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Orange Blooded [4021]
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Why are repubs against the idea of court packing?
Oct 14, 2020, 2:55 PM
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Serious question.
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All-In [26968]
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Not a Republican, but I am against the idea of court packing
Oct 14, 2020, 2:56 PM
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in order to cause an ideological swing. And it's apparent that's the motive of the ones suggesting it. If there were some way to add justices in a non-partisan way, I wouldn't necessarily be against that. More justices is not a bad thing on principle.
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Orange Blooded [4021]
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Re: Not a Republican, but I am against the idea of court packing
Oct 14, 2020, 3:02 PM
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Wasn't the holdup of the Garland nomination and the rush of ACB nomination done to cause an ideological swing?
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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this is what I thought***
Oct 14, 2020, 3:03 PM
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Re: That's not court packing.
Oct 14, 2020, 3:13 PM
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You're tap dancing. You know what my point is exactly. Why is court packing bad, but the Garland/ACB shenanigans is acceptable?
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I'm tap dancing? I directly and respectfully answered your
Oct 14, 2020, 3:18 PM
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question in a specific way.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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He’s redefining court packing...
Oct 14, 2020, 3:35 PM
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and you’re tap dancing.
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Would connecting # of justices to # of circuit courts work?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:19 PM
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There is clear historic precdent for it and it would make the court pretty equal in ideological belief. It would mean there would be 13 justices, btw.
The republicans are clearly going to force the issue on this so I can see it happening when/if Biden wins and when/if the Dems take Congress. I don't want a Supreme court that is heavily one-sided which it will be after Barrett is confirmed (giving the the bench a 6-3 heavy conservative bias) so it almost has to be done.
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Re: Would connecting # of justices to # of circuit courts work?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:23 PM
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Re: Would connecting # of justices to # of circuit courts work?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:26 PM
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Lol. Republicans held the court to a different number when it was convenient for them just 4 years ago.
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Re: Would connecting # of justices to # of circuit courts work?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:30 PM
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Legend [15749]
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Shouldn’t we actually see how the rule on cases
Oct 14, 2020, 3:28 PM
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before we worry about the 6-3 conservative slant?
I always think of it in terms of strict or loose interpretation of the Constitution. Conservatives tend to favor the former, but it can help liberals as well I would think.
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Pubs wouldn't have put her up for nomination
Oct 14, 2020, 3:43 PM
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and be trying to rush her through before they potentially lose the control of Congress and Executive if they didn't already know how she would rule on certain cases. This is all politics, and that's their move, and the dems have this counter-move available to them (with precedent) if they wish to equalize things when they take over.
I think tying the number of justices to the number of circuit courts gives a clear basis and historic precedent for number of judges and doesn't allow for further packing without first increasing the number of circuit courts. I can see an argument against saying that it only solves the current ideological biases of the court not future ones and that's a fair argument.
Ideally, I'd want the pubs not to push Barrett through as the election has already started and if Biden were to win and place a justice it still gives the Supreme Court a conservative majority. They are starting a real mess by not being happy with the small conservative majority in the Supreme Court.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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There is a precedent of packing the SCOTUS by increasing
Oct 14, 2020, 3:51 PM
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the number of seats? Not since 1869.
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answering your question depends on what YOU mean...
Oct 14, 2020, 2:57 PM
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by court packing.
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For me, it sets a dangerous precedent when one...
Oct 14, 2020, 3:00 PM
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side doesn't get their way on an existing seat. Everytime the majority party in the Senate matched that of the WH, we would add 3 seats to the court.
The court system, and the SCOTUS specifically, is meant to be stable and static. Also, I'm not a lawyer or have much more than an outsider's view of the operations of the SCOTUS, but I would think things would start to get pretty complicated with many more justices on the bench. How long would a hearing take if there were 15 vs 9 justices.
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Re: For me, it sets a dangerous precedent when one...
Oct 14, 2020, 3:04 PM
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Who started with the dangerous present on filling SCOTUS seats?
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George Washington?***
Oct 14, 2020, 3:12 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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^^^originalist^^^***
Oct 14, 2020, 3:13 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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oh, it was a "trap"***
Oct 14, 2020, 3:13 PM
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Re: For me, it sets a dangerous precedent when one...
Oct 14, 2020, 3:29 PM
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Puhleese dude. For Garland, we were told that the seat needed to held because it was an election year and "the people should decide" . 4 years later and 2 months prior to an election, we must rush this through immediately. What happened to "let the people decide?" I'll wait for your rationalization on how republucan outrage over court packing is anything but pearl clutching.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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So are you satisfied with the answer...
Oct 14, 2020, 3:32 PM
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You gave your question?
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I thought you were asking a serious question....
Oct 14, 2020, 3:51 PM
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you seem to be asking this only in the context of a political response.
As an FYI, I think it was wrong to have not given Garland a hearing. Politically, I like who went instead of him, but it wasn't right for the Senate not to have taken up the nomination. And it is certainly hypocritical to do mental gymnastics to justify flipping positions on this nomination process.
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It turns our highest court into a kanagroo court system.
Oct 14, 2020, 3:17 PM
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If the reigning party in power doesn't like the ruling of the SCOTUS, what's to keep them from just adding more judges that are more likely to vote along a party line?
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Re: It turns our highest court into a kanagroo court system.
Oct 14, 2020, 3:31 PM
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It's called fighting back. The dems would be spineless if they don't hold Mitch accountable.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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Accountable..to what?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:33 PM
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Filling existing SCOTUS seats?
RBG was dying for 20 years. She should have been counseled to step down during the Obama years and he would have had his own replacement.
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Re: Why are repubs against the idea of court packing?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:23 PM
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They're against it, because this is the moment they've waited a generation for and it's about to be ripped from them. But McConnell and his party must be forced to lie in the bed which they made.
McConnell's attempts to change the system to benefit him will now shoot him in the foot. Dems need to get rid of the filibuster and then add 4 seats.
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Re: Why are repubs against the idea of court packing?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:27 PM
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Re: Why are repubs against the idea of court packing?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:28 PM
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You guys made the bed. Lay down and like it.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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I wish I cared enough to book mark this.
Oct 14, 2020, 3:31 PM
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But you probably won't be here in 4 years, so its pointless.
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Re: I wish I cared enough to book mark this.
Oct 14, 2020, 3:36 PM
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I've been a member for 8 years, so where would I go in the next four? Is this supposed to be a threat?
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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If Republicans win in 4 years, and they grow the court even larger to
Oct 14, 2020, 3:37 PM
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fill more vacant seats with their own pick, I doubt you'd want to honestly discuss that post.
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Re: If Republicans win in 4 years, and they grow the court even larger to
Oct 14, 2020, 3:46 PM
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And then you would be all for that, because it would be fighting back, which is where the dems are right now.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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No I wouldn't necessarily be for that.
Oct 14, 2020, 3:52 PM
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Because I'm not an idiot.
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Re: No I wouldn't necessarily be for that.
Oct 14, 2020, 3:54 PM
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Hahahahahahahaha
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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Simply, there's no need for a change.
Oct 14, 2020, 3:59 PM
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The reasonable person realizes that ideological power, at least in the US, ebbs and flows.
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Re: Simply, there's no need for a change.
Oct 14, 2020, 4:03 PM
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It's supposed to. But McConnell decided a president who won election by wise margins twice didn't get appoint judges or justices. So it's time to reverse what was wrongly done.
I'm glad you agree. Because I know an intellectual like you wouldn't change your position simply because of which side you're on.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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I'm not on a "side."
Oct 14, 2020, 4:05 PM
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Unless economic conservatism is a "side". You obviously don't know me at all.
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Re: Why are repubs against the idea of court packing?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:44 PM
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Lol!
I hope the useless party of pigs is crushed. I want Trump supporters to realize that they live in the past and have no hope for their terrorism to ever take over this country. They took a torch to democracy and it's time to pay.
Unlike your useless party, though, I don't hope for violence. I want Trump's worthless supporters to wake up every morning in America knowing that minorities are being born faster than them. That trans people have rights. That a gay person could become their new boss. And I hope it hurts.
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Re: Why are repubs against the idea of court packing?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:54 PM
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screw 151 years; just change our court systems to how your
Oct 14, 2020, 3:38 PM
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team wants it? Is that what you are saying?
Again, I don't think this kind of post ages well.
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Re: screw 151 years; just change our court systems to how your
Oct 14, 2020, 3:40 PM
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That's exactly what the GOP did. They set the precedent. They held the court to 8 seats when it worked for them and they held hundreds of federal court seats open for years.
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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huh?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:57 PM
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The last change of the court:
"....1869, when a new Judiciary Act sponsored by Senator Lyman Trumbull set the number back to nine Justices, with six Justices required at a sitting to form a quorum. President Ulysses S. Grant eventually signed that legislation and nominated William Strong and Joseph Bradley to the newly restored seats."
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/why-does-the-supreme-court-have-nine-justices
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I prefer the Jonathan Turley Republican Court Expansion Plan
Oct 14, 2020, 4:01 PM
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expand to 19 justices, 2 per presidential term from the current 9.
https://buckleybeacon.com/2017/11/16/jonathan-turley-on-expanding-the-supreme-court/Jonathan Turley on Expanding the Supreme Court On November 4th, 2017, Professor Turley spoke at the Buckley Program’s conference on The Constitution and the Courts. Professor Turley joined the GW Law faculty in 1990, and in 1998, became the you… Jonathan Turley on Expanding the Supreme Court On November 4th, 2017, Professor Turley spoke at the Buckley Program’s conference on The Constitution and the Courts. Professor Turley joined the GW Law faculty in 1990, and in 1998, became the you…
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Re: Why are repubs against the idea of court packing?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:41 PM
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The main reason is it has been @ 9 for well over 100 yrs. If you start packing it then the next Admin. will do the same until its another congress. That is not what the framers of the constitution had in mind. They had one. Plus you Dems were using it to pass laws because the congress is useless now. Either way it will not end well.
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Re: Why are repubs against the idea of court packing?
Oct 14, 2020, 3:48 PM
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Wrong. It was 8 for almost all of 2016. How could you forget that?
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Re: Why are repubs against the idea of court packing?
Oct 14, 2020, 4:20 PM
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The Pubs are not against court-packing at all. They're doing it right now with Barrett. What they're against is Democratic court-packing.
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Re: Why are repubs against the idea of court packing?
Oct 14, 2020, 4:22 PM
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filling an open position is not packing
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Re: Why are repubs against the idea of court packing?
Oct 14, 2020, 6:03 PM
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filling an open position is not packing
Go ask Merritt Garland how he feels about your theory.
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Oculus Spirit [83133]
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It would be a partisan move based on ideology just like
Oct 14, 2020, 4:28 PM
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holding up Garland and rushing through ACB.
Still, I don’t like the precedent it sets. We could end up with 29 Judges one day.
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Re: Why are repubs against the idea of court packing?
Oct 14, 2020, 5:37 PM
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This thread has gone as I had expected it to. Repubs are ok with dirty politics as long as they are the ones doing it, but clutch those pearls when the other side responds.
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Re: Why are repubs against the idea of court packing?
Oct 14, 2020, 9:43 PM
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