM
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Thing to do is probably suck his brains out, right, so I won't have to worry about feeding him?
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Re: So if I have a two-year old, and lose my job...the best
Jun 26, 2015, 11:35 AM
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Yes Prodical, that's exactly what i said.....
Please try to keep up.
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Re: At what point does a fetus become a child?
Jun 26, 2015, 11:34 AM
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That is a good question but it borders on philosophy. That's like asking, at what exact age does a person become old? It's very easy to tell the difference between a child and an elderly person but there is a huge span in between where that become murky.
So to is it easy to discern a fetus from a fully grown child. That is why they have limits where you can and can't abort them.
And btw, since we are on the subject. I'm not "pro abortion" I'm pro-choice. I don't like abortion, it's a horrible ordeal for everyone involved. But to say that YOU or I should have that say over a woman's body is ludicrous.
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Yeah, it's kinda murky, but it's OK...
Jun 26, 2015, 11:35 AM
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It's not like we're dealing with something really important. So a little gray area never hurts anyone.
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Re: Yeah, it's kinda murky, but it's OK...
Jun 26, 2015, 11:37 AM
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It's amazing that life isn't clear cut and black and white all the time. It's almost as if we need to give these things great consideration and not gloss over them with religious dogma.
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Yeah, weighing the pros and cons
Jun 26, 2015, 11:38 AM
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of killing your child is recommended, in my book.
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Re: Yeah, weighing the pros and cons
Jun 26, 2015, 11:39 AM
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again fetus != child.
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Re: Yeah, weighing the pros and cons
Jun 26, 2015, 11:40 AM
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If you believe like you believed...you would want to kill them. That way you would risk them spending eternity in hell.
Or you could at least enjoy their company until the "age of reason". Then knock em off.
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Agree with everything you said except one thing...
Jun 26, 2015, 11:45 AM
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I am pro-choice, but I accept that regardless of the age of the fetus, you are killing a human life.
Pro-choicers should at least be able to admit that and stop hiding behind the "It's a fetus" ruse.
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Re: Agree with everything you said except one thing...
Jun 26, 2015, 11:49 AM
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>I am pro-choice, but I accept that regardless of the age of the fetus, you are killing a human life.
> Pro-choicers should at least be able to admit that and stop hiding behind the "It's a fetus" ruse.
I mean.. maybe? I don't know the answer to that question definitively. I just don't think it's my choice to make.
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Re: At what point does a fetus become a child?
Jun 26, 2015, 12:15 PM
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According to scripture, before the foundation of the world. I'm not arguing, just bearing witness so take it for what it's worth to you.
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Re: The interesting thing is that conservatives are so up in arm
Jun 26, 2015, 11:21 AM
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Slaughter huh? Like God does to his children often in the Bible?
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God judges wickedness, often with death.
Jun 26, 2015, 11:25 AM
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Always has, always will.
God also loves with an unfathomable love, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But for those that reject Him, they are risking that judgment.
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Re: God judges wickedness, often with death.
Jun 26, 2015, 11:28 AM
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Whew glad that's not my God. Sounds awful.
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I wish your mom had slaughtered you.***
Jun 26, 2015, 11:30 AM
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Re: I wish your mom had slaughtered you.***
Jun 26, 2015, 11:32 AM
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Does a fetus not have less value than a living, breathing
Jun 26, 2015, 11:33 AM
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human? Answer honestly.
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Absolutely
Jun 26, 2015, 11:36 AM
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not. A "fetus" is a child that has not been born yet.
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OK. So when is the last funeral you attended for a fetus?
Jun 26, 2015, 11:40 AM
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When is the last time you gave more than a passing thought to somebody who had a miscarriage? "Huh, that's a bummer. Guess they'll try again. What do I want for lunch today?"
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I have attended funerals for unborn children who died.
Jun 26, 2015, 11:42 AM
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And you are completely wrong about my attitude about someone having a miscarriage.
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Oh? So it's as serious to you as if that woman's brother or
Jun 26, 2015, 11:46 AM
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12 year old daughter had died? That's fascinating--I believe you are probably in a minority, but kudos to you, I guess.
Since we're playing hypotheticals, what if an egg is fertilized, and then dies on its own a few days later. If we don't know about it, is it still tragic? What if there was such thing as a pill that prevented a fertilized egg from implanting into the uterine wall, thus preventing pregnancy? Is that as earth-shattering as my mom dying?
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I recognize that I am not just in a minority, but a
Jun 26, 2015, 11:47 AM
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rather extreme minority on this issue.
You can come up with any hypotheticals, as outlandish as you want to get, but my position is the same. So just check yes by all of them.
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Gotcha. I appreciate the honesty and consistency.***
Jun 26, 2015, 11:49 AM
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That's Prod's superpower.
Jun 26, 2015, 2:04 PM
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He could be the most logical person in all of Tnet. He goes where the premises lead him, and he never flinches.
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I dunno. Probably largely depends on the mother, but at 8
Jun 26, 2015, 12:02 PM
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months, it's pretty clear that she wants and is planning to deliver said child, so it would likely be manslaughter at the least, and probably outright homicide. I'm not a proponent of late-term abortions, if that's what you're asking. A more interesting question would be "what if somebody punched a 6-week pregnant woman in the stomach and caused a miscarriage?"
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Good point. Six weeks, then.***
Jun 26, 2015, 12:05 PM
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Isn't the a patent attorney among us that can answer this?***
Jun 26, 2015, 12:36 PM
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Right nerxt to my great-grandfather's grave, between
Jun 26, 2015, 1:53 PM
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he and his wife, is a tombstone for a baby that was lost. I wasn't around for the funeral in 1911, but yeah. He was named the same name as my grandfather on his tombstone. My grandfather was the next living child born.
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the activist Court likes to take political decisions away
Jun 26, 2015, 11:39 AM
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from the people.
There was no reason for the Court to step into Marriage or Abortion. The states would eventually work it out.
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Re: the activist Court likes to take political decisions away
Jun 26, 2015, 11:40 AM
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We should have let the states figure out slavery too, no real need for the court to step in on social issues.
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Agreed. the Court's Dred Scott decision was terrible***
Jun 26, 2015, 11:49 AM
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Re: Agreed. the Court's Dred Scott decision was terrible***
Jun 26, 2015, 3:33 PM
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LOL, we would have abolished slavery on our own terms right after we addressed that flag issue.
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Apples and Oranges comparison.
Jun 26, 2015, 11:48 AM
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Today's decision allows rights to some while not damaging the rights of others. Roe v Wade allows a right to some that does cause harm to others. I don't believe there is any comparison between the two.
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Oculus Spirit [94328]
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That's not completely accurate.
Jun 26, 2015, 12:14 PM
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Women in this country can slaughter an unborn child without having or giving reason.
The only difference between now and the day of Moses was that the Pharoah murdered after birth up to two years old. I'm sure they checked birth certificate to assure there were no mistakes.
During the days of Chirst's birth they didn't check but they had reasons.
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