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Oculus Spirit [43715]
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I think he wants to see if any judge will throw
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Aug 15, 2023, 2:29 PM
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him in jail for this nonsense. They should oblige him.
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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And then... "The Great Escape". Nazis gonna nazi.***
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Aug 15, 2023, 5:11 PM
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Orange Blooded [3230]
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Re: And then... "The Great Escape". Nazis gonna nazi.***
Aug 16, 2023, 4:02 AM
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Huh?
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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Can't you just see T-Rump jumping a fence on a motorcycle?***
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Orange Blooded [3230]
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Re: Can't you just see T-Rump jumping a fence on a motorcycle?***
Aug 16, 2023, 7:16 PM
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I could see him in a cape like Evil Kenevil jumping 50 cars. He can do anything. He is Trump. He is a god.
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Clemson Conqueror [11637]
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Re: Can't you just see T-Rump jumping a fence on a motorcycle?***
Aug 16, 2023, 9:44 PM
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I can see why the lefties believe this.
After all, lefties believe that Trump had hypnotic powers to say ‘peaceful and patriotic protest’ as secret code for Ray Epps types (10 to 1 odds that he is a federal government subcontractor specializing in rabble rousing) and for Capitol police to open security barriers and wave protesters to trespass onto the Capitol Building grounds.
Trump is indeed magic. Lefties should be scared.
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Orange Blooded [3230]
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Re: Check your meter, boy.***
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Aug 17, 2023, 2:14 AM
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Huh? Put a coherent thought together....boy.
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Re: Trump would be wise to stay the heck away from his social
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Aug 15, 2023, 2:35 PM
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A good result for pubs might be if 'they' keep railroading Trump to the point where something sticks and all his followers perceive it as railroading and still turn out to vote for a different nominee.
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Ultimate Tiger [33367]
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Re: Trump would be wise to stay the heck away from his social
Aug 15, 2023, 3:04 PM
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He has zero discipline
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Paw Master [17331]
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Free speech***
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Aug 15, 2023, 3:07 PM
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Oculus Spirit [42179]
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well, yeah ... again, just like Lbb, he can say whatever tf
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Aug 15, 2023, 3:20 PM
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he wants.
And the press and social media are also free to rip him a new a55hole.
Freedom of Speech. Not Freedom from consequence.
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Paw Master [17331]
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The above aren’t talking about “ripping him a new one”.
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Aug 15, 2023, 3:25 PM
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The goal is to silence him completely.
They indicting him for “walk over to the Capitol and peacefully make your voices heard”; so you think Trump gives two fks about what he says now???
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Oculus Spirit [42179]
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criminals often lose the right to express "Free Speech"
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Aug 15, 2023, 3:41 PM
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Also, and I know you know everything, but Trump also said the word "fight" like 3 dozen times on Jan 6th.
"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."
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Orange Immortal [65180]
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Clemson's fight song ends with:
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Aug 16, 2023, 6:54 AM
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“Fight Like He
As a true fan and alumnus, I think we'd be setting a dangerous legal precedent if this leads to a conviction.
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Re: well, yeah ... again, just like Lbb, he can say whatever tf
Aug 16, 2023, 6:43 PM
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he wants.
And the press and social media are also free to rip him a new a55hole.
Freedom of Speech. Not Freedom from consequence.
Unless you are with the woke. Then you can say anything about anybody with no consequences.
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Ring of Honor [22382]
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Free speech as defined by the 1st Amendment has limitations and restrictions.
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Aug 15, 2023, 4:20 PM
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Obviously threats, coercion, fraud, inciting lawlessness and criminal conspiracy / conduct fall into that realm.
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Re: Trump would be wise to stay the heck away from his social
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Aug 15, 2023, 3:49 PM
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I trying to figure out how you used Trump and wise in then same sentence.
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More evidence of a two tier justice system.
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Aug 15, 2023, 4:09 PM
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Like I'd really love to hear an argument for how it's anything but politics keeping Trump out of jail right now.
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Ultimate Tiger [33367]
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Re: More evidence of a two tier justice system.
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Aug 15, 2023, 4:27 PM
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Throwing your chief political rival in jail prior to a trial is frowned upon, even in the US.
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Re: More evidence of a two tier justice system.
Aug 15, 2023, 5:01 PM
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Right, but that's essentially what cac2011 just said.
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Re: More evidence of a two tier justice system.
Aug 15, 2023, 5:14 PM
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Right - the DOJ and NY and GA AG are political. How political? I think we're about to find out. Hopefully, these trials will be televised.
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Re: More evidence of a two tier justice system.
Aug 16, 2023, 8:27 AM
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Televising the trial will make it 1000% more political. If we want it to be about justice and not a circus, keep the cameras out.
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Ultimate Tiger [33367]
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Re: More evidence of a two tier justice system.
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Aug 16, 2023, 9:01 AM
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No way you cannot televise this.
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Ultimate Tiger [36217]
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Re: More evidence of a two tier justice system.
Aug 16, 2023, 4:47 PM
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Are you making a prediction or are you saying something else?
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Re: More evidence of a two tier justice system.
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Aug 16, 2023, 4:54 PM
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I'm saying the trials need to be televised so that the American people can see it, and not hear what is going on second hand.
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Ultimate Tiger [36217]
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Re: More evidence of a two tier justice system.
Aug 17, 2023, 10:45 AM
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True. It's a balance of values. On the one hand, we value greater transparency, which would be served by having it televised. On the other hand, we also value the orderly administration of justice, which can be hampered by turning it into a television presentation with a separate and predominant political angle.
Courts regularly deal with whether to make proceedings public, and I'm pretty sure the issue will be litigated. I don't know what the best answer is.
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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And trying to impeach him on known-to-be bogus evidence
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that was conspired, bought, and paid for by the candidate you just beat... that's A-OK for vapid minds.
Keep suckin' dat BS MSM propaganda...
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Nobody tell him.***
Aug 15, 2023, 5:20 PM
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Clemson Icon [27824]
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Billary paid for the Steele dossier. You don't need to tell.***
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The absurdity of these statements
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It's even worse coming from someone who actually exhibits intelligence like you. You would expect those comments from a Keowee or an RTD or CharlestonTom. Trump isn't just facing federal charges. The idea that this is Biden and the Democratic Party orchestrating is ludicrous. Trump is facing legitimate charges for his own behavior. HE is being held accountable for his actions, which is a strong theme in this matter as Trump pushed a hard message of never being accountable for one's actions, a behavior his most ardent followers adopted.
It's ludicrous any American can look at his behavior and not think an investigation is warranted. Trump is not some poor little victim. If your child continues to get in trouble at school with multiple teachers over the years, at what point do you stop making excuses for him and realize that he's the problem?
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Oculus Spirit [43715]
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The timeline fits with any legitimate investigation.
Aug 16, 2023, 8:13 AM
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It's not like these charges/investigations were cockedup like Comey did with the Hillary emails coming on the eve of the election itself.
Some of the items in the indictment were relatively newly discovered.
If they had indicted him earlier, the cases would be weaker and thus giving more of an appearance of a rush-job to stop Trump. If they had indicted him later, it would be way too late into the primary. Now is the perfect time. And, like you said, Trump would not be where he is if not for his actions between November 2020 and January 2021. This is, 100%, on him.
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Oculus Spirit [43715]
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Same as any subsequent charges for running his stupid mouth.
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Aug 16, 2023, 8:14 AM
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If you want examples of preferential treatment, the fact he isn't in jail for witness tampering via his social media is one. Anybody else would be.
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Re: Same as any subsequent charges for running his stupid mouth.
Aug 16, 2023, 8:20 AM
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Exactly - he is not in jail for political reasons. It amazes me that some people have convicted before an actual trial.
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Oculus Spirit [43715]
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The problem is people clutching pearls that a trial is even
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Aug 16, 2023, 8:28 AM
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warranted, or assuming the only reason he's been indicted is because of politics.
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Re: The problem is people clutching pearls that a trial is even
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This is why the trials are so important, and they must be televised. From a political standpoint Trump SHOULD be politically dead for even giving a speech in DC on Jan 6. Had he truly believed that there were major shenanigans with the election, he should have, as quietly as possible made his challenges in court. But, the thing is, I haven't seen any current public evidence that would clearly indicate that he was illegally interfering with the election. I've seen charges. If some of the charges, like establishing fake electors in GA, are proven in court then all involved need to go to prison for a long time. I do not believe this has nothing to do with politics. I have serious doubts that some, if not all, of these indictments would not exist if Trump were not running for President.
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One thing that's important to remember is that Trump is not
Aug 16, 2023, 8:59 AM
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being indicted on his speech. Anybody that tells you that is lying, or has fallen for the misinformation of pundits who don't know what they're talking about. I posted this before, but the D.C. indictment only includes brief reference to Trump's speech, and it's not the basis for the indictment.
To your last point, I think that's (somewhat) true, but more a matter of prosecutorial discretion. The best microcosm metaphor I can think of is someone that gets a busted taillight ticket dropped because they got it fixed. There is no public interest in prosecuting someone when the problem is fixed. So, if Trump hadn't been running again, the government may have decided that it would be best to just move on since, presumably, the threat to public order is gone. But he's running again, and thus the public interest is revived. Though, I am not convinced that if Trump hadn't run, he wouldn't be pursued.
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Re: One thing that's important to remember is that Trump is not
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I watch very few pundits. I typically just go to the source, if available. That's why these trials have to be televised, so that people can go to the source and not rely on the "news".
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Re: One thing that's important to remember is that Trump is not
Aug 16, 2023, 9:55 PM
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Trump being indicted (GA) on RICO charges sounds far fetched.
How would RICO work if some of the co-defendants believe (on their own) that Trump wasn’t cheated out of the GA election, whereas Trump did believe that he was cheated out of GA election?
Where is the coordination that is required of coordinated fraud (I.e., a criminal organization that could be pursued under RICO)? Sounds like the accusation of coordinated fraud is very weak.
You know more about law than me. How do you see RICO applying here?
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Re: The absurdity of these statements
Aug 16, 2023, 8:15 AM
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Sooo...why is he not in jail? Sorry to even dare question any of this.
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Why would he still be sitting there?
Aug 16, 2023, 8:23 AM
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He can post bond just as much as anyone else. He's not charged with murder.
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Re: More evidence of a two tier justice system.
Aug 16, 2023, 8:23 PM
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Like I'd really love to hear an argument for how it's anything but politics keeping Trump out of jail right now.
And hellary/ Biden crime family.
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Re: Trump would be wise to stay the heck away from his social
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Kund of ironic that Trump accused everyone of voter fraud, but he was the one attempting to accomplish it.
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Re: Trump would be wise to stay the heck away from his social
Aug 16, 2023, 1:32 PM
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GOP = Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.
Every accusation is a confession.
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Re: Trump would be wise to stay the heck away from his social
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He keeps intimidating witnesses and he can get be put under house arrest, or worse. I hope he keeps it up.
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Re: Trump would be wise to stay the heck away from his social
Aug 16, 2023, 10:01 PM
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Trump is a private citizen that has secret service protection as per the security afforded to past presidents.
How would Trump intimidate witnesses? Maybe he’d turn his secret service detail on the witnesses? Snide comments on social media about witnesses who have gone on public record about their sentiments about him?
I don’t mean to be a killjoy. Wishful thinking is fun.
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Re: Trump would be wise to stay the heck away from his social
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Trump totally sidestepped the MSM in a way never seen before.
Without Trump to bash they have nothing - Look at all the independent news that has started since he exposed the MSM as fake news
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Re: Trump would be wise to stay the heck away from his social
Aug 16, 2023, 7:15 PM
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Well said. On a different note, who is the fake Biden by the way? You said that wasn't really Biden. Who is it?
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