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Ready to admit it.
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We are worse than is being acknowledged, and worse than I thought, seeing the teams that beat us get beat by other mediocre teams, it’s time to hit the urgency button, please whoever is leading this program make DRASTIC changes, and we must get better schemes in place on offense and defense
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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It's not the schemes it's the talent
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Oct 25, 2025, 2:33 PM
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It's almost everything, IMHO.
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Oct 25, 2025, 2:40 PM
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It’s both. We’ve hardly changed the Clemson playbook in 10 years.
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Gridiron Giant [15608]
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Thats literally one of the funniest things Ive ever read here.***
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Re: Thats literally one of the funniest things Ive ever read here.***
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Oct 25, 2025, 5:55 PM
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Glad I could bring a smile to your face…
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Re: Thats literally one of the funniest things Ive ever read here.***
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Though agreeing w Mike is hard 😉, he’s right. Remember complaining about tunnel screens? We ran them constantly along w RPO. This o is nothing like that. Is it imaginative? No. Is there much motion? No. Misdirection ? No. But this o looks nothing like even 5 years ago. That’s a fact.
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Re: Thats literally one of the funniest things Ive ever read here.***
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Oct 27, 2025, 12:13 AM
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Or get more receivers hurt ..
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Re: Thats literally one of the funniest things Ive ever read here.***
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So what’s your take Mike? We don’t need to do anything? Or still we’re just a QB away? You have some sort of snarky remark to anything short of pumping sunshine yet I’ve never even seen anything remotely resembling a rational thought on the problems our program is facing or what’s needed to fix them.
Or are you just saying the on field product this year up to the standard and we should be grateful?
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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It most certainly is on offense. We don’t have the talent to run the full Allen defense because of all the fall back recruits taken on defense instead of portal players.
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Game Changer [2061]
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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No it's Talent on offense. We can't run the ball on anybody and that's why we're not winning.
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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I don’t think much of your opinion. I’ll leave it there.
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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It doesn't matter what you think of it. It's correct.
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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I sort of think my opinion means more than yours, because I’m smarter than you. JMO
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Game Changer [2061]
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Oct 25, 2025, 3:32 PM
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You're not smarter than me, or most people.
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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We will just have to agree to disagree then. I think most people realize it’s talent and coaching. Not one or the other. But you can continue to be wrong, I won’t stop you.
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Game Changer [2061]
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Now your back tracking. That's because you can't make a rational argument you can only make personal insults.
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Tiger Spirit [9408]
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Sorry, but you're insane.
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Oct 25, 2025, 5:51 PM
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If you think teams like syracuse, smu, duke, gt, and wake forest have better talent than clemson. For that to be even close to true, our composite talent rating would have to be impossibly inaccurate and clemson would have had to have missed on nearly every kid we signed the past several cycles. 4 and 5 star kids that virtually every program in the country wanted mind you.
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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You need to reread our exchanges my brother in orange. Get back to me and tell me what you learned? lmao
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Oct 26, 2025, 10:23 AM
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Spiller is a hall of fame player but he isn’t a running backs coach. We have to get the running game back and we will be ok.
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Redshirt [90]
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Offense needs
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Oct 26, 2025, 7:20 AM
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Speed
Route running
Hands
And to play more vertical…..JMO
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Agree we have to use the portal
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National Champion [7162]
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What a dumb comment. Its everything.
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Watch Eric Mac Lain’s film study. The latest has 33 plays. On 22 of them he admits he “has no idea what the scheme is” or “no idea what they drew up here.” Thats schemes.
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Game Changer [2061]
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Re: What a dumb comment. Its everything.
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No it's not a dumb comment. There are a lot a player is on the team who are not fast and athletic. No scheme in the world is going to change that.
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Re: What a dumb comment. Its everything.
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Disagree. Good scheme will be at better talent. I mean, that's how we've been beat this year
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Game Changer [2061]
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Re: What a dumb comment. Its everything.
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You're also assuming it's a bad scheme, and not just bad execution by players, who aren't that good.
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National Champion [7162]
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Re: What a dumb comment. Its everything.
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The more you talk, the dumber you sound. Scheme and ability are two different things. Scheme is how the coaches tell them to line up, which direction the coaches tell them to block, which shifts the coaches tell them to make, have a which lanes the coaches teach them to hit. And for the most part, our players are doing what they’re told. Again. Just stop.
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Re: What a dumb comment. Its everything.
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You're an idiot...
Cade missing wide open WRs on a post is ability not scheme...
Woodaz and Brown getting washed in and losing outside leverage on outside runs is ability...not scheme
Parker and Heldt losing outside containment on edge runs is ability, not scheme.
Learn the difference between the two before you attack people you lush.
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Re: What a dumb comment. Its everything.
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On well coached teams, LBs and DEs don’t lose leverage on outside runs or lose containment on outside runs. Woodaz and (especially Brown and McCloud) are faster than the average CFB LB. Heldt, Lawson, Parker, and Denhoff are all faster than the DEs on most teams.
Certainly, our LBs and DEs are faster than those in W.Forest (which stoned LSU and took GA Tech to OT), Stanford (which beat FSU and has put up a strong defense thus far vs Miami), GA Tech, etc etc etc. You gotta watch the games and notice things other than who has the ball in his hands at any given moment to see this. (FWIW, most fans just follow the ball. You’re not alone being among them.)
When the LBs and DEs are aligned improperly for what the offense is showing, or when they don’t realign properly pre-snap when the offense goes through shifts and pre-snap motions, then that is a scheme problem. When LBs and DEs run, post-snap to the wrong places, then this is not indicative of a lack of player talent.
It is indicative of substandard coaching.
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Game Changer [2061]
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Re: What a dumb comment. Its everything.
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And the ability is the problem. It doesn't matter what kind of scheme you run if you don't have the ability to execute it.
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National Champion [7162]
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Re: What a dumb comment. Its everything.
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K
🤦♂️
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National Champion [7955]
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We got more talent than WF.
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Clemson Sports Icon [54051]
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We arent as talented as we used to be
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but we are still way more talented than most teams we play.
Coaching is our biggest problem.
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National Champion [7895]
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Re: We arent as talented as we used to be
Oct 27, 2025, 12:23 AM
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Bingo JK .. too many friends and family on the gravy train and not enough experienced assistant coaches. Poor coaching: failure to adapt to todays game (portal), no development, best players not on the field (see friends and family), poor strength and conditioning and poor recruiting (no speed or dogs) and soft.
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You are correct
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Who on our team could take a starters’ position at Tex A&M? No one. Their starters are better at every position than our starters. Our only starters that would have a chance are Wesco, Moore or maybe one of our TEs on offense and Sammy on D. The lack of talent combined with inept coaching & development are why the program has collapsed. Our problems won’t be corrected quickly because of the stubbornness of CDS. Folks discussing the whole CV vs CK going forward is a perfect example. There is absolutely no reason that CV shouldn’t start going forward. He’s proven he’s no worse than CK and he’s the immediate future. That being said, it really doesn’t matter who our QB is because our defense is awful. We will have to score 28 plus points to beat dook, fsu, lewisville & the chickens because I guarantee you they’ll each hang 28 on us. I said after the BC win that the next three weeks will be painful. Unfortunately, my prediction is coming to fruition.
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Re: You are correct
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You forgot to mention Cole Turner as being a possible potential starter for A&M 
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agree!
prior to the season start,there was much talk about so many returning players with many more reps/snaps
I much prefer talent over experienced , mediocre players!
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No the talent is there. The coaching has been ridiculous. Cade has regressed so much and it is showing. We need a new offensive coordinator quickly. All the prognosticators agree we have elite talent but they haven’t been coached up to their potential. We must use the transfer portal like EVERYONE else. Get on with the changes that are here . Dabo must do it or we will have a new coach in two years.
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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It's most definitely the scheme. We need better talent, but we have enough to win vs everyone this year, except lsu
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If it's the talent, why were we ranked pre-season #4? Obviously, coaching intensity in all aspects and what that encompasses is where the blame lies. Regardless of what happens from here on out, there will be significant changes in the coaching staff- buy outs or not. Count on it.
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If it's the talent, why were we ranked pre-season #4? Obviously, coaching intensity in all aspects and what that encompasses is where the blame lies. Regardless of what happens from here on out, there will be significant changes in the coaching staff- buy outs or not. Count on it.
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It's not the schemes it's the talent
We have the talent, we are just not developing it.
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We have the talent, we are just not developing it.
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Let me say this for those in the back. IT'S THE ENTIRE FRIENDS AND FAMILY PACKAGE and everything that comes with that that is the problem. Take your pick from there. I'm tired of hearing people say "it's jimmy's and joes", or "it's coaches", or "it schemes", or "it's beer", or "it's greedy players"...It's everything all at once!
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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This hit me sitting in the stands watching Syracuse truck us at home. Houston there is a problem. Usually though when it looks this bad youre already deep in it. Which we certainly are.
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1. Venables left - hired the brainiac
2. Elliott left
3. Several decommitments from recruiting class
4. Hard decision not to use portal/transfers
5. Fired OC Streeter - hamstrung new OC
6. Continued of accelerated bad recruiting with less than stellar talent for a program like ours at that time.
7. On ESPN stating opposition to NIL and portal
Did I miss anything?
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Re: Started in 2021
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Only thing you missed is “all this falls on Dabo’s decision making.”
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We agree with RU4GOD2 all of this football
downhill slide is on HC Swinney.
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Re: Started in 2021
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thankfully elliott left... Jeff scott was the brains of that duo
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Re: Started in 2021
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Then why was Scott’s offense so pathetic at USF?
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Gridiron Giant [15821]
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Re: Started in 2021
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because usf
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Re: Started in 2021
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Exactly always want to put someone down the Chad endorsed TE on playcalling over Scott!
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What evidence do you have of that?
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Or do you simply want it to be true?
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Re: Started in 2021
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You missed regression of every QB under dabo. All of them got worse the longer they were here. There’s something bad wrong with our development of QBs.
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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I’m glad you have woken up. I’m anxiously awaiting certain posters on here to come to this realization. I doubt the Dabo first guys would ever admit it.
Message was edited by: OrangeHoodie®
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Campus Hero [13396]
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I left Dabo bandwagon after the SYR loss - when Dabo defended his past record -
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- - - instead of admitting to likely flaws in our preseason camp preparations and tardiness in reevaluating tge root causes for the various unit failures and then committing to trying to make the scheme adjustments and assignment responsibilities during the practice time between games.
For goodness sake, our FB staff must have more people than the State of Wyoming. Surely there are enough ambulatory bodies among our throngs (I said “throngs” not ‘things’) of staff to move from spot to spot according to our coaches instructions to demonstrate how pre-snap reads should be made that leads to proper realignment.
But noooo, Dabo started out after LSU loss saying ‘if you want me gone, then I’ll go, and I’ll keep coaching somewhere,’ which was an implied threat that every other program would beg to hire Dabo … and he was doing Clemson a charitable favor by agreeing to remain here as long as we wanted him here.
After Troy and GA Tech, Dabo toned down the super arrogant BS and resorted to defending his past record as his deflection from not having a clue about how to fix the 2025 problems.
Then came SYR. More defending the past.
The unchanged excuses after each loss were that ‘only one or two plays blah blah blah … etc etc.’
These are the excuses of a manager who has run out of clues.
The college game requires coaching attributes that have never been Dabo’s strong points I.e., X’s and O’s, schemes, mental preparation about special personnel changes (dependent on special down-&-distance, field position, sense of whether we needed to gamble for 1st down or TD instead of punt or FG, and time remaining in the play clock, and (less often a Dabo problem) time remaining on the game clock.
Dabo’s formidable strengths are similar to the prime-of-life Bobby Bowden I.e., CEO type program Builder, facilities visionary, master fundraiser, and spectacular recruiter. While all of these attributes remain important, in the age of NIL they have lost some importance while the X’s and O’s, schemes, and mental preparedness (for in-game situations) has become more important.
Dabo is simething of a coaching anachronism. Not quite a relic of the past, yet a coach whose best professional attributed are no longer enough to overcome for his deficiencies in other key areas.
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Re: I left Dabo bandwagon after the SYR loss - when Dabo defended his past record -
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Perfectly stated!
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Never thought I'd see the day where Weak Florist has a better defense and more talent than Clemson....totally pathetic.
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Clemson Sports Icon [54051]
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And people like tdqtiger will say that our great coaches are victims
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of subpar talent, due to NIL and the portal. Because all these schools with money are outspending us and there is nothing we can do.
The mental gymnastics required to arrive at a conclusion like that to justify losses to teams like Georgia Tech and Syracuse are pathetic, all in the name of defending Dabo.
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Tiger Spirit [9989]
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Here's the truth. The talent is there to be a 9-3 team. The coaching is why we are 3-4.
I think. Lol
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If you didn't notice after the first game that we were a really bad team then you were either lying to yourself or you don't know what you are looking at
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Our fan base, or at least a vocal minority, have decided Dabo is bigger than Clemson and its program. These people will go to their graves with their tongues wagging for Dabo. No amount of losing or embarrassment will deter them.
I’m Clemson first. Dabo was great when he was useful. That time has very obviously past us and him by. We are spinning tires at the moment.
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All-TigerNet [5795]
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Oct 25, 2025, 5:23 PM
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This.
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Campus Hero [13396]
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Oct 25, 2025, 9:39 PM
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I was one of them … up through the SYR game.
My (sad) awakening is explained in a long post above.
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Clemson Sports Icon [54051]
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Welcome to the dark side.***
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Oct 26, 2025, 9:37 PM
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Oct 25, 2025, 9:49 PM
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LSU game was a deceiver and an enabler for believing that we were still a very good team.
LSU was overrated because (like Clemson) of its name and glories of the not-distant past. Despite being clearly better re LSU defense vs Clemson offense, and despite our defense being ~ good enough to contain LSU offense to win (if our offense was slightly better than average), our loss was close and we had a genuine chance to pull off a win very late in the game.
We lost, but Dabo’s excuses had plausibility … ‘if only one or two plays blah blah blah we would have won.’
Not until LSU proved that they were a long way from being Top 10 team did it sink in to everyone that our ‘heroic’ loss to LSU was hardly heroic. We got beat by a good (long ways from being great) team … at home and at night. Every crowd advantage was with us. LSU’s QB was mobility-constrained.
In hindsight, yes, the LSU game was a harbinger of things to come. At the time, this was not so, and thus self-delusion by Clemson fans was enabled.
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All-TigerNet [5795]
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Oct 25, 2025, 5:22 PM
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I heard someone say it on a podcast and it stuck with me...
Dabo thinks the success of Clemson is because of him and not because of staff and generational players....
And I think that is ABSOLUTELY correct...hence the nepotism and sh*ty Receuiting thinking he can develop guys...Coaches went to Saban to parle a head
Coaching gig...I think Dabo thought that was measuring stick....and boy is he wrong.
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Orange Blooded [2530]
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Sadly the hungry and humble version of Dabo got replaced by the lazy and arrogant version of Dabo. I realized his arrogance when he loaded up OSU with bulletin board material by ranking them like 14th in the country in the Coaches Poll the week before we play them. We then got trucked by OSU and their portal running back. That was incredibly arrogant (and stupid) on Dabo's part. He then showed his laziness when he selected Wes to replace BV. I wanted Wes to succeed, but he was clearly in over his head. A true national power program head coach would have kicked off a nationwide search for the absolute best DC available. We still could have just about anybody from anywhere back then, even though we had started to slide. Dabo got lazy and blew his chance to help fortify the Clemson brand and instead picked the guy down the hall. The jury is still out on Tom Allen but as of now, it ain't looking good. It may be another bad hire by Dabo.
In short, Dabo climbed the mountain and then promptly let his ego and arrogance dig the hole - and he is still digging. Short of massive philosophical change that includes firing around 50% of the staff and treating the players like the mercenaries they actually are rather than the student-athletes Dabo WISHES they still were, Dabo will continue dig Clemson into an ever deeper hole, while collecting mountaintop money.
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Oct 25, 2025, 9:05 PM
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Oct 25, 2025, 9:53 PM
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Whether or not our past success was because of Dabo or because of generational players is of zero relevance.
Managers without a clue defend their past.
Managers with a clue adjust to the current workplace environment and start preparing their range of strategies to adapt to anticipated additional future changes.
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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U of SC just played a more complete half than we have all year! We are a complete dumpster fire or a ship without a rudder!
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Oct 25, 2025, 5:34 PM
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Yep. The cooters are going to light us up.
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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To the OP
Welcome to the party, pal
We’ve been preaching this for years
It’s definitely talent, but it’s a lot more than that. Roster management, strengthand conditioning, the way we utilize money.
You realize we are paying third string guys that hardly play over $400,000 a year but won’t pay up for five star kids.
It’s definitely talent, but it is much much deeper than that. When you are three and four in the ACC is not just talent. It’s much much deeper than that.
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Dynasty Maker [3156]
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Welcome to reality***
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Gridiron Giant [15215]
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Re: Welcome to reality***
Oct 26, 2025, 1:40 PM
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Does anyone have a pay scale of what is being paid to players at Clemson?
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It should be open to the public as far as what each player is getting paid, if we are trending towards the pro model, that’s the way it is there, and besides the Clemson public is helping to pay the players
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Re: Ready to admit it.
Oct 26, 2025, 6:30 PM
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No way this team is just a few plays of actually doing what they are supposed to do away from being 7-0!
Even that team could lose the last 6 if they don’t do their job, simple as that.
It puts the coach in a bad position when talented players don’t do what it takes!
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Re: Ready to admit it.
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Our recruiting has been consistent in terms of class rankings over the past 3 years. These are the players playing now. It's not the lack of players I think is the main reason. It is development and strength and conditioning. Skill position groups start out playing hot their first year. Then.... they just fall off the map. They dont progress and they regress. Moore, Wesco, Parker, Woods, Woodaz, Hampton, Terrell for example are not playing near the levels they played from the last year or two. The o-line getting bullied, strength and conditioning. The d-line full of 4 and 5 star recruits not getting any pressure nor run stops. Heldt and Smith are already developed outside of Clemson and they are the bright spots.
Changes need to be positional coaches, assistant coaches +Riley, and strength and conditioning coaching and programs. Bring in another OC and LET HIM AND ALLEN BRING IN THEIR OWN PEOPLE!! When do you ever see coordinator hires and they bring 0 staff with them? They can't run their systems without their supportive staff, let alone our people.
End the favoritism, nepotism, and good Ole buddy system with these coaches and get a REAL staff. Hit the portal to fill our glaring holes we will need at the end of the season and let these people develop recruits coming in because starting last year, our has FELL off and desperately need real development.
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Spoiled fan!
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Oct 26, 2025, 9:58 PM
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Why can you not appreciate the three wins we have?
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This was obvious to some after game 1 but should have been unavoidable after the Syracuse loss. This program should never be this bad with all of the resources at our disposal. The powers that be have to demand changes and that Dabo utilize every resource at his disposal. The old student-athlete traditional college football is gone. Never coming back. Most people, I assume, hate the new landscape, but it doesn't matter. If you arent moving forward you are getting left behind. It sucks to be on the receiving end of the punishment we handed out for years, but willingly handicapping ourselves is malpractice that shouldnt be tolerated. Time for the administration and coach to make hard choices or fall further behind.
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Oct 26, 2025, 11:39 PM
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I had the opportunity to meet Coach Swiney a couple of weeks ago! Being an older man that played college football and coached the high offensive line playing for four state championships and win two!
I told Coach that not to pay attention to tigernet and social media! But I have watched a lot of Clemson offensive line on film this year and it is not talent it could be youth, but they are not coached very well! I watched over 200 offensive plays and on 80% 1-2 players aren’t blocked!
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Re: Ready to admit it.
Oct 27, 2025, 12:49 AM
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It hit me watching the Coots that a 3-4 Carolina team and a 3-4 Clemson team are not equals.
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Re: Ready to admit it.
Oct 27, 2025, 9:52 PM
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Sadly, the Gamecocks are a better team than Clemson now. An Awful admission to make.
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Team Captain [498]
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Oct 27, 2025, 9:50 PM
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When a college or pro football program or franchise is in decline, EVERYONE fails: the offense, the defense, special teams,the lack physical toughness/mental toughness all apply. Nothing works in any phase of the games. There is only ONE definitive reason. It is the Head Coach, and as much as many of the Clemson football don’t want to accept it, the Swinney era is over, and it will take a NEW man to restore the Tigers back to National prominence. This 5-year slide has spoken to the college football world very clearly.
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