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Re: SIDS, Autism were non existent before the massive increase
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Sep 29, 2023, 9:31 AM
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This is just a bunch of qanon, MAGA, Trumper, anti science hokum. These sick babies are figments of your imagination so you better move along with your conspiracy theories.
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Is this REALLY the line you want to be in
Sep 29, 2023, 10:50 AM
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when Jesus comes back?
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Re: Is this REALLY the line you want to be in
Sep 29, 2023, 7:30 PM
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19B believes in JESUS?!
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Re: Is this REALLY the line you want to be in
Sep 29, 2023, 10:00 PM
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"Clinton science" eliminate any opposition
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Re: Is this REALLY the line you want to be in
Sep 29, 2023, 10:01 PM
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Re: SIDS, Autism were non existent before the massive increase
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Sep 29, 2023, 9:40 AM
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if you are over 35 yrs old, you have less vaxxes than a 6-month-old today and look at all the health issues RSV, ADHD, Autism, asthma, severe allergies, chrones.......
Kids have never been sicker
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You know why women used to have a lot of kids?
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Sep 29, 2023, 9:51 AM
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Because most of them would die before they hit 10 years old.
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Re: SIDS, Autism were non existent before the massive increase
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Sep 29, 2023, 10:42 AM
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you are incorrect
less named vaccines, but with improvements with vaccines like the DTap, exposed to less antigens now than before
but you know, science
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pfft...what do you know about science "Doc"?***
Sep 29, 2023, 11:19 AM
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stayed in a holiday inn express last night***
Sep 29, 2023, 11:31 AM
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That'll do pig...that'll do.***
Sep 29, 2023, 11:40 AM
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Re: SIDS, Autism were non existent before the massive increase
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Sep 29, 2023, 9:50 AM
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I’m not sure exactly where the blame lies for our culture’s slipping grasp on reality. I do know that destabilizing institutions of human progress like medicine, academics, education, government, research, has had disastrous consequences. Coupled with the sense of empowerment that the internet has provided and the reclusiveness, isolation, and self absorption rampant among all demographics, we now have a situation where people without even the education to understand the nature of big complex questions, let alone the controversies or solutions, will read an unsourced blog post or a tweet and grant it credence over literal buildings full of PhDs and decades if not centuries of scientific literature.
We have found ourselves in a situation where you can reply to things like claims that infants never died of what we now call SIDS before vaccines or that autism never existed with really well thought out and well sourced corrections, and they will be dismissed casually because of the overarching conspiratorial or political belief that these institutions are somehow corrupted or “well what about only tangentially related example x?” defense mechanisms to rationalize the irrational. A complete failure of education, understanding of history, and ability to critically analyze new information, with an equally vehement and yet unwarranted self-conviction.
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All-Time Great [90838]
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Carl Sagan saw this coming decades ago.
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Sep 29, 2023, 9:55 AM
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I posted this a few weeks ago when I saw it, but he said this in his last book in 1995.
“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...
The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”
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Add in the denialism of human impact on climate change .
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Sep 29, 2023, 11:17 AM
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The disregard of science, economics, mathematics and statistics is an American epidemic. Unfortunately there’s no vaccine and even if there was, many would not take it.
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Tiger Titan [48916]
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Here's why we have this new slew of anti-vaxxers
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Sep 29, 2023, 2:42 PM
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After their disdain for the the COVID vaccine, they started going down a new rabbit hole. One that was created by hippie leftists over 20 years ago. This new crop doesn't actually understand the "MMR causes autism" issue; they just see it as "Government and vaccines bad! Science bad! Can't trust anyone!" They've carried over their conspiracies to a new realm and have attached themselves to a movement that, if they knew how to do actual research, they would quickly realize is false and dangerous.
But nope. If science touches it, it's gotta be bad.
Ironically, it was their side over 20 years ago that fought against the misinformation propagated by the leftists and they sided with the doctors fighting against the myth. Now they've gone full whack job and immediately dismiss anything supported by science or the medical community because... COVID.
It's sad they don't realize their views help spread lies that kill children.
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Morons like you are gonna bring polio back.***
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All-Time Great [90838]
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But they're saving the kids!
Sep 29, 2023, 9:56 AM
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Them and Xi, Putin, and Trump.
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Re: SIDS, Autism were non existent before the massive increase
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Sep 29, 2023, 10:40 AM
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you are the most incorrect uninformed person I have ever met
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Re: SIDS, Autism were non existent before the massive increase
Sep 29, 2023, 2:08 PM
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That's quite an accomplishment for this particular message board.
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Life expectancy was also 58 and childhood mortality
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was many times higher. And this is what most people fail to understand about life expectancy. It used to be below 60 in the US, back before CHILDHOOD vaccines. BUT, what people don't understand is the death of a child, at a very young age, at birth, or before the age of 18, impacts the average life expectancy far more than older people dying. In the 1700's, life expectancy was south of 60yo. BUT, you had roughly the same odds of seeing 65th birthday in the 1700's IF YOU SURVIVED TO 18 years old, as you would today.
CHILDHOOD vaccines saved children from dying from "childhood diseases", and this is why we give vaccines to children. That is the primary reason why life expectancy climbed. It wasn't from 35yo men and women living longer. It was from far less children dying.
My parents (former) doctor was a great example. He was anti-vax WAY back before it was trending on Twitter, before the internet, etc. He had a son. He refused to give his son any vaccines. His son died at less than 10 years old, from measles. He then quit practicing medicine. Without vaccines, CHILDREN, in the past, had almost a 50% chance of never seeing 18yo. This is why centuries ago people had 6, 8, 10, 12 children. You have 12, 6 will likely make it to adulthood, on average. Studying genealogy you will see this as well, in old cemeteries you see many graves for children and infants. Less in newer cemeteries.
Anyway, is what it is. Life expectancy dropped from covid not from the economically expendable, "mostly older" people dying. If you die from covid at 72yo, you lose what, 6 years of life? If you die at 2 years old, you lose 76 years of life. (assuming average life expectancy of 78yo). The death of a 2yo impacts average life expectancy roughly 13 TIMES as much as the death of a 72yo. And most of the decline in life expectancy in the US, has come from the middle aged/working people dying. And this is why you rarely see covid excess deaths broken down by age groups. It's a dirty secret. People 30-50yo have had the same number or slightly MORE EXCESS people die, from covid, as a percentage of that age group who would normally die, than the 75yo+ age group. The relatively few deaths in people 30-50, has impacted life expectancy numbers more than the much higher number of deaths in the older population. This is also why everyone freaks out about "the children", with covid. If only one child dies for every 6 people over 70yo from covid, then that would have been a catastrophe for life expectancy, even if they would be 6 times LESS LIKELY to die, a decade or more would have dropped from life expectancy.
Relativity is a difficult concept to comprehend. Mostly people like Einstein and actuaries, etc. understand it well. But the average person is clueless when it comes to relative comparisons. Most people see numbers, and they don't interpret them in any real context, or a broader context, beyond how it is presented to them.
As for your article, some relativity. Roughly 2300 babies die from SIDS in the US every year. Let's assume childhood vaccines cause 100% of SIDS deaths, just to humor you. There are currently 73.1 MILLION children under 18yo in the US (thanks largely to childhood vaccines). Without childhood vaccines, there would be tens of millions LESS children in the US under 18. Remember, 50% of children used to die before seeing 18 years. With modern medicine to treat the childhood diseases after they happen from a lack of vaccines, I'm sure that number would be far less, maybe 20%, or even 15%. So 2,300 babies die from SIDS to allow 10-20+ million MORE CHILDREN to see college. It's a no-brainer for reasonable people, and I'm being purposefully conservative with the numbers. If you think about things with relativity and perspective, and you want the best chance for your child to see adulthood, see him or her get that diploma, get married, and see grandchildren, give then all the childhood vaccines. Most reasonable parents, or people, would take on a 1 in 100,000 risk to ensure they have a 50% less chance of dying before 18 years old.
Hitchhiking is another prime example. It's illegal. NO ONE picks up hitchhikers anymore. It's just too dangerous. There have been 695 cases of murder and/or sexual assault by hitchhikers, ever. Total crimes are maybe 2,000, ever. A hitchhiker is actually 3 times more likely to be the VICTIM of a crime perpetrated by the driver. But I digress. In 1974, the same year as the study and FBI statistics came out, 49,000 Americans died driving vehicles. So people were 90 times as likely to die while driving (alone or with friends/family) from an accident, than being the victim of any crime or murder by a hitchhiker. No one stops driving though. But EVERYONE stopped picking up hitchhikers. People were over 10 times as likely to be murdered or sexually assaulted by a family member, than a hitchhiker. But every case was blasted on social media....well, the evening news at the time, and people, lacking relativity, reacted. And this was all well and good for the auto industry, and the road construction industry, the oil industry, etc.
It's surreal really looking around at all the change in the world today, and realizing, many things have never changed, and never will.
Ending childhood vaccines would be a bigger disaster than covid ever thought of being.
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Ring of Honor [22382]
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I had two cousins that I never knew die from polio
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Sep 29, 2023, 1:49 PM
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My Mom’s oldest sister was 15 years older _ and infant and childhood mortality rates were much higher in the 1st half of 1900’s. The greatest generation who lived thru the depression and fought in WW2 were much more supportive of the medical profession and vaccines. Their life experiences reflected the benefits.
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It's amazing how stupid these people are
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Ending childhood vaccines would be a bigger disaster than covid ever thought of being.
Vaccines are one of the greatest inventions of mankind and these vaccines have saved millions of children's lives. Pushing this myth kills kids.
But Lawd knows, they read some stupid fringe website or listened to a loudmouth on a podcast so they think they know it all now...
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This is honestly getting a bit sad
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Sep 29, 2023, 1:53 PM
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Are your critical thinking skills this bad?
I’m not even making fun here, this is concerning.
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Re: This is honestly getting a bit sad
Sep 29, 2023, 2:05 PM
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It's more shameful RPMcMurphy® TU it. Thought he was a little smarter than that.
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Re: SIDS, Autism were non existent before the massive increase
Sep 29, 2023, 1:57 PM
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I have heard that totally normal people, I mean in their 40's, are getting autism after they get the Jab. It's bad.
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False
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Sep 29, 2023, 2:02 PM
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Vaccines do not cause autism.
Anyone who TU this post should be ashamed of being so ignorant.
The autism/vaccine myth was made popular by extreme leftist hippies out in California, so if you push this myth now, enjoy your new friends.
Anyone who pushes this myth helps contribute to the death of children. Period.
EDIT: Also, LOL... a "former police chief" named "Jennifer" who won't give her real name or the city where this happened.
DOUBLE EDIT: Author of this website is a liberal Dem living in Los Angeles.
Message was edited by: Catahoula®
Message was edited by: Catahoula®
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Re: SIDS, Autism were non existent before the massive increase
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Sep 29, 2023, 2:50 PM
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I have no issues with vaccines. I do have issues with covid vaccines. Its really that simple.
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Re: SIDS, Autism were non existent before the massive increase
Sep 29, 2023, 2:58 PM
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I don't think I am getting any more.
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Re: SIDS, Autism were non existent before the massive increase
Sep 29, 2023, 2:59 PM
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Wise decision.
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Re: SIDS, Autism were non existent before the massive increase
Sep 29, 2023, 3:02 PM
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Don't know if it is or it is not. I made that decision though.
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Re: SIDS, Autism were non existent before the massive increase
Sep 29, 2023, 3:04 PM
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Its wise. At this point many people see the futility in taking more shots.
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Re: mRNA specifically?***
Sep 29, 2023, 3:55 PM
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I think at this point its safe to say its useless to take any of them.
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Re: mRNA specifically?***
Sep 29, 2023, 4:12 PM
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What is your issue with the non-mrna versions?
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Re: mRNA specifically?***
Sep 29, 2023, 5:04 PM
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Dont really have an issue as long as it is personal choice and not mandated. If someone wants to weigh the risk / benefit and get the vaccine fine by me. My position has not changed since December 2020. My wife and I got civid right before the vaccines were available so the decision to trust natural immunity and decline the shot was easy. It has proved to be a sound decision so far.
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Re: mRNA specifically?***
Sep 29, 2023, 5:29 PM
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That is reasonable but you initially said you had a problem with covid vaccines specifically, so you just mean the mandates?
If so, fair enough.
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Re: mRNA specifically?***
Sep 29, 2023, 5:45 PM
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I think there are clearly some problems with the vaccines. I have seen it. So, thats why I say mandates are wrong. Risk/reward must be determined by each person and if the decision is that the reward outweighs the risk then go for it. If the personal decision is risk outweighs reward that needs to be respected as well. If the decision is that the vaccine is not needed based on prior infection (natural immunity) that should be a respected choice as well.
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This study seems antedotal rather than clinical.
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Sep 29, 2023, 3:03 PM
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I'm not saying her info is incorrect, but this surely does not have the feeling of a scientific study, like something that would be published in the NE Journal of Medicine.
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I bet the Illuminati was behind it.
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Sep 29, 2023, 3:04 PM
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They are behind everything.
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