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SEC Bluster
Sep 4, 2022, 2:45 PM
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Looking at all the crowing that is going on about the SEC starting 12-0...Just some thoughts to put it into perspective>>> (yes, I know, there is no defense for how NC St, Va Tech, and UNC looked this weekend, in their road games).
The two ranked teams from the PAC 12 that they beat, were greatly over-ranked to begin the season...Typical with how the services want the SEC to look better, so their opponents are always over ranked to start...
Think I am just blowing smoke? Then look at last year's records...Utah was 10-4 (3-2 in 2020), with a bad loss to an Oregon St team! They also lost to San Diego St and BYU, both OK, but not ending in top 40 of teams. They did play respectable in the bowl game vs Ohio St, but we know that Ohio st was also down last year. Their points scored to given up was only 36-22 last year...they have not had a defense in many moons. The other teams they played were also rans.
Oregon, was even worse! They were also 10-4 (4-3 in 2020), but they lost to a terrible Stanford team! And they lost twice to Utah (see above), by 28 and 31 points. They also played well in their bowl game vs Oklahoma, but we also know they were not their best (thus, firing their coaches!). Their point scored to allowed numbers were only 31.4-27!!!!
And then Arkansas also played at home and defeated Cincinnati by 7, which may or may not be a good team... The best team on Cincinnati's remaining schedule is Indiana, so their record will be good.
And, you look at the coots who's offense scored only two touchdowns, and two field goals against that Georgia St defense, did not get any sacks, while allowing 3. Rattler had to scramble on just about every play. And the Georgia St total yardage was greater than the coots. State also had many more penalties and yards, and they were at critical times
They were great wins by the SEC teams, playing at home...but let's not overinflate the significance of these wins... When they say "we beat three ranked teams" keep all of this in mind. Yeah, I know it is "sour grapes" I am just trying to say, let's look at these wins in a couple of months to see just how good they were...
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Re: SEC Bluster
Sep 4, 2022, 2:57 PM
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You have a lot of people on TNET who have drank the Jim Jones SEC Kool Aid.
People say, "you can't argue with what they have done on the field"! I agree with that to a degree; but dang, don't act like every team in the SEC is a title contender - which they aren't!
The Big 10 gets a pass on having an entire league that can't challenge Ohio St. consistently. At least, the best in the ACC has stood up to the best in the SEC to win National Championships in the modern era. I know OSU beat Bama in 14 but who else?
Two ACC squads beat two SEC teams for Titles. That doesn't get talked about though; because so many people only want to hype up SEC accomplishments.
They deserve credit; but it does get nausiating at times at how "heavy they lay it on"!
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Bama makes the SEC look very dominant.
Sep 5, 2022, 10:17 AM
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Put them in ACC and the ACC looks dominant. SEC has good teams but they can’t beat Bama consistently just like no one else in the country can consistently beat them. It pains to say but Sabans run is pretty amazing in modern era sports.
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Re: Bama makes the SEC look very dominant.
Sep 5, 2022, 10:20 AM
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Yes, however 3 different teams from the SEC have one the NC over a 4 year span. What other conference can say that?
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OP is right! That's all.
Sep 5, 2022, 11:32 AM
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Yes, however 3 different teams from the SEC have one the NC over a 4 year span. What other conference can say that?
None.
To answer your question.
My question is; why on earth does the ACC get compared to the SEC? Most people won't argue the success at the top of that league. But, how many different teams from the Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12 can say that either!
I go back to 2000 and and the picture of how silly people are with their perceptions of the ACC teams is ludicrious. Considering only Ohio State has won or played for a National Championship in that span of years. Are you kidding me? But, the ACC doesn't get compared to that ineptness:"oh no"!
During that same span "current ACC members" Miami(01, 02), VT(00), FSU(13), Clemson(15,16,18,19) which Stevie Wonder can see speaks to more parody. 1 ball club vs 4 in the same span.
The Big 12 had Oklahoma and Texas in 01 and 05 and nothing!
The Pac 12 had Southern Cal in 03(shared), 04 and Oregon played for it in 2014.
Plus, I believe FSU had the longest streak of top 5 finishes in CFB at one point. Likely broken by only Alabama now.
It's just a general overreaction every time an ACC team loses in my opinion. Duke beat the big 10 west champs a couple years ago in Illinois ( and people were not saying how strong the ACC was to have beaten the Big 10 west champ). It's all perception and getting compared to: Alabama, Georgia, Florida or LSU when they are good! Not: Missouri, SCAR, Kentucky,Vanderbilt, Miss St, Ole Miss, Arkansas.
By the numbers - and modern football era - I don't see any other conference doing any better! Yet, all you hear about is how bad the ACC is! It's crazy!
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Re: SEC Bluster
Sep 4, 2022, 3:01 PM
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I guess there was a point to all that bluster, as you say, but it escapes me. The SEC does not pay voters to overrate teams in polls. The SEC does not pay Pre Season magazines to overrate teams. We are not even finished with the 1st weekend of football and any conclusions are vastly premature. Look at the season after the next 5 weeks and then some conclusions might have some merit then.
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Re: SEC Bluster
Sep 4, 2022, 3:22 PM
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Which is what I said, with proof that the teams should not have been ranked that high, to prevent others from trying to prove otherwise...
And I never said that the SEC pays the pollsters, or magazines...but we all KNOW that SEC opponents get the benefit of the doubt every year, the week before they play ranked SEC teams, to draw more interest in those games.
And I am glad you did not say that the SEC teams have not paid their players for years!
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Re: SEC Bluster
Sep 4, 2022, 3:25 PM
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I think subjecting us to that same 2021 analysis would lead you to conclude we are over ranked at #4.
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Re: SEC Bluster
Sep 4, 2022, 4:18 PM
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No, We had nearly half of our schollies out by the coot game. We played a lot of freshmen last season, even starting two true freshmen and Swinney in the coot game. We finished at 10-3, a better record, and our defense is rated one of, if not the best in the nation, something neither of those two can come close to saying...and our scoring vs allowing was 26.3-14.8, with the defense being second with all those injuries. We held Georgia's offense to 3 points, with starters out. Every team we lost to was a close game, and they all went to bowls, The worst team we lost to was NC St, which finished 9-4. And our starting quarterback was playing through injuries, and had different receivers out there for just about every game. And our record in 2020 was much better, still getting to the playoffs. Looking at all of this, it is obvious the other two teams were overrated.
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Re: SEC Bluster
Sep 5, 2022, 10:03 AM
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Yeah, defense was great.
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Re: SEC Bluster
Sep 4, 2022, 3:26 PM
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The fact of the matter is though Utah and Oregon are two of the better teams in the PAC 12. Oregon has been one of if not the best program on the west coast in recent history….they didn’t even belong on the same field as UGA.
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Re: SEC Bluster
Sep 4, 2022, 3:30 PM
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All about the money. Viewership. As valley and others have said, yourself included, wait 5 or 6 weeks in and then see what the polls are.
If one really wants a fair poll, look at the composite team talent that dhood published in an article.
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Re: SEC Bluster
Sep 4, 2022, 6:02 PM
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Just curious, but who would you have ranked above Utah and Oregon?
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Re: SEC Bluster
Sep 4, 2022, 6:27 PM
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I would not have put Oregon in top 30, and would have Utah maybe around 22. I can think of maybe 6 SEC, 4 ACC, 5 Big 10, 5 Big 12, and ND that I would have put ahead of Utah, then several more that would have come before Oregon.
Utah should win the rest of their games, with the toughest opponent they play Arizona St or USC. With a schedule like theirs, even the coots would win 8-9.
Oregon should win maybe 8-9 on the season. If the coots played they schedule, they would win 7-8. The toughest games they have remaining are Utah, Washington, UCLA, and BYU, all home games for Oregon.
Georgia, Clemson, Bama, Ohio St, and many other teams would all go undefeated, easily, with their schedules (minus games against each other, of course.)
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Re: SEC Bluster
Sep 4, 2022, 7:29 PM
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Yeah, not sure anyone can buy that. I mean 6 SEC teams? Even if so, that kinda flies in the face of your whole "SEC Bluster" argument. And 4 ACC teams? No way. Clemson certainly, but who else? Certainly not 1-year wonders (at least so far) NC St, Pitt or Wake; certainly not Miami (the most perennially overrated team of the last 20 years). 5 Big 10 teams? Ohio St & Michigan sure, but they were ranked higher already; maybe Michigan St (and they were ranked just a few spots behind), but who else? Not Wisconsin or Penn St. And 5 Big 12 teams? You gotta be kidding there! And ND was ranked higher than both already.
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ESPiN is full of monkey manure.
Sep 4, 2022, 9:31 PM
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I do not, for the life of me, understand why people watch ESPiN knowing that they'll get monkey dung on them.
I do not watch any TV with commercials. If there's a program showing which I want to see I record it and FF through the commercials. ESPiN is all commercial, it's their business to grow their business and that means inflating their product which is the SEC.
Maroons watch ESPiN then come to Clemson's premier website and complain about ESPiN which gives them attention. Why not ignore their broadcast, record them and FF on mute so you can avoid coming here and advertising for them after they insult your intelligence?
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