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Front Page Story: Bowden: Swinney has taken Clemson to the next level
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Front Page Story: Bowden: Swinney has taken Clemson to the next level
Jul 26, 2012, 11:10 AM
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Athletic Dir [872]
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Re: Front Page Story: Bowden: Swinney has taken Clemson to the next level
Jul 26, 2012, 11:50 AM
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I have to agree with this article and the comments made 100%. He has done a great job, and made changes that he saw necessary in order for the program to move forward. Yes he still has plenty of room for improvement, but I do feel that he is accepting new goals as a challenge, and will continue to allow the program to progress. Great Article!!
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B-b-b-but, we need a "name" Head Coach!
Jul 26, 2012, 11:51 AM
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Seem kinda safe to say we have one.***
Jul 26, 2012, 12:03 PM
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Does anyone else see the irony in this comment....
Jul 26, 2012, 11:54 AM
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"One of the toughest things you can do as a coach is make decisions with your staff."
####, if he would've gotten rid of Spence, he might still be here. Glad he didn't get rid of Spence.
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Re: Does anyone else see the irony in this comment....
Jul 26, 2012, 12:08 PM
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No need to knock TB...he has a lot of class and know how. I know he had a hard time admitting when he was wrong or made a mistake (as most all of us, especially coaches, do) but he started this whole process of getting Clemson going in the correct direction...Hell, he recommended who his replacement should be and walked away when he felt like he had lost the confidence of the fan base and the program. I met TB three years ago at a FCA dinner in Knoxville, TN and I approached him after his excellent speech and thanked him for what he did for Clemson University...he said to me..."We got very close to getting Clemson to the next level but I think this next guy (Swinney) will be the one who can do it." That takes a lot of class and strength to say something like that. Bowden is still a huge fan of the program and progress at Clemson....make no mistake about it! All In!!
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Re: Does anyone else see the irony in this comment....
Jul 26, 2012, 1:22 PM
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Agree completely. Bowden is a good man and did a lot of good for Clemson. He left us in FAR better shape than he found us and he positioned us well to take that next step. I think we owe him some gratitude.
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Tommy Bowden is going to be one of those people....
Jul 26, 2012, 3:21 PM
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.....that history is going to treat a lot better than he has been treated to this point because of what he did to get this program headed in the right direction.
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Re: Does anyone else see the irony in this comment....
Jul 26, 2012, 2:15 PM
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Completely agree. Bowden was a good coach and is a great man. He did a lot of good things for Clemson, but just wasn't the guy to get us over the hump. Hopefully Dabo's that guy (I think he is at least).
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Re: Does anyone else see the irony in this comment....
Jul 26, 2012, 5:42 PM
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I have all the reason in the world to knock TB. I went to a football camp at Clemson in HS and the guy was a complete Di$%. I mean, I don't care whether he was having a bad day or what, he should have pulled it together around a bunch of HS kids. I walked away from him instead of getting my picture made with him, which was one of the things you did at the end. He looked pissed off, but I don't care. You aren't a God. I'd rather have a picture with Herring anyway. He was a badas$.
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Bowden said a lot of good things...
Jul 26, 2012, 12:03 PM
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However, his comment about having that one player to make a difference seems to imply that he never had that player. He had James Davis, CJ Spiller, Jacoby Ford, and Aaron Kelly all on one team. No excuses there.
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Yeah, I didn't like that either. To imply that without
Jul 26, 2012, 12:09 PM
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Sammy we would've only won 7-8 games is sour grapes to me. Maybe so, maybe not, but I still would've liked our chances with Boyd, Nuke, Ellington, Allen, Peake, Bryant, Humphries, etc....D@mn, he doesn't coach here anymore and he's still making excuses for his incompetency while he was here.
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Re: Yeah, I didn't like that either. To imply that without
Jul 26, 2012, 1:57 PM
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Is he still getting paid.
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Re: Yeah, I didn't like that either. To imply that without
Jul 26, 2012, 3:20 PM
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I remember getting on the elevator in hotel in Virgina going down to the lobby with him and wife. thought Bowden was getting on the bus with coach Scott and team. lost respect for him when he rode with highway patrolman to game. would have thought coach would go with team in away games. guess thats why I am a spector!
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Re: Aaron Kelly doesn't belong in the same sentence at JD and CJ***
Jul 26, 2012, 12:46 PM
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He's the career leader in catches in ACC history. Yes he does.
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If he would have just caught that TD pass against BC, how
Jul 26, 2012, 1:02 PM
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different things might be. Just kidding, AK is great!
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Well, we'd still have Bowden.
Jul 26, 2012, 4:18 PM
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So there's that.
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Re: Switch out Aaron Kelly for Sammy Watkins on that team
Jul 26, 2012, 1:14 PM
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just imagine CJ, Jacoby and Sammy on the same team... speed kills!!
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That's true, but if you look at the rosters top to bottom...
Jul 26, 2012, 2:17 PM
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now, Dabo seems to be building a team with deeper talent. Bowden did plenty of talent don't get me wrong, but not to the extent Dabo is about to have (and has right now already quite honestly).
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But, Dabo did an end run and took Bowden's job.
Jul 26, 2012, 12:06 PM
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signed
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Here Razz - let me save you the keystrokes . . .
Jul 26, 2012, 12:06 PM
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A place like Clemson shouldn't have to offer on-the-job training . . .
And this is me - But UNC, Mich State, and others aren't as good as us - so it is OK for them . . .
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Re: Here Razz - let me save you the keystrokes . . .
Jul 26, 2012, 12:24 PM
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Very weak comments!! Venables, Morris, Caldwell, Elliot and most of the other assistants are hardly doing any on-the-job training at Clemson - they are studs in the biz!! What you idiots who never played football or never where involved in coaching a serious program need to realize is it's not all about the head coach and how many team's he has coached successfully in the past...if he can hire great assistants, recruit players in the top 20% and maintain excellent facilities then he will be in the Conference Championship and Nat'l Championship picture within 5 years....every time!! We are well on our way and it is only getting better each year! Dabo has given Clemson an EXCELLENT BRAND name again and it is only getting stronger and that ultimately is what you want any coach to build, with character and integrity.
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NICE. +1.***
Jul 26, 2012, 12:33 PM
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Of the 21 teams ranked above CU, any HCs with no experience?
Jul 26, 2012, 1:31 PM
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At this point, all of Dabo's past, unecessary, beginner head coaching mistakes are all water over the the ### (like the 6-7 season despite Top 25 player-talent, all the losses to inferior teams, etc.) As the author of this article opines, Dabo has learned from his newbie mistakes. I agree, and I expect Clemson to get better as Dabo gains experience.
The top teams (Bama, LSU, OSU, et al) hire seasoned, successful coaches so that they can be successful quickly, rather than providing on-the-job training. It's not just my opinion.
At OKSt., Terry Don Phillips promoted Les Miles to be head coach, and then once Miles got up to speed at OKSt's expense, LSU hired Miles away from OkSt. Bad investment for OKSt. Good investment for LSU. I hope TDP's gamble works out better for Clemson.
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We did not have top 25 talent in 2010
Jul 26, 2012, 2:34 PM
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Our only offensive weapons were Nuk and Ellington. nuk was a freshmen and teams started doubling him and Allen, who didn't play like he did in 2011. Ellington went down and that was pretty much all she wrote for our offense.
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Re: Of the 21 teams ranked above CU, any HCs with no experience?
Jul 26, 2012, 2:47 PM
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Really?? I hate to say it, but your logic is easily contradicted....How about Lou Holtz at S. Car? He was as seasoned as a Montreal steak, home boy! How'd that work out??
Also, when LSU hired the almighty Nick Saban after years of head coaching experience, you know how he did in the five years he was there?? 8-4, 10-3, 8-5, Nat'l Champ, 9-3. Other than the one Nat'l Champ year, not so impressive. Even worse, you know how the great Nick Saban did at Mich State as their head coach?? 6-5, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, 9-2.
He has succeeded at Alabama because of the facilities, the Brand, the assistant coaches, the recruiting and some to do with his knowledge.....which, by the way, is exactly what Swinney is doing at Clemson.
Now, sit down and shut up!
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You didn't answer my question. You cherry-picked bad cases.
Jul 26, 2012, 3:23 PM
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Answer the question:
Of the 21 teams ranked above CU, any HCs with no experience?
It's OK. I'll answer the question. ZERO.
It's not like I cherry-picked the Top 25 AP final poll.
But you cherry-picked a few situations where good coaches took over weak programs and then you note that the good coach didn't instantly turn around the program. That's apples-to-oranges. Dabo took over a good program, loaded with Top 20 talent, and good facilities.
Proven guys like Urban Meyer and Saban went into decent programs (UF & Bama) and quickly turned them into top tier teams.
Spurrier had success at (formerly crappy) Duke, UF, & (formerly crappy).
I prefer to skip the cherry-picking, step back, and look at the broad statistics. That's what I posted, and they don't show improvement.
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Re: You didn't answer my question. You cherry-picked bad cases.
Jul 26, 2012, 3:32 PM
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> Answer the question:
> Of the 21 teams ranked above CU, any HCs with no
> experience?
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> It's OK. I'll answer the question. ZERO.
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> It's not like I cherry-picked the Top 25 AP final
> poll.
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> But you cherry-picked a few situations where good
> coaches took over weak programs and then you note
> that the good coach didn't instantly turn around the
> program. That's apples-to-oranges. Dabo took over a
> good program, loaded with Top 20 talent, and good
> facilities.
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> Proven guys like Urban Meyer and Saban went into
> decent programs (UF & Bama) and quickly turned them
> into top tier teams. >
> Spurrier had success at (formerly crappy) Duke, UF, &
> (formerly crappy).
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> I prefer to skip the cherry-picking, step back, and
> look at the broad statistics. That's what I posted,
> and they don't show improvement.
so your saying CU was left in better shape with more talented players when Bowden was canned and Swinney took over than UF and BAMA were when Meyer and Saban took over??!!!!??? That might be the stupidest thing I;ve evere read on this site.
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I didn't say that at all. Read. Comprehend. THEN comment.***
Jul 26, 2012, 8:15 PM
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I count 10 teams
Jul 26, 2012, 5:31 PM
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Ranked ahead of us in the final 2011 AP Top 25 who's current head coach had no HC experience prior to them being hired by their current school.
Oklahoma State
Oregon
Boise State
Wisconsin
TCU
Oklahoma
West Virginia
Houston
Georgia
Southern Miss
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Re: I count 10 teams
Jul 26, 2012, 6:45 PM
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Bottom line folks...Razzmatazz is an idiot and has too much time on his hands, which is a dead giveaway for a Coot in disguise! Razz - you have no real clue or understanding of college football or coaching so you dig up stats and irrelevant information to try and support a weak statement. You probably never played football, never led or managed a group of more than 3 people, never coached a sport (even little league baseball), never asked out a smokin hot girl and none ever went out with you. So, you TRY to make yourself feel better by bashing Clemson because you are so envious of the tradition and recent progress...that's ok though, because it is good to see Coots like you on a Clemson website trying to bash our program...just shows that we continue to be the envy of every coots eye!
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Of course I meant HC or coordiinator experience. ZERO.
Jul 26, 2012, 8:24 PM
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How many were promoted from position-coach to head coach of a major D1 program? Zero. So Dabo learned from his on-the-job mistakes, just like the author of this article opines.
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Your cutting hairs razz...
Jul 26, 2012, 8:39 PM
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Whether you're a position coach or a coordinator, coaching is coaching. Neither one teaches you how to be a head coach. Ask Will Muschamp, just for instance. He's admitted he's learning how to be a head coach. Fact is, EVERY head coach has had to learn how to be a head coach. Dabo's doing a great job so far, and he looks to be growing a monster.
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Yeah... Me & every D1 AD in the country cutting same hairs!***
Jul 26, 2012, 9:02 PM
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LOL. What are you even talking about?
Jul 26, 2012, 9:05 PM
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By your response I'm guessing you didn't even open the post. Either way - poor, poor effort that refutes absolutely nothing.
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LOL. You don't understand. No time to explain it to you.***
Jul 26, 2012, 9:11 PM
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There's nothing to explain. You rarely make sense except to
Jul 26, 2012, 9:12 PM
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yourself.
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Re: Your cutting hairs razz...
Jul 26, 2012, 11:13 PM
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You're not your. short for you are
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Keep moving the goal posts sport
Jul 26, 2012, 10:54 PM
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You said nothing about Coordinator experience.
FYI, if your stance would be Clemson policy then Danny Ford wouldn't have been named Charlie Pell's replacement.
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Our talent was not that strong in 2010. I thought we already
Jul 26, 2012, 8:44 PM
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discussed this? We some good players here and there, but we were obviously lacking in WR talent and experience, we had a QB who clearly regressed, and we had unimaginative play-calling to make up for the above. You aren't really sticking to your silly notion that our WR's are poorly coached, are you? Look, just because all indications are that you were wrong about Dabo, that's not a reason to try and extrapolate a bunch of nonsense out of nothing.
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No need to knock Bowden....
Jul 26, 2012, 12:12 PM
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No need to knock TB...he has a lot of class and know how. I know he had a hard time admitting when he was wrong or made a mistake (as most all of us, especially coaches, do) but he started this whole process of getting Clemson going in the correct direction...####, he recommended who his replacement should be and walked away when he felt like he had lost the confidence of the fan base and the program. I met TB three years ago at a FCA dinner in Knoxville, TN and I approached him after his excellent speech and thanked him for what he did for Clemson University...he said to me..."We got very close to getting Clemson to the next level but I think this next guy (Swinney) will be the one who can do it." That takes a lot of class and strength to say something like that. Bowden is still a huge fan of the program and progress at Clemson....make no mistake about it! All In!!
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Re: No need to knock Bowden....
Jul 26, 2012, 12:55 PM
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Couldn't agree more. Sometimes to get a program where it needs to go you have to have multiple coaches that act as a stepping stone. I think Swinney is our guy but ill always have respect for TB
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oh Bowden...
Jul 26, 2012, 12:17 PM
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"it just takes one player to make a difference,” Bowden said. “Like Sammy Watkins- take him off that team last season and maybe they only have seven or eight wins..."
Some things never change..
"We were one play away."
"Half the teams in the country lost last Saturday."
"If I had to play South Carolina every week I would still have a job."
Am I missing anything?
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Re: oh Bowden...
Jul 26, 2012, 12:20 PM
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Here's a guy who had CJ Spiller and James Davis at the same time and did nothing. One player? Come on... Spiller > Sammy as of now.
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Re: oh Bowden...
Jul 26, 2012, 12:35 PM
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Agreed. Seems he still is not acknowledging that. He had that "one" player in CJ Spiller. Not to mention Davis, Ford and Kelly were all great in their own right and on the same team
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Hey Coach Bowden, Thanks for hiring Dabo!***
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