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So far, Venables is no improvement over Steel.
Sep 24, 2012, 10:23 AM
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Thru 4 games....
2011 under Steel
Cu vs Troy W43-19
CU cs Wofford W35-27
Cu vs vs #21Auburn W38-24
Cu vs #11 Florida State W35-30
25 pts/g
2012 Under Venables
Cu vs Auburn* W26-19
Cu vs Ball State W52-27
Cu vs Furman W41-7
Cu vs Florida State 37 - 49
25.5 pts/g
That's slightly worse, but I'm sure it's within the margin of error. I'm calling it basically the same.
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not a good comparison***
Sep 24, 2012, 10:25 AM
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Not if your looking for improvement it isn't...
Sep 24, 2012, 10:28 AM
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Two common opponents, 1 mid-minor FBS school, and 1 AA school for the southeastern conference. It's close enough.
Can we have our $800K back yet?
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Problems are not coaching. The talent level is. Clemson
Sep 24, 2012, 10:29 AM
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people have always tended to not want to acknowledge it when our players aren't as good or haven't developed as hoped.
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Exactly!
Sep 24, 2012, 10:34 AM
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We have a real talent issue, or lack of, on defense
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CU Guru [1431]
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Look at the kids CU is recruiting for next year....
Sep 24, 2012, 10:35 AM
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the coaches know this and that's they type of athlete they are targeting.
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So what do you suggest? Fire him?
Sep 24, 2012, 10:27 AM
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How is it his fault we are lacking depth?
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Re: So what do you suggest? Fire him?
Sep 24, 2012, 10:33 AM
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Well, you should never look at the data and try to form a hypothesis, and granted 4 data points is a small sample size, but given the change in coordinators, and the change in scheme, the common denominator is the players. No knack on them, I think they are playing their guts out. I don't question any of their efforts or their hearts. I thought they looked really fast Saturday night and moved to the ball very well. But there are some basic fundamentals that need work (wrapping up!!!). I think I could also make the argument that some of it is a hangover effect from Steele having not done a good job coaching them to the point where he was dismissed.
The good news for the tigers is the worst of their schedule is behind them.
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utah lonnie aka gamecock will
Sep 24, 2012, 10:27 AM
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Shut the #### up.
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Re: So far, Venables is no improvement over Steel.
Sep 24, 2012, 10:29 AM
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cept venables dosen't have as many experience on his D, and his DT are soft so he is doing about the same with less
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Re: So far, Venables is no improvement over Steel.
Sep 24, 2012, 10:33 AM
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I think that's a very valid argument Tommy.
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Re: So far, Venables is no improvement over Steel.
Sep 24, 2012, 10:31 AM
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Clemson played their 1st team D the whole game against Troy and Wofford. Starters played 1 half against Furman and good Ball St team that just beat SoFla.
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He's got the same D with less talent. Not his fault***
Sep 24, 2012, 10:31 AM
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Re: So far, Venables is no improvement over Steel.
Sep 24, 2012, 10:43 AM
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We have exactly the team we all thought we had before the game. Great offense, enough defense to win a high scoring game against non- top ten teams and we will probably lose at least one more time. Just don't let it be SCAR. Venables does not have much to work with.
Dabo gets the blame for not recruiting beef over finesse.
We have what we have and we all wish we had more. Not the case.
The Tigers played good Saturday and we will have a good season.
We are not there yet. Face it!!!
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Re: So far, Venables is no improvement over Steel.
Sep 24, 2012, 10:44 AM
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The problem with your comparrison is the stats are from Steele's 4th season as DC and Venable's after 9 months on the job. BV had some of the best D's in the nation at OK. Let him recruit and we will see a vast difference.
I am frustrated and disappointed with that loss, but we just went toe-to-toe with the #4 team in the country...at their house. That was much better than the 57-0 drubbings we have been used to at Doak.
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CU Guru [1431]
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^^^ Fair/valid points.***
Sep 24, 2012, 11:03 AM
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Not a fair comparison - it's talent IMO and ....
Sep 24, 2012, 10:57 AM
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not just coaching - evaluate BV at the end of the season before blaming him.
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Not blaming him....
Sep 24, 2012, 11:04 AM
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Just pointing out that as of right now, it appears there isn't going to be the "quick fix" that many had hoped for when this hire was made. Patience is a virtue.
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how can you say its no talent with a straight face?
Sep 24, 2012, 11:10 AM
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Stop making excuses. Coaching and S&C are the problem. We competed with the best football schools in the southeast to sign these guys. Now, not every recruit is a hit but when your entire team is made up of misses, that's coaching and player development.
Tig Willard 4 star
Quandon 3 star
Stephone Anthony 5 star
Tony Steward 5 star
Malicah Goodman 4 star
Corico 3 star
Meeks 4 star
Brewer 3 star
Hall 3 star
Barnes 4 star
Breeland 3 star
Crawford 4 star
Peters 4 star
Robinson 4 star
Watson 4 star
Cortez Davis 4 star
Jarret 3 star
Lateek 4 star
That's a whole lot of stars on that defense for them to be playing like absolute crap.
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Re: So far, Venables is no improvement over Steel.
Sep 24, 2012, 11:08 AM
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This is unfair. We do realize that Steele had 2 NFL corners and 2 NFL defensive lineman on last years team and stuff couldn't get the job done. I think that this team, at this point, lacks any NFL talent on defense. I think there is talent that can be polished but they would not be ready right now.
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Re: So far, Venables is no improvement over Steel.
Sep 24, 2012, 11:25 AM
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Only metric I put out there was PPG. There are many more ways to measure a defense.
Just put the PPG #'s out there to start a rational conversation as opposed the the SKY is FALLING threads we've seen over the past 2 days.
If you read the entire thread and you will see that there have been some very good points made as to why Venables IS an improvement. Honestly, I think Venables has a lot of upside in the long run.
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