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Orange Blooded [3881]
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Realistic view of who Clemson is:
Dec 3, 2013, 9:38 AM
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We just aren't championship material, we will win some games and lose some games and periodically win an ACC championship when FSU has a down year. We simply can't out recruit FSU in the talent rich state of Fla., we can get a couple of players here and there but can't stock the shelves like they can. This staff does not have the ability to consistantly win the big games, therefore, we must realize who and what we are---an above average program that is fun to watch but will not win anything of any real significance. The staff has been out coached and has not been able to put the players in postion to win or make the necessary in game adjustments to compete with other coaching staffs. The sooner we accept reality, the better we will be able to cope with the program as it stands right now. GO TIGERS!!
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if periodically winning the ACC means we're not....
Dec 3, 2013, 9:43 AM
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championship material then this one's on me. But I refuse to take the blame.
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Re: if periodically winning the ACC means we're not....
Dec 3, 2013, 9:47 AM
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championship material- regalia is not but orange is. 
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Re: if periodically winning the ACC means we're not....
Dec 3, 2013, 2:36 PM
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agreed.
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Re: Realistic view of who Clemson is:
Dec 3, 2013, 9:45 AM
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Periodically, like once every 25 years?
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Disagree
Dec 3, 2013, 9:49 AM
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We are a top 10-12 program and are setup to be one for the next several years. I much prefer playing in the bigger bowls and winning 10 games than winning 6-7 and playing on the blue turf. One year we will catch some breaks and will get in the playoff.
It sucks to lose 5 in a row, but I would rather be where Clemson is than where they are any day!
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Re: Disagree
Dec 3, 2013, 9:54 AM
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Good points but too much about the coots. Forget them. They're losers and we know it! What are WE going to and Need to do to improve. I believe we need new OC and DC.
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Re: USCheat will never win a sec football championship
Dec 3, 2013, 10:08 AM
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Well, we can win an ACC title at least once every 20 years, so I guess we can feel a lot better, while losing to them every year?
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18-1
Dec 3, 2013, 10:12 AM
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Never.
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FSU "periodically wins the ACC" as well...***
Dec 3, 2013, 9:45 AM
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Re: Realistic view of who Clemson is:
Dec 3, 2013, 9:52 AM
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I believe your assessment is spot on. however, I would look into the details. Our problems, IMO, are in the OC and DC positions. Dabo is young and will get better plus all the great things he does for the school count big IMO.
Re the current OC and DC. They are over matched in every competitive game. Zero OC would call that Sammy play in the first quarter. A top OC would read the tea leaves and see that we could run through the coots and then run/throw around and over them. We simply did not use the run enough. Morris is too intent on the number of plays, tricks plays rather than playing basic football and modifying the play calling based on the game situation and opponent.
The DC is just clueless. To say he had no answers for Shaw is beyond my ability to comprehend. Again, too set in HIS ways, not flexible enough, lacks game planning skills, etc. Going into that coot game he should have said to himself that we may lose but SHAW WILL NOY BEAT us and then devise the ways to stop him. Spy/Scout using a DB in needed, teaching our DE's to use the box approach in rushing the passer to contain Shaw inside, etc.etc. None of this was done and we end up on the short end.
Should DAbo keep these 2 clowns look for a similar result next year. They simply don't get it.
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Re: Realistic view of who Clemson is:
Dec 3, 2013, 1:48 PM
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You are exactly right about the stats that Chad shoots for...he has told us them: 80 plays is the target for the offense and this kills our defense. They do not get enough rest when they face a team that has both the run game and passing game to keep the ball from us. The coots have taken advantage of this just look at the time diffenrence each year...it is lopsided! Then throw in a turnover and our defense is right back out there for another 5-8 mins...they were dead tired at the end of the coot game each year! Something has to change!
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Re: Realistic view of who Clemson is:
Dec 3, 2013, 2:46 PM
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I agree the play calling and execution has hurt Clemson when they play teams with equal (or better) talent.
I also think there is reason that Morris and Venables were not retained or given head coaching positions at their respective Universities. That's not to say that they won't do good, (or even eventually great) things at Clemson.
But Morris is old enough to be a head coach by now, and Dabo is too inexperienced to be a head coach of a program that is serious about winning championships.
Perhaps Clemson should promote Morris to head coach and demote Dabo to offensive coordinator/head coach in waiting.
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Re: Realistic view of who Clemson is:
Dec 3, 2013, 9:53 AM
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Clemson is funded athletically to be in the middle of the acc.Also our coaches are not allowed a huge number of special admits. We played 3 teams this hear .that out spend us and have more special admission players. O ur record was 1 and 2 against those teams.
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Re: Realistic view of who Clemson is:
Dec 3, 2013, 9:58 AM
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When Dabo figures out that your offense can be no better than your offensive line, and that power running backs wear down the defense, and a dominating disruptive defense is the best pass defense you can get, we may get to the next level. When he figures out that football is an intense physical game where the strong dominate the weak, we may become national contenders. In the meantime, we will go after more wide receivers and quarterbacks, be 2nd in the ACC, and lose to our rival because of turnovers.
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Re: Realistic view of who Clemson is:
Dec 3, 2013, 10:03 AM
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I'm sure FSU was saying the same thing last year. They couldn't beat Florida, and they'd always fail to take care of business against someone like NC State.
The truth is college football is unpredictable. No one expected Auburn or Missouri to be in the SEC Championship game, and yet they made it. There are a lot of good teams out there, and it's not realistic to win a championship or go undefeated every year. It's a good goal to have, but there aren't enough championships to give out to keep everyone happy.
Our coaching staff is fine and our recruiting is still trending up. Morris and Venables are two of the top coordinators in college football and Dabo is an excellent recruiter and representative for the program. We've lost one game in the past 2 years that we were favored to win. We're consistently winning the games we should, and now we just need to win our home games against the other top programs.
You have to remember, a team like FSU has been a top-10 program for the past sseveral decades. We had a few top-10 type seasons since the 80's, but this is the first time we've strung together 3 straight great seasons in a row in quite some time. Dabo has brought the consistency to this program that it takes to eventually hit that magical season where it only takes one special player like a Jameis Winston or a Cam Newton or a Tim Tebow to come along and lead you to a national title.
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they are 3-1 against florida in the last 4 meetings.***
Dec 3, 2013, 10:12 AM
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CU Guru [1950]
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Yes, but that's counting this year...
Dec 3, 2013, 10:23 AM
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I said "I'm sure FSU was saying the same thing last year."
2004- UF wins 20-13
2005- UF wins 34-7
2006- UF wins 21-14
2007- UF wins 45-12
2008- UF wins 45-15
2009- UF wins 37-10
2010- FSU wins 31-7
2011- FSU wins 21-7
2012- UF wins 37-26
They'd lost 7 of their last 9 to the Gators. I doubt they were feeling all that confident after last season, especially knowing they would be starting a freshman QB.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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they pushed a hof coach out of the door because of it.
Dec 3, 2013, 10:31 AM
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maybe we should do the same with a non hof coach?
i hope coach swinney is at clemson for his entire career. he's earned some patience, but the 2 teams that stand in his team's way of greatness own a 9-3 record against; that's me including his only win against scar as interim.
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Re: Realistic view of who Clemson is:
Dec 3, 2013, 10:15 AM
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D is the key and we are recruiting much better in that regard; Venebles has improved our D considerably in two years and should be even better next year. O is fun to watch but a dominate top 20 D is what really wins games consistently.
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I say hogwash. We have just as much going for us to
Dec 3, 2013, 10:08 AM
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take it to the top as anyone else. Setbacks don't bother me. What bothers me are people who quit or give up before they even get started.
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Absoluetly I agree! We can be the best but
Dec 3, 2013, 10:18 AM
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you can't give up. We have to work a little harder and be a little more smarter.
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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I'm a 15 year IPTAY member and not quitting by any means! I
Dec 3, 2013, 1:40 PM
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have just come to the conclusion that this is what we are capable of and that this is how it is going to be. I suppose that I'm wrong to be disappointed and to have my own opinion----that's fine, I just don't believe that we will be able to win a NC with what we have. 10-2 and probably going to the OB----are you?
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A college who hired a wide receivers coach and expected more***
Dec 3, 2013, 10:24 AM
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We should have hired PJ, right? lutz***
Dec 3, 2013, 10:46 AM
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Back in 2006, yes.***
Dec 3, 2013, 10:47 AM
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Thanks for providing the lulz.***
Dec 3, 2013, 10:52 AM
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The only lulz are when those of you who expect to
Dec 3, 2013, 10:55 AM
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win big games come on here and complain after we fold like a cheap tent. Maybe you should focus on that instead of something I suggested nearly a decade ago, which may or may not have turned out well. I personally think we'd be a dominant team had we hired PJ way back when, but who knows. His time at GT is completely irrelevant.
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His time at GT is irrelevent because it makes you look dumb.***
Dec 3, 2013, 11:02 AM
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Actually it doesn't.
Dec 3, 2013, 11:06 AM
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I said he would win the ACC championship before Tommy Bowden, and I was right. I could have never predicted the BS that has happened at GT since then.
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I don't know why but, this gets funnier. Bring it!***
Dec 3, 2013, 11:16 AM
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You shouldn't laugh at the 'special' ones...***
Dec 3, 2013, 3:05 PM
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Realistic view relative to what?
Dec 3, 2013, 10:27 AM
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We have a top 25 University a top 25 ranked football team and both consider integrity a #1 priority.
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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relative to National Championship aspirations....I don't
Dec 3, 2013, 1:43 PM
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think we are worthy of that kind of talk as long as we consistantly lose games in the fashion that we do.
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Re: Realistic view of who Clemson is:
Dec 3, 2013, 10:50 AM
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What a ridiculous post. And I thought I was somewhat of a pessimistic fan. Do you honestly believe what you just wrote? Because I definitely do not. Our program is most definitely headed in the right direction. We have a head coach that is young, energetic, likeable, and has truly changed the culture at Clemson. Not only can he recruit, but the players also want to play for the guy. He has made two great coordinator hires in Venables and Morris. We have won back to back to back 10+ wins season for the first time in over 20 years. We may not consistently get the same type of recruiting classes as Florida State, but we will get our fair share and should always be able to field a very talented team. For example, Auburn consistently gets top 10 recruiting classes and there is no reason to say that we won't be able to do the same going forward. All it takes is a couple of impact players in order for any particular team to compete for a national championship. That's exactly what Auburn did with Cam Newton and Nick Fairley.
I really can't understand your logic for making that post.
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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your last part proved my point!! Auburn won a NC a few years
Dec 3, 2013, 2:29 PM
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back----went through a 3 win season and now they're BACK in the championship picture while we have struggled to get back to that level after 30 YEARS!!! We are not on the same level as Auburn nor any of the other championship contenders level!
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Orange Blooded [2218]
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Re: your last part proved my point!! Auburn won a NC a few years
Dec 3, 2013, 2:40 PM
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But we we're in the championship picture for a while all under Dabo. We had two visits from Gameday IN ONE SEASON. ONE SEASON. Clemson is top 10 program. Please just stop donating to Iptay and go pull for Alabama. You'd fit in better there.
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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Corey, you are an internet big man but you'll not tell me
Dec 3, 2013, 3:14 PM
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what to do and when to do it.
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Gameday does not equal championship hype
Dec 3, 2013, 2:54 PM
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Besides, they were mainly there for FSU the second time anyway.
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Re: Gameday does not equal championship hype
Dec 3, 2013, 3:00 PM
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Get the hell out of here coot. Do you have a job? Let me know when that dump of a town Columbia gets Gameday twice? Go back to 5 points, your drunk.
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