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Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 1:46 AM
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Since so many people are saying that we should be using the portal, I want to see who people want to trade. If we get somebody from the portal, then to an extent it is 1 less recruit we can take.
What I would like is, using our last 2 recruiting classes, pick a player that you want to give up and tell me the player that you think that we could have gotten from the portal that would have been better. You will have an advantage to our coaching staff, because most of the one's going through the portal are not there at the early signing day when we are deciding whether or not to take a recruit.
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 5:22 AM
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Since so many people are saying that we should be using the portal, I want to see who people want to trade. If we get somebody from the portal, then to an extent it is 1 less recruit we can take.
What I would like is, using our last 2 recruiting classes, pick a player that you want to give up and tell me the player that you think that we could have gotten from the portal that would have been better. You will have an advantage to our coaching staff, because most of the one's going through the portal are not there at the early signing day when we are deciding whether or not to take a recruit.
I think they are losing players to the portal, so they should be able to get players from the portal. Alabama and Georgia has starters obtained from the portal...Kendrick via Clemson. If they feel it necessary to get players from the portal, why would Clemson not do so as well. They could at least replace those we lose to the portal. The portal is not like a trade...they do not have to dismiss current players to get players from the portal. Dabo just does not like the whole concept of the portal or the new NIL, and neither do I. The portal and NIL is however the reality they must deal with. What they can't do is just ignore it as if it does not exist, or they will be left behind. These changes happened, and Clemson needs to adapt to what it is now or get used to losing to teams that did adapt.
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 5:29 AM
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To keep the roster right, if you have a player in the system and he leaves, you kinda need to replace him with another “experienced and older , stronger player” Without the extra years of weight room, it makes a difference. Otherwise, you would see all freshmen playing if they are the same.
We have who we have because you don’t use everything that is available to you.
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 6:11 AM
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We don’t do that. Dabo just said we have a talented roster and don’t need it. He stated we’re a developmental program (though major issues with the development part of it). TE’s brilliant and we’re all good.
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 9:33 AM
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That "experienced and older, stronger" player would likely be replacing a player that wasn't getting enough playing time here because of the strength at that position. Why would it not be better to have somebody that will develop into the starter, rather than the experienced player that will leave here still a back up?
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 8:08 AM
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I understand the point that it would be nice to replace them with a player that has matured. My point is that we are limited in scholarships. When we are recruiting we are guessing on what we will lose through attrition after the season, so we do have some opportunities when we guess under what that amount actually is. However, in general it is a choice of saving a spot for the portal, which would be filled in the Spring or Summer, or filling it in December at early signing day when most of the better recruits commit.
Dabo does not like to take scholarships away, so our roster management works different than most elite programs. Those programs, generally, will take the scholarship of a kid that is not doing well on the field. Dabo believes that if they are not doing well on the field then it is on him and the coaching staff. As long as the young man is doing what he is supposed to in the classroom and off the field, it is unlikely to pull his scholarship to make numbers work. To some extent I am ignoring that he likes to reward walk ons who have done well, but without that policy who knows that Renfrow doesn't go to App State.
My point is that the portal is not overflowing with players that fit our program. Do you think that a player that transfers from Kentucky that was not happy with his playing time is going to come here? I doubt it because it is unlikely that he is going to get more playing time here. If a kid has not gotten along with the coaching staff at another school, do you think we should assume there was a reason that did not involve the kid? You mentioned Georgia. We recruited Arik Gilbert, and now he has transferred to Georgia from LSU. He has all of the talent in the world, but it didn't work out to well to this point.
When we are recruiting, most players have not entered the portal. Most will enter after the season, so we don't know what is going to be there. If we save scholarships to use there, what do we do if we can't fill a position of need? You have to remember even when there are people we still would have to convince them that Clemson is the place for them. It is a lot easier to work the numbers during recruiting when you know what is there rather than gambling that you can get someone from the portal.
I do think that Dabo will start getting a player or two from the portal, rather than giving any left over scholarships to walk ons. That being said, I think it only happens when we have more attrition after the season than anticipated. It is not going to make or break this team. If we get to the point that the portal is a good option to find players better than our recruits, we will already be broken.
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 12:02 PM
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Since we limited on scholarships and losing players thru the portal it seems we should not be wasting scholarships with Herbies kids and others ??
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Tell me....
Oct 5, 2021, 12:04 PM
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Do those scholarships extend past this year?
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Something to remember about the transfer portal...
Oct 5, 2021, 7:19 AM
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People enter the portal for a reason. From what I've seen there are essentially 3 reasons an athlete enters the portal:
1. The athlete is not getting enough playing time at their current school.
2. The athlete doesn't get along with their current coaching staff (i.e. a discipline problem or some other conflict with coaches)
3. The athlete accepts an offer for a greener pasture - they are leaving their current non-contender team to join a championship caliber team. I don't think this happens very often but you can bet that there are some teams (looking at you SEC) covertly contacting players on other team rosters to convince them to go to the portal in order to have a "free" transfer. In other words - some teams are "cherry picking" specific athletes from non-contender teams to enter the transfer portal.
I think categories 1 and 2 above are by far the most common reasons for athletes entering the transfer portal. If that is indeed the case, we would have to be very, very, selective in bringing them into Clemson. If an athlete is not good enough to start at some other school (short of an Alabama, Ohio State, or UGA type talented team) then there is no guarantee that they will be better than what we already have on our roster at Clemson. If the athlete has had disciplinary issues at another school or for some reason did not get along with their current coaching staff - that is a warning sign that maybe this athlete's character may not fit the Clemson culture.
I'm not saying that Clemson should refuse to use the transfer portal, but I'm not convinced the transfer portal is the cure-all that some on this board think it is.
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 8:33 AM
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What I was originally hoping was to get a couple of actual, responses using players. Since nobody has done that, I will give one. In 2020 Trent Howard was our lowest rated offensive lineman. I believe that is the same year that Cade Mays left Georgia for Tennessee. Though Mays had issues with the coaching staff, he did not appear to be a disciplinary problem.
I believe the team would have been better off with Mays than Howard. We had recruited Mays out of high school and we were in his final 3. It does not mean that we could have gotten him. If my memory is correct he announced that he was heading to Knoxville (where he grew up) fairly quickly. We very well may have reached out to him and gotten told that he was headed to Tennessee. I am also thinking that he made a negative comment or two about Clemson while he was at Georgia, so the bridge might have already been burned.
Anyhow, that was somebody that went through the portal that could have potentially helped us. Can anybody give some more names? If the portal is overflowing with people that would improve our program this should be easy since we are doing it in hindsight.
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Cade Mays....
Oct 5, 2021, 8:42 AM
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He was committed to TN until Butch Jones was fired....this is how he ended up at UGA. When he left UGA....there was very little chance he would have come to Clemson. He is a SEC boy and a TN boy. And now he is at TN playing to a home crowd and playing with his brother.
Interest has to go both ways...and Cade knew where he was going when he left UGA.
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Re: Cade Mays....
Oct 5, 2021, 9:13 AM
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I don't think that we would have gotten Cade Mays either. He is, however, one that I think a slight chance might have been there, and that would have been a better option than a recruit. I keep hearing about all of the players that we are missing out on in the portal and want to see some actual names. I don't think there is a lot there that would improve the program. Getting the player here is an additional problem, and had someone else thrown Mays out there I would have made the argument that we were unlikely to get him.
Maybe I am overlooking some transfers, that we missed out on. I just want a few names for the sake of argument that would improve our team. The problem of actually getting them to Clemson, supports the idea that recruiting is the better way to build the program.
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Agree he may have been a good fit...
Oct 5, 2021, 9:37 AM
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But he was never going to come to Clemson. That kid wanted to go back to TN...and until he was injured, he was having success.
I agree there are likely some players in the portal that might be a good fit at Clemson. That they might be better than someone currently on the team? But, do they play a position where we have a need? Do they have interest in Clemson? Is there a problem that is outside of football?
I don't know the answer to any of these questions...let's hope Danny does?
I do not hear Coach Dabo saying never.....just that there has to be a perfect fit and the right need would have to be filled.
I am not against the portal. I just think that pulling a number of players from it here at Clemson could lead to more attrition. But, guess we won't know until we try it.
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 9:16 AM
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I wouldn't say he had issues with UGA coaching, he wanted to play with his brother. I can't put my finger on the whole law suit issue; but I really think that was a ploy to gain imediate eligibilty.
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 9:09 AM
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We don't have to lose someone... we never take everyone that we could take which is why we have scholarships to give to walk-ons...
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 9:21 AM
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The scholarship that goes to the walk on could also have gone to an additional recruit. There is another post arguing the point that we need to reward less walk ons. I understand that point but it is not what I am trying to discuss.
Just give me a name of a transfer that we missed out on if you don't want to pair it with a name of a recruit. I am fine with that. Who is the transfer that would have made a large impact on our team?
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 12:12 PM
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Because we are losing so many to the portal 20 scholarships over past few years we can no longer play around with rewarding the Herbstreits and others I have no problem with a coaches son Every scholarship is going to count since we are not taking from the portal You can not watch a game that the announcers tell you that player played for another team last year
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 10:05 AM
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Thanks. I think that QB and RB are using some hindsight, but I did say that it should be an easy exercise since we had hindsight. Slot and O line are positions of need so I think you are definitely right about the last 3.
I would be curious to know if we made any contact with any of them. I am not convinced that we are completely ignoring the portal, and expect that we have made contact with some to see if there might be interest. I appreciate you giving some good examples.
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 10:36 AM
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We need a QB but did not know we needed a QB until the season started. Hard to chase the portal in the middle of the season.
We don't need a RB. Even with LJD bailing and Shipley injured we still have 2 talented, young RBs that are getting better every game. We have lost guys to the portal in this area because of the depth of the room and that the young guys are the most talented in the room. Why would anyone want to transfer in to sit?
The WR at UK and the OL at WVU went back to their home states to play. I don't know that they went "home" to play after regretting leaving their area but it seems that it would be tough to convince a kid otherwise who wants to go home.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember some questionable stuff with the Morris recruitment in high school that led to Clemson pulling back and led him to UT in the first place. If I'm remembering correctly, it is likely that we wanted no part of getting in on the transfer recruitment either.
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Re: Transfer Portal
Oct 5, 2021, 10:54 AM
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I was just glad to get actual examples. I don't think that there are many out there for us to pursue and I am not convinced that we haven't checked with some in the portal that told us that they were not interested.
The position that we would most likely be able to use the portal with is the O line, and it seems to me to be less from that position group transferring than others. I have also reluctantly come to the view that Caldwell is a liability. We have and have had some talent, but really not success. I am not sure that wouldn't hurt us if we were trying to convince a young man to transfer to here.
Basically, I don't think that we are ignoring the portal. I just don't think that we have had the opportunity to seize upon.
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give me access to players in the portal and I'll tell you.
Oct 5, 2021, 11:40 AM
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over the last few years we have "traded"/lost
Lyn J
bowman
pinkney
mellusi
Johnson
brice
cooper
feaster
kendrick
kitt
mcmichael
and I'm sure I'm missing some
give me a list of portal guys at the time these guys transfered and I'll let you know.
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