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Tajh Boyd deserves more credit
Jan 31, 2017, 11:16 AM
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For setting the stage for where we are today. I believe the turning point for our program was the Bowl Game vs LSU. Tajh gave us absolutely everything he had and willed us to that program changing victory. Without a Tajh Boyd I don't believe we have a DW4. Thank you Tajh!
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Couldn't agree more...
Jan 31, 2017, 11:18 AM
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fellow Clemson fan.
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Re: Tajh Boyd deserves more credit
Jan 31, 2017, 11:18 AM
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without Chad Morris there is no DW4
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Re: Tajh Boyd deserves more credit
Jan 31, 2017, 11:21 AM
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I happen to have a big thank you to both Tajh and Chad. They are all pieces the puzzle.
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All-In [10143]
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I think Dabo said it best
Jan 31, 2017, 11:22 AM
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All the former tigers played a roll in getting us to where we are today, and think of where we are going
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Game Changer [1977]
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Re: Tajh Boyd deserves more credit
Jan 31, 2017, 11:18 AM
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but i agree, Tajh was a big part in turning the corner
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Re: Tajh Boyd deserves more credit
Jan 31, 2017, 11:29 AM
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For me it began when we were able to get CJ. I remember when he committed and how huge that was for not just the program but for the fan base also. Everything else filtered into place with big time recruits and certainly big time coaching hires. So glad I can say I have witnessed a title now.
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Re: Tajh Boyd deserves more credit
Jan 31, 2017, 11:31 AM
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And I think CJ committed with influence from Davis and so on...
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big time.***
Jan 31, 2017, 11:33 AM
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Re: Tajh Boyd deserves more credit
Jan 31, 2017, 11:39 AM
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We all have witnessed Dabo making good on his words when he was hired. After his hiring speech, a lot laughed saying that Dabo was in way over his head. But he made it look kinda easy orchestrating a National Championship team!!! Dabo Swinney is a very smart, very determined man!!!
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I'm curious, who's not giving him credit?***
Jan 31, 2017, 11:31 AM
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110%er [5513]
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I'm curious how you got that from my OP
Jan 31, 2017, 11:35 AM
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MORE would imply he IS getting credit but I think he deserves MORE.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101567]
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Oh my
Jan 31, 2017, 11:39 AM
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"Tajh Boyd deserves more credit" implies he's not getting
Jan 31, 2017, 11:41 AM
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enough credit. Not rocket science here, really.
Eho's not giving him enough credit and what would you like to see as more credit?
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Who is Eho?
Jan 31, 2017, 11:42 AM
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*who*
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101567]
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Good question. I'm not familiar with Eho.***
Jan 31, 2017, 11:42 AM
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Yeah, but you imply he's not getting enough.
Jan 31, 2017, 11:47 AM
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Based on what?
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110%er [5513]
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He's never really mentioned on here with the likes of
Jan 31, 2017, 11:51 AM
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TB, Spiller, Morris etc. Who all played a part in laying the foundation. I just think the part he played is bigger than he's given credit for.
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LOL
Jan 31, 2017, 11:51 AM
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You're trying waaay too hard.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [105932]
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As are you Stanley***
Jan 31, 2017, 12:10 PM
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I think everyone should just add a dab of additional credit
Jan 31, 2017, 11:50 AM
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to whatever amount of credit they are already giving him, which we can all agree is already some level of credit.
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Yeah, but will it still be enough?
Jan 31, 2017, 11:54 AM
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Axing for coot....
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It will be more, and that's what he deserves...
Jan 31, 2017, 12:00 PM
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If I read the op right.
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The English language can be tricky, but not in this case.
Jan 31, 2017, 11:51 AM
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Saying he needs more credit most definitely implies he doesn't get enough credit.
Saying I need more money at work clearly implies I'm not making enough. Similar to saying you should post less on Tigernet is akin to the fact you post too much.
Still waiting for you to explain who all these people are who aren't giving him enough credit? Clemson nation will forever love Boyd and give tons of credit towards where we are today.
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110%er [5513]
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You asked "who's not giving him credit?"
Jan 31, 2017, 11:53 AM
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Implying I said people aren't giving him any credit at all... which is not what I said.
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And that's not what he said. He said "not ENOUGH credit..."***
Jan 31, 2017, 11:55 AM
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Wrong.
Jan 31, 2017, 11:55 AM
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You said he deserves more credit, implying he is getting credit. Nobody said he's getting none.
Are you okay man? You're just very good at this.
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How are you not getting the issue is YOU implying
Jan 31, 2017, 12:12 PM
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I said he gets no credit? I openly admit my point was he's not getting enough. Keep ignoring your mistake.
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Wrong again. You said he deserves more credit.
Jan 31, 2017, 2:34 PM
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Sorry if I didn't attempt to quote you precisely, but again, your implication is clear. Saying he deserves more credit is the same as saying he doesn't get enough credit.
http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=21000135
"Tajh Boyd deserves more credit" implies he's not getting enough credit.
You were wrong, as usual. Blue fatty..LOL.
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Ok, so really, the whole thing
Jan 31, 2017, 12:08 PM
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was just a trolling type joke, wasn't it? There's no way you're serious right now.
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110%er [5513]
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No the whole thing is you failing to realize MORE credit
Jan 31, 2017, 12:16 PM
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Means I understand he is getting credit. You asked me who's not giving him credit, which implies i meant he was getting none. Your question was a fail, own it.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [105932]
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NAT is right, you can't read Stanley and you're putting
Jan 31, 2017, 12:26 PM
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words into his mouth. Go back and read it and if you have common sense you'll realize you're wrong, but if you don't well then you'll continue to argue.
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110%er [7719]
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110%er [3895]
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I'll do you one small piece of a play better than that
Jan 31, 2017, 11:40 AM
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Agree completely on Tajh. 100%
But the Hot Rod blitz pickup block on 4th and 16 is what kickstarted this whole little fun ride. That was the first little knock on the door.
After we beat Ohio St Next year to win the Orange Bowl, we kicked the door slap in. Sent the message we weren't going anywhere, and were ready to play with anybody, anytime.
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Absolutely.***
Jan 31, 2017, 11:43 AM
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How much credit?
Jan 31, 2017, 11:49 AM
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On a scale of 1 to infinity...is appropriate?
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Good question!
Jan 31, 2017, 12:06 PM
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NAT, please quantify how much credit Boyd currently gets. I'm a technical guy, so please use data. And then after you do that, please quantify how much, precisely, he should get.
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Obvious post is obvious.
Jan 31, 2017, 12:12 PM
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TB gets plenty of credit for building this program, and most Tiger fans would agree that Peach bowl win vs LSU was the turning point.
So Germans...
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OK, I'll take a shot. Who is not giving him enough credit?***
Jan 31, 2017, 12:18 PM
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Fans in general
Jan 31, 2017, 12:24 PM
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I know they love and respect him, but I don't believe they see the huge role he played in getting us here. No offense to Cole, but if he was our QB instead of Boyd we 1. Wouldn't be National Champs right now 2. Would prob be running a different offensive system.
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That's not the sense I get
Jan 31, 2017, 12:58 PM
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But that may just be the different impressions of fans that we've heard from and talk to.
He's easily one of my favorite Tigers of all time. He went out there and played hard and made stuff happen. The mere fact that he was willing to duck his head and get a yard against multiple hard hitting linebackers when we had to have it is enough for me to stand and applaud.
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Who's #1 according to you?
Jan 31, 2017, 12:29 PM
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I know how much of a liability you think DW4 is so... Fuller? Jordan?
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Orange Blooded [3855]
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DW4 is 1 obviously.***
Jan 31, 2017, 12:31 PM
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110%er [5513]
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Even though he's a, your words, "liability"?
Jan 31, 2017, 12:35 PM
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I'll take a couple more liabilities then!
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Orange Blooded [3855]
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Did I ever insult DW4? How is calling an INT on the road a liability an issue?***
Jan 31, 2017, 12:52 PM
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Why don't one of you provide a link to the post and let
Jan 31, 2017, 1:12 PM
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the rest of us judge whether it was an insult targeted at DW4 or not? Kind of like when I provided a link to NAT claiming that Dwayne Allen knowingly said something that was untrue, also known as lying.
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Orange Blooded [3855]
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I second this. And I would of disappointed DSP since it was an ingame reaction post lol.***
Jan 31, 2017, 1:22 PM
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Re: Tajh Boyd deserves more credit
Jan 31, 2017, 12:29 PM
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I agree with Boyd deserving more credit, but I would contribute the win over LSU more to their OC that kept passing the ball and leaving enough time on the clock and our timeouts. If he runs the ball 3 times and punts, then Boyd would never have had time for 4th-and-16. The OC was fired later. He sucked. Anyone could have won that game for LSU if they had enough sense to manage the clock. Too late now. That play was the turning point in both CLEMSON and LSU's future programs. We went UP and they went down. It will be years before LSU is back to where they were.
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I agree - LSU's fired OC deserves more credit.***
Jan 31, 2017, 12:40 PM
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It certainly didn't work
Jan 31, 2017, 1:00 PM
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But if they had tried to run, we would've used our TO's after stopping them, and the entire last sequence would've been different.
RUnning would've given them a better chance to win, but I think we still had that drive even without the TO's.
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Re: Tajh Boyd deserves more credit
Jan 31, 2017, 12:48 PM
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Now that I'm understanding where I went wrong, where do I go to give Boyd more credit, and how much? I want to do the right thing by Boyd, 'cause it's the CLEMSON way. I'm not Catholic, so I don't understand the "Hail Mary" thing at all, so is it anything like that? I'm going to need some guidance 'cause I failed Credit-101.
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Re: Tajh Boyd deserves more credit
Jan 31, 2017, 1:01 PM
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Well you have to go way back. It really started in 1999.
We are coming off 3-8 season. Facilities way behind.
Tommy Bowden is hired. Brings RichRod as OC.
Offense is exciting, takes #1 FSU to the brink.
Bowden pushes for better facilities... West EndZone starts to take shape.
Bowden gets program from bad to respectable, though never approaches elite.
Recruiting improves...
Bowden hires Dabo.
James Davis commits... leads to...
CJ Spiller commits...
Program sniffs next level but 2008 Alabama game happens...
Reality sets in, we arent close yet.
Dabo hired as HC
Tajh Boyd Commits...
First ACC-A title
2011 recruiting class
First ACC title in 20 years
First Orange Bowl appears.. but ouch
Beats UGA
Beats LSU in bowl game
Beats Ohio State in bowl game
Destroys Oklahoma in bowl game.. while an underdog
Wins ACC again
Destroys Oklahoma in bowl game.. while an underdog
Makes first CFP
Wins ACC again
Makes 2nd CFP
Wins 2nd National Title
It started small... but while there has been ups and downs but the program has been on the rise since '99, A lot of people deserve credit. Bowden got us out of the gutter, got facilties moving and hired Dabo. Dabo took the foundation, got some great players to come here and took it the rest of the way.
Awesome time to be a Clemson Tiger.
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Re: Tajh Boyd deserves more credit
Jan 31, 2017, 1:02 PM
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Oops.. got UGA and LSU backwards. Doh
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Re: Tajh Boyd deserves more credit
Jan 31, 2017, 1:03 PM
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What is his credit limit right now? Can we take out a loan or start a go fund me page?
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ra'd for pandering
Jan 31, 2017, 3:08 PM
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coot
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