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NIL Decommits
Dec 13, 2021, 8:39 AM
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TI reporting in its Monday Insider that NIL played significant role in the decommits of IMG players. I will obviously not disclose specifics from their article, but lets just say a school you might can imagine went in and made that a focal point.
As many of you are posting NIL is not starting out well for Clemson. Many of us feared this and I even had a talk with DRAD about it and he agreed without guardrails NIL was troublesome for Clemson. (small town, small alumni base, no mega donors like Texas, etc). Well there are no guardrails but my hope is that more schools will be hurt than helped by this and rules will have to be put in place. From any alumni numbers, wealthy boosters standpoint a few will really standout; Texas, Texas AM, Ohio State, etc. Even Georgia in a State of 10 million people with GA Tech not much of a factor will shine. This hurts the Clemson, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Auburn and yes maybe even Bama post Saban in States with smaller populations, smaller alumni numbers and where booster money is split, etc.
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that's just the start.....it will get worse
Dec 13, 2021, 8:46 AM
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I was thinking the NIL would take 3-5 years to truly have a negative effect on Clemson...........I missed that prediction by 3-5 years.
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Clemson grads have money.. they just are not willing
Dec 13, 2021, 8:48 AM
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to spend 6-7 figures on football players.
Ole miss and Bama grads do not care.. it is all about football and they will burn through their 401Ks to make sure their programs get whoever they can.
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Re: Clemson grads have money.. they just are not willing
Dec 13, 2021, 8:58 AM
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Alabama's main NIL are 2 companies right now. Rosenhaus Sports (Drew Rosenhaus) and Roc Nation (Jay Z).
It's not so much graduates as super wealthy taking up a new hobby.
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Jay Z runs a talent agency company doesn't he?***
Dec 13, 2021, 9:24 AM
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Re: Jay Z runs a talent agency company doesn't he?***
Dec 13, 2021, 9:26 AM
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Yep. NBA, NFL, MLB. And a record label which I'm sure a lot of recruits like.
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seems liek a good backdoor way to "acquire"
Dec 13, 2021, 9:32 AM
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some new talent once they leave school.
You repped my clothes and delt with Bobbie!!! Well guess what.. BOBBIE also works as a sports agent and can rep you when you go pro. What a coincidence
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Even easier
Dec 13, 2021, 2:25 PM
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The other NIL deal is from an actual football agent. Laughable.
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Re: NIL Decommits
Dec 13, 2021, 8:49 AM
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The school you are talking about has 2 guys throwing money at their athletes and they are worth 1.5 billion combined.
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Re: NIL Decommits
Dec 13, 2021, 8:54 AM
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Good luck putting that horse back in the barn.
However, I don’t think it will be as bleak as you and others fear. Yes, their is a mass over correction right now due to NIL, but ultimately, playing time and opportunity will win out. Take Ohio State and Quinn Ewers for example. Ohio st had more than enough money to keep him. Sure he went to Texas, likely for the NIL money, but also because Texas has who to compete with him?
It’s going to be very hard for any school to stick pile the premium positions that see little rotation.
The only way to truly fix it now, would be to cut scholarship limits roster sizes, which isn’t going to happen.
Any changes to NIL will be taken to court and tossed at this point. It’s over. Only think you can do is change how the sport is organized to create parity.
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Re: NIL Decommits
Dec 13, 2021, 8:58 AM
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Part of the issue is how Clemson has focused its spending. Our fans bent over backwards to fund facilities and coaches salaries. We are pretty much tapped out in terms of discretionary football spending. This model served us well in the last decade but in this decade some of the money must be diverted from Iptay to NIL based nonprofits.
I will also predict one of two things will happen:
1) A few of the biggest elite schools who are willing to fund a professional football team will breakaway from the pack to form a separate league. You can easily guess which schools will lead.
2) All the schools not willing to fund a professional team will try to force some NIL rules to level the playing field.
Either 1 or 2 will be implemented. Personally I hope Clemson does not go with group 1 as I prefer the college model.
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Re: NIL Decommits***
Dec 13, 2021, 9:00 AM
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Re: NIL Decommits
Dec 13, 2021, 9:03 AM
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Great analysis.
I think there are such a select number of schools that can compete at the highest level that 2 becomes our best hope.
I don't know how the anti-trust laws will apply to this but I the recent NCAA case at the Supreme Court do not say there could be no regulation. The NCAA just didn't have a plan and they have just buried their head in the sand and are now somewhat starting to react and look at some of these deals.
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IF. Players are going to be paid
Dec 13, 2021, 9:24 AM
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Every member of the team should benefit equally. That can be done but changes in the structure of NIL must occur.
I don’t see that happening
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Re: IF. Players are going to be paid
Dec 13, 2021, 9:50 AM
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NIL isn't socialism. In fact, by sheer definition of "Name, Image, and Likeness", it's quite the opposite.
What you are suggesting - everyone benefits equally - is what we had before. 85 scholarships, everyone limited by the same rules equally.
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Re: IF. Players are going to be paid
Dec 13, 2021, 12:03 PM
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Whether the NIL is a good idea or not is a different point, but since we have it I do not think it should be spread equally
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Re: NIL Decommits
Dec 13, 2021, 2:37 PM
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Part of the issue is how Clemson has focused its spending. Our fans bent over backwards to fund facilities and coaches salaries. We are pretty much tapped out in terms of discretionary football spending. This model served us well in the last decade but in this decade some of the money must be diverted from Iptay to NIL based nonprofits.
I will also predict one of two things will happen:
1) A few of the biggest elite schools who are willing to fund a professional football team will breakaway from the pack to form a separate league. You can easily guess which schools will lead.
2) All the schools not willing to fund a professional team will try to force some NIL rules to level the playing field.
Either 1 or 2 will be implemented. Personally I hope Clemson does not go with group 1 as I prefer the college model.
Two or more separate organizations? This may gain traction on TigerNet. There has been a vocal crowd that has pushed having separate G5 and P5 playoffs. Could demolish the current conferences and set things up by NIL funds/budget availability.
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Pick one: NIL or Transfer Portal
Dec 13, 2021, 9:31 AM
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Both of these concepts at the same time has created an instant free agent market for players that have agents. Unlike the NFL, there is no salary cap and there are no contracts. Every player has the ability to constantly shop around for the highest bidder. In Texas, they have what I think is the best model to exploit this system. There is a non-profit that exists to solicit money from "boosters" and distribute money to individual players.
In the current system, those with the most money will win. If Stanford decided they desired football dominance, it could happen next year. Just one of their boosters could create a $1B fund that would last forever and could distribute $50M per year to their football players. They could attract 100% of the 5* recruits every year and bribe any great Sophomore or Junior from another team to transfer to Stanford to fill any sudden needs.
Taken individually, NIL and Transfer Portal are bad for college sports. Together, we've got the NFL without any of the competitive balancing.
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Re: Pick one: NIL or Transfer Portal
Dec 13, 2021, 9:39 AM
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Great post. Your NFL example makes a great point of just how out of control it is in college now. No business likes unknowns as you cannot plan, allocate resources efficiently etc. But that is just what you have in the college football business now. Totally unregulated business.
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Both are bad for college football, however.......
Dec 13, 2021, 9:50 AM
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the transfer portal alone can be somewhat overcome by Clemson if we use it like everybody else to combat the EXITS.........still makes for an unattractive game, but at least ALL SCHOOLS can give and take transfers.
the NIL is the death knell of College Football and unfortunately Clemson is on the losing end of it. There is NOTHING Dabo can do to adapt to the NIL......it's a highest bidder scenario and Clemson can't compete..........Unless we have some Alumni that are founders of the next "Nike" we can't compete with our dealership or tshirt companies.
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Yep... the NCAA isn't really even trying to put in NIL
Dec 13, 2021, 9:39 AM
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guardrails and seem content to let it go wild. The NIL model that should scare everyone is the Texas booster "charity" model that is essentially a way of laundering direct booster payments to players. This is the type of "NIL" payments that will kill college football as we know it.
If the NCAA cannot find a way to regulate the types of NIL that are acceptable versus schemes that are essentially booster payments to players then eventually College football will become like NASCAR - teams with the most money will always win.
Call me naive but I still think the majority of college athletes put earning a college degree over making money off the NIL system. If that dynamic changes to where earning a college degree is secondary or irrelevant to the majority of student football players then I'll probably stop watching or caring about college football. Because at that point they will have killed what makes college football special and have turned it into nothing but a slower and less competitive version of the NFL.
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Re: Yep... the NCAA isn't really even trying to put in NIL
Dec 13, 2021, 9:51 AM
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Hate to break it to you but most of the guys on our team are here because they thought we gave them the best chance to become successful pros not because they enjoy the schools academics or love the color orange or anything else. Now that you add in getting paid (which we won't be able to keep up with) and all those guys you thought were coming here because they loved the "culture" will no longer come here.
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Re: NIL Decommits
Dec 13, 2021, 9:50 AM
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The only thing I can see stopping it is players like rattler and DJ (no offense) but not living up to expectations. Kids aren’t use to playing for money that’s a whole added pressure while adjusting to the college game.
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The NCAA can't put rules in place and regulate it.
Dec 13, 2021, 10:12 AM
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This is law. The college game is over.
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Re: NIL Decommits
Dec 13, 2021, 11:53 AM
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It's probably why the USC job seemed like a good job again. Riley may have noticed.
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Re: NIL Decommits
Dec 13, 2021, 12:04 PM
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Here is where you and I disagree.
You said, "... and rules will have to be put in place."
You are assuming that the NCAA, or individual conferences, are opposed to an elite group of schools benefitting greatly at the expense of others.
I am assuming just the opposite. "If it makes more money for us, I'm all for it."
The NCAA will be opposed to it when 20 or so schools break away from the NCAA and take their money with them.
The SEC will be opposed to it when Alabama, UGA, and Texas break away from the SEC and take their money with them.
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Re: NIL Decommits
Dec 13, 2021, 12:10 PM
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Goodbye to them then. If there first priority was money then Clemson wasn’t the place for them to begin with. Hope the money they make buys them happiness.
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Clemson is not among the top 50 largest universities
Dec 13, 2021, 1:52 PM
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and likely never has been. The total number of alumni is like compounded interest on total enrollment and we will never have the numbers to rely on alumni support to compete with the larger schools. But there are also huge schools which can’t get traction, so the total number of alums is just one factor.
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College football will effectively be ruined possibly by as
Dec 13, 2021, 2:24 PM
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early as 2025.
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