Technically, we didn't

I'm done with Trump.

CDef · 2016-02-17T13:40:47.298Z

I never really supported him, but his take on seemingly intractable problems was interesting. I never liked his flamboyance, and I never liked his arrogance. I detested the way he told other candidates they were losers because he, The Donald, was ahead in the polls, as if people are elected by polls. But through all of that, he was fascinating in much the same way as ####. No, I was through with him last night when he called George Bush The Younger a liar. He said that Bush was responsible for 9/11. He said that Bush knew there were no WMD's in Iraq, but invaded anyway. He said that Bush should have been impeached. He was repeating all of the far left lies heaped upon George Bush during the time our nation was at war, which I though was despicable at the time. The far left did it for political reasons then as did Donald Trump last night. I could just as well have been listening to Harry Reed.

It hasn't been easy for me to do it, but I'm there.

Take a long look in the mirror and admit it.

I thought the whole WMD thing was dubious, but I was willing to fall in line, because I thought we needed to make an example of military might to all the would be jihadists.

Iraq was a better battlefield for us than Afghanistan for obvious reasons.

But we botched the whole thing with the de-Ba'athification policy, the subsequent nation building, and the horrible lawyer controlled rules of engagement. Just talk to Iraq veterans and they will tell you. Don't just talk to the officers, talk to the enlisted.

The surge was indeed successful but at what cost? We would have needed to make Iraq another South Korea in terms of garrisoning thousands of troops there ad infinitum. Too expensive and doesn't gain us anything. Plus, unlike South Korea, the body bags would still be flowing home.

I fully blame Obama for the collapse of Iraq and the surge of ISIS, but as the old saying goes, "In for a penny, in for a pound". That's what W got us with the initial invasion.

Trump helped me get to this point. Prior to Trump, I thought the W presidency was mild failure, but I wasn't willing to come to terms on the Iraq debacle.

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Feb 17, 2016, 10:47 AM [ in reply to It's time conservatives admit W's Iraq gamble was a disaster ]

After Saddam was driven from Kuwait. he signed peace agreements, one of which was to submit to free and unfettered inspections.

The UN set up an inspection process for Iraq.

During the 90's, under Bill Clinton, Saddam threw out the inspectors and denied access to anyone.

It was known at the time that Saddam supported terrorists, to the point of allowing them to live in Iraq, and giving them monetary rewards for the terrorist activities.

After 9/11, in light of Saddam's refusal to allow any inspections, the world's intelligence agencies began a hard look at Iraq.

Based upon available intelligence, both British and American intelligence believed there were weapons in Iraq, or were being built, as in Iran.

President Bush, through the UN, insisted that Saddam live up to the terms of the peace treaty he signed.

Saddam refused.

This went on for months.

Finally, Bush sent troops into Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

Saddam still refused.

We invaded, and ONLY THEN DID WE KNOW.

The Democrats, who had previously VOTED TO GO TO WAR, immediately did an about face, and used this as a political weapon to advance their agenda.

They bashed Bush unmercifully.

John Kerry, true to form after Vietnam, accused our troops of terrorism against civilians.

The Democrats put on the most disgraceful display of partisan politics I have ever witnessed.

The liberal lies of the left continue to this day.

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I'm done with Trump.

It took you this long?***

If you read the post, you know I never supported him.***

I get that. He's Alvin Greene level embarrassing to the GOP.***

I see no comparisons at all.***

A joke of a candidate who's coming close to being a nominee

Donald Trump is no joke.***

Re: Donald Trump is no joke.***

Trump could be the next President. Not a laughing matter.***

Oh I know that's scary as shizz, but he is still a joke of a

LOL... Trump is to the GOP what Sanders is to the Dems.***

I see no comparisons at all. Care to flesh out how a

Both are riding a wave of anger at establishment politics...

Sanders doesn't seem to be as much of a threat in the

Quinnipiac poll has the national difference at 2%...***

Trump finally got one right.

Show me the evidence of your assertions.***

It's an unprovable opinion

It is a liberal political talking point based on lies.***

Re: Trump finally got one right.

Lol. Do you believe, even in the political climate of 2002,

I think that the idea of a potential Ally right next to Iran

Everybody knew they 'had' it... US & GDR supplied it.***

Technically, we didn't "supply" them with WMD's but we

And ... No different than when they put the Shah in power.

No argument there, except we didn't assassinate him.

But what the hell does any of that have to do with

It's time conservatives admit W's Iraq gamble was a disaster

I admit it but

Agree with all of that.***

If he wasn't inept in stopping 9/11, then why did it happen?***

There are too many pieces to that puzzle to blame it on one

It would have to have been luck bordering on a miracle

NO. Link:

Facts... not opinions. Link:

It was only a disaster when Obama failed to keep a presence

Hindsight is perfect vision.

Phantasy World... pathetic propaganda putz, and a phool....***

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