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Tell me whatcha think about this sitch.
Dec 6, 2021, 12:32 PM
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There's a family that lives in my dad's neighborhood, about 2 blocks down the road. Biggest house in the neighborhood, and it was a weird build, I remember it from when we moved there in the '80s. Most of the houses are ~2,500 sq. ft., and this one is pushing 5,000, covered/bricked pull-through driveway, etc.--just doesn't fit in this neighborhood, honestly. They have teenage-ish and younger kids that are constantly riding up and down the streets in an unregistered golf cart and on non-street-legal dirt bikes and whatnot. It's not overly egregious, but it DOES annoy me even though I've never actually seen them do it, because I got pulled on my dirt bike in HS and got SIX (6) tickets, and lost my license for a good chunk of my senior year.
The dad is, anecdotally, and asshole and a bully. My dad stopped the young kids on the golf cart earlier this year or last, and asked the little girl driving how old she was. 10. No adult in the cart, and it doesn't even matter if there was since you have to have a valid driver's license to drive a golf cart on the road. He told her to tell her dad that what she was doing isn't legal and a huge liability if she wrecks or injures someone. The guy came down to Dad's house and threatened him from out in the road. I don't know/remember if Dad reported anything to the police.
So yesterday, I stopped by, and Dad is talking to our 90 year old neighbor, John. John had actually called the cops on these kids on dirt bikes a few hours prior. Cop car went down the road to his house, and the policewoman talked to the dad for 20 minutes or so. She left, and stopped by Dad's and talked to him for another 10 minutes. He told her about this guy's attitude, previous threats, and apparent volatility (remember, Dad has still never called the cops on this family). Policewoman leaves.
About 3 minutes later, dad down the street whips around the corner on a (not-street-legal) dirt bike and stops in front of Dad's house in the road. Dad sitting on the tailgate of his truck with a bourbon and ginger. "Come out here to the street so I can kick your fuckin' ###, you motherfucker!" to my 74 year old dad. Dad, about 20' away, says "Nah, I'm good, come up here." Dad would have pulled his .38 had the guy crossed the sidewalk onto his property, but fortunately, this dickhead seems to understand the concept of property lines and the consequences of crossing them, etc.
I've never even seen this guy, couldn't pick him out of a lineup. Dad clearly isn't scared of him, especially since he's armed, and he's not a hothead, and is FULLY aware of the consequences of pulling the trigger in those kinds of situations, so it would be an absolute last option. It's amusing, but its also bothersome, given the weekly videos of these kinds of confrontations that seem to always end tragically. Police have it on their radar, although I don't know what the policewoman recorded officially yesterday.
What do? Should I go have a word with this gentleman? I doubt it would net anything positive, especially since I'd have no inclination to be nice or reasonable to somebody that literally wants to fistfight my 74 year old dad.
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So aside from the dad's poor attitude, the extent of the
Dec 6, 2021, 12:37 PM
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problem is kids riding around on a 'non legal' golf cart/dirt bike? And this is a neighborhood, not main roads, etc.? I am not sure I understand the problem with them riding around.
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Some of us don't want to have to worry about turning a
Dec 6, 2021, 12:41 PM
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corner in our own neighborhood and making street pizza out of a little kid doing something they're not supposed to.
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Seems like you'd have more of a chance hitting kids walking
Dec 6, 2021, 12:46 PM
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than you would if they were on a golf cart and dirt bike. Assuming they aren't swerving down the road and you aren't doing 55mph. Kids driving around on golf carts, go carts, and little hoverboard things is like a daily occurrence in my neighborhood.
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Oculus Spirit [79260]
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Bikes, skateboards, whatever, don't go as fast and aren't
Dec 6, 2021, 12:48 PM
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whipping it around corners like they tend to do with golf carts and dirtbikes. Least in my neighborhood anyways. My whole thing is, if you don't have a place to ride it, why TF do you have it?
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Sounds like they have a place to ride, some people just
Dec 6, 2021, 12:59 PM
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don't like it. Kids on bikes or skateboards are way less visible than ones on golf carts, I dunno this seems like a big nothing burger to me. Maybe your neighborhood is like Mario Kart dodging kids on motorized vehicles like they're red turtle shells, but it's common and accepted where I live. Frankly, I think it's better for them than sitting inside on Xbox.
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All true as this may be
Dec 6, 2021, 1:06 PM
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a 10 yr old has absolutely zero business driving a golf cart on a road. None.
The parent has NO IDEA what kind of a liability that is. I'd go so far as to say that when the kid is snapchatting on her Iphone 15 and texting from her apple watch while listening to loud music and she flips the cart and gets herself or someone else injured, the parent could be facing some kind of neglect charge.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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ITT I learn I don't want any of you as neighbors
Dec 6, 2021, 1:15 PM
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Maybe the children where I live are more capable people, some of them are even allowed to drive their own jon boats around the cove. Think of the liability there!
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We're talking about a 10 yr old. Not a 14 yr old.
Dec 6, 2021, 1:18 PM
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And certainly not a 16 yr old (which is legal for boat and motor vehicle operation).
A 10 year old. On a street. With cars.
Holler back when you realize your kid in 9 years ain't much more equipped to drive a golf cart on a road with cars than he is right now.
That, and lol at sending a 10 yr old out in a boat with a motor.
JFC, what's the upside?
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I had a boat when I was 10.
Dec 6, 2021, 1:25 PM
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actually closer to 9. I was about 10 or 11 (what is 5th grade?) when I could take it out on my own. It parked in the back of our house in the water and I started working when I was 13 so I could put gas in it.
It was a 14' whaler knockoff with a 25HP Johnson. I even made it a duck hunting boat a few years later. Kept that same boat through college until it got destroyed from hurricane Hugo.
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the younger kid in "Flipper" couldn't have been more than 10***
Dec 6, 2021, 1:26 PM
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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I can't help he was a wussy and couldn't handle a boat***
Dec 6, 2021, 1:27 PM
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pfffft, he was awesome. 10 year old with a dual console
Dec 6, 2021, 1:28 PM
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in salt water, maybe 10 turns from the open ocean.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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Mine was a side console
Dec 6, 2021, 1:33 PM
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heavy, wide, stable, and with a 25hp, slow as Christmas. Later it started holding water in the hull foam, so as the engine got older and weaker, the hull got heavier.
Wouldn't want it now, but still loved that boat.
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Cool. Me too, except I got my first jon boat at 10
Dec 6, 2021, 1:29 PM
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and it had a 9.9 on it.
My folks didn't let me go solo until prolly 12. Even then, I think it was probably within the law.
Times have changed.
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He's getting pretty good in his electric Jeep, I don't think
Dec 6, 2021, 1:28 PM
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we'll have a problem. Lots of kids out there shredding it up on dirt bikes and sidexsides at 7 and 8 years old. Maybe y'all have Woodruff Rd. levels of traffic in your neighborhood and it's different, I dunno. Hell, my cousins 12 year old is probably a better driver than most adults.
What's the upside you ask? Letting them live life? Learning some independence? I was riding a jon boat around in my parents cove by myself when I was 8 or 9, I remember getting my boating license at 12 which meant I could finally leave the cove and go up to the 85 bridge. Possibly the greatest day of my life. I didn't even have a cell phone!
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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'Over powered boat' doesn't really compute, no
Dec 6, 2021, 2:08 PM
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But since you mention it, I like going fast up and down the lake, too. My personal record is 112mph in a 33' DCB. Maybe these issues confuse me because I don't hate America or freedom?
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Can I ask a question here? We don't know these parents,
Dec 6, 2021, 1:24 PM
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much less like them. Why are we suddenly concerned about their financial liability from poor decisions that don't impact us?
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I was more talking possible criminal liability.
Dec 6, 2021, 1:28 PM
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10 yr old flips golf cart and serious injury happens to 10 yr old kid. Or 10 yr old kid driving golf cart is hit by car and seriously injured (mabye not even the kid's fault).
Parent that knowingly allows the kid to drive gonna have some trouble to face.
Again I ask....what is the upside to letting a 10 yr old drive a golf cart on a road with cars?
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You're absolutely, positively correct.
Dec 6, 2021, 1:31 PM
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Unless death is imminent though (doesn't seem to be) or something is negatively impacting me and mine, I just don't typically feel compelled to tell strangers about the bed that they're making for themselves to lay in. 19B's Dad did nothing wrong here, but is there a scenario where the parent gets the message from the kid and goes "wow, legal liability....never thought about that...thanks random old guy for scolding my kid, much appreciated"
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I get your point...
Dec 6, 2021, 1:25 PM
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But we had a little turd muffin on a gas cart with no roof who kept zipping around and driving recklessly. He was about 8, I think. He almost killed himself a few times and came close to hitting others. He lived in an adjacent neighborhood, and his parents could give two ##### about it. Like 19B's person, dad would get hostile about it but not threatening violence or anything.
It finally took a very real visit from law enforcement to make it stop.
I'm down with leaving people alone but sometimes their little crotch goblin has to be dealt with when the parents won't do it.
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I get it if they're driving reckless, but I figured that
Dec 6, 2021, 1:34 PM
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would have been mentioned if it were the case. In that situation I definitely understand. I don't understand getting upset over anyone under the age of 16 operating one, however.
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Re: I get it if they're driving reckless, but I figured that
Dec 6, 2021, 1:42 PM
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Yeah, I see some young uns driving em in the hood sometimes and they're obeying the laws, so I find it's best to just leave it alone.
I mean, I've never broken the law driving my golf cart. Right. Yeah. Never.
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I guess. Old people gonna old.
Dec 6, 2021, 12:42 PM
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Again, Dad hasn't ever called the cops on them. But he's also a by-the-book attorney, so him asking a little girl driving a golf cart how old she is doesn't surprise me. It's definitely an "older" and quieter neighborhood--more 60s-80s people than families with kids, if I had to guess.
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The situation can be as benign as you describe. But it can
Dec 6, 2021, 12:54 PM
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also be much more than a nuisance. Kids pilled into very fast street golf carts sounds like Buffy in a gated community, fun and quaint if entitled. But in our neighborhood it was not that. Somebody was going to get killed.
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Why was somebody going to get killed?
Dec 6, 2021, 1:04 PM
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I am getting a chortle imagining a bunch of middle class white kids riding around Spaulding Farms like
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Re: Why was somebody going to get killed?
Dec 6, 2021, 1:32 PM
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We had a buddy in our hood who was drunk one night and ####### on his phone in his cart. He smoked a median and got launched out. Hit his head something good and needed stitches. We have a good laugh about it now, but we realize he could have been more seriously injured or killed. Some carts have been sped up enough to go 24 mph or more. Doesn't seem like much until you hit something and you're not strapped in.
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Mine will do almost 30. Wish it was faster
Dec 6, 2021, 1:45 PM
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There's a guy in my hood who has an electric one that will touch 40. We haven't had any accidents to my knowledge, although I did roll my dad's golf cart 15 years ago or so and he beat me with the windshield.
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Yeah talking to him about it won't go anywhere. What you
Dec 6, 2021, 12:40 PM
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should do is go over to his house and suck his c>ock. That will really show him. Then after he finishes call him a fa>g and belittle him mercilessly.
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This is the way***
Dec 6, 2021, 12:43 PM
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Give him time. He'll get embarassed you called him a ###
Dec 6, 2021, 12:48 PM
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and move.
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Words will never change this guys actions.
Dec 6, 2021, 12:40 PM
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Your dad needs to harrass this guy to the fullest extent that any authority gives him access to (cops, HOA, etc) and watch him explode (assuming your pops feels safe doing it).
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Or alternatively, you could go over there with your dad
Dec 6, 2021, 1:02 PM
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around 2am and stand guard/flash out this guys ring camera with a laser pointer while your dad takes a giant old man dump on his front porch.
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Judas Priest, Martha! It's one of those flaming bags again!***
Dec 6, 2021, 7:37 PM
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I'd tell your dad to stop all involvement.
Dec 6, 2021, 12:42 PM
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No upside, dude is getting upset, etc.
Kids are driving golf carts in the neighborhood. I think it's BS for a 10 yr old to be doing that, but I'd never say anything to the kid or parent.
Maybe chop another tree for PEN15s.
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Get a restraining order.
Dec 6, 2021, 12:42 PM
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that will really #### him off.
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^^^ This
Dec 6, 2021, 12:54 PM
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Report it to the police, even video the guy if you can. Not sure how it is down there, but in Aiken County you have to have three reports to the police in order to get a court date for a restraining order (trust me, I know all too well). Not only will this infuriate him, there is hardly any other sweetness in the world that can compare to having someone arrested for violating a restraining order (trust me on this one as well I can promise you this, the guy won’t stop letting his kids run around or acting like a jackas$ if you don’t take some sort of action.
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The lesson I learned from your poast is that
Dec 6, 2021, 12:57 PM
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redheads be cray?
Did I get that right?
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No no no.
Dec 6, 2021, 1:25 PM
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Religious zealot psychopaths that are married to redheads be crazy.
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Re: Tell me whatcha think about this sitch.
Dec 6, 2021, 12:44 PM
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Your dad is a wise one. The situation is only resolved when someone gets a ticket or, sadly, someone gets hurt.
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Seems to me this could solved by having a cocktail party.
Dec 6, 2021, 12:50 PM
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A molotov cocktail party, that is.
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After thinking about it only 20 seconds, and responding
Dec 6, 2021, 12:50 PM
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only to your question, no, I wouldn't go talk to him. He will not respond well. He'll make it about you.
His comment to your dad - come out here so I can kick your ###, you MF - is probably illegal. Whether your dad wants to use that to get a restraining order or something like that is something he'll decide, but from what you've said about your dad, he won't do it. Respect for that. Unless it gets worse.
But yes, the neighbors should keep calling the cops on illegal vehicles and drivers. They will involve someone else in an accident at some point. The same issue existed in our neighborhood, primarily adolescent girls in golf carts, which are more status symbols than transportation. The carts, I mean. A couple of phone calls from the neighborhood guardian - every neighborhood has one - got it stopped. Apparently the city police don't like it either, so do respond to those calls.
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Maybe if he complains about it enough, his town can get a
Dec 6, 2021, 12:52 PM
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dedicated "golf cart crimes" cop like Mt P had/has.
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I'd leave him alone, and if something else happens
Dec 6, 2021, 1:02 PM
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that warrants it, go through the police and let them talk to him.
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Re: Tell me whatcha think about this sitch.
Dec 6, 2021, 1:04 PM
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-Have your dad remove himself from all involvement. Eventually someone else will complain or have an incident with them.
-File a report for the threat. File a restraining order since it's two unwanted contact incidents. If he shows up again, video it.
-If they cause any damage to your dad's property, press charges.
-Make sure the HOA is fully aware of the situation. They will often get police more involved and now it's there problem as it's a liability to them.
-Any time this neighbor has a party, form a network with other neighbors and take turns calling noise complaints.
-Every so often, fill out anonymous drug tips with the local cops and say something seems suspicious. Get a few others to do it.
-And, you know, if you want, send me the guy's name and I'll pull as much of a background check on him that I can. See if he has a record.
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You are missing a really big part of the equation
Dec 6, 2021, 1:05 PM
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How hot is his wife and does your Dad have nudes of her yet? Can you share them?
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Get him to post it on NextDoor or the neighborhood FB page
Dec 6, 2021, 1:08 PM
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But tell him to be super passive aggressive about it. That'll show him.
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All of these posts and not a single one with the correct...
Dec 6, 2021, 1:12 PM
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advice...which is to burn his house down.
I'm really disappointed in the effort shown here.
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Poop on the dirt bike and buttfuck his wife
Dec 6, 2021, 1:12 PM
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HTH
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Whoops.
Dec 6, 2021, 1:16 PM
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Switched the verbs around, and now this is awkward. Especially for the dirt bike.
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I really enjoyed this thread, it was a real thrill ride.
Dec 6, 2021, 1:17 PM
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Saw Lakebum's initial response and was expecting some sort of hotheaded retaliation suggestion for the Dad, but he totally zigged and basically implied your Pops was a busybody and seemed to say "Don't want noshit don't start noshit" which is solid life advice too.
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The bigger problem here to me isn't the kids on golf carts
Dec 6, 2021, 1:21 PM
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It's the jack-ass down the street threatening people. That dude needs dealing with.
My real advice 19B® is to randomly kick this guysass, because it sounds like he needs it.
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I'll add that another problem here is 74 yr olds
Dec 6, 2021, 1:22 PM
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without badges policing traffic laws.
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Frankly, while I don't condone trying to fistfight a 74
Dec 6, 2021, 1:47 PM
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year old, I understand raging out because somebody called the cops on your kid riding around the neighborhood on a golf cart. I'm guessing he didn't know who did it and just made the assumption it was papa19B.
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All-In [42196]
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19B already pointed out the real issue with fighting...
Dec 6, 2021, 2:35 PM
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An old man. You try to brawl a geezer, expect to catch a bullet.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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A life sentence kind changes its meaning as you get that old***
Dec 6, 2021, 3:54 PM
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Heisman Winner [135616]
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The neighbor guy needs counseling.
Dec 6, 2021, 1:22 PM
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Which, I'm happy to help arrange. With some caring motorcycle enthusiasts from Gastonia. And, they're licensed.
Well, to operate motorcycles, anyway.
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All-In [47799]
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sue the #######***
Dec 6, 2021, 1:27 PM
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All-In [46825]
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I think there's a lot of Karens ITT***
Dec 6, 2021, 1:35 PM
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CU Medallion [66085]
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This is EXACTLY what I'd do if I were you
Dec 6, 2021, 2:13 PM
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I (19B®) would walk down to that dudes house, ask him to step outside and when he does, start taking off your clothes and tell him what a good time you both are going to have consummating your relationship.
Dude will not even look at your dad's house ever again
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Heisman Winner [137976]
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Already S'd his D.
Dec 6, 2021, 2:18 PM
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Do I REALLY need to go through this again? He knows he's gay now.
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Oculus Spirit [78892]
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when you know the golf cart is coming down the road
Dec 6, 2021, 2:34 PM
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throw one of these out
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All-TigerNet [13764]
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A plugged soaker hose?***
Dec 6, 2021, 2:52 PM
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CU Medallion [60234]
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Lot o points [155944]
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Hey 19B, thought about something else.
Dec 6, 2021, 5:07 PM
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19B®
After the solid advice from pops, kid likely thought she was in trouble. Kids who think they’re in trouble lie. By the time the story was relayed to her Dad, it likely involved your dad pointing his gun at her, yanking her off the cart and threatening her within an inch of her life. So keep in mind that ahole Dad is probably operating on bad intel.
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