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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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Oh yeah.
Oct 11, 2023, 6:28 PM
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I've been waiting to hear your most recent theories on this one.
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Orange Blooded [2053]
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Re: Oh yeah.
Oct 12, 2023, 7:58 AM
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lol, he HAS to be a troll.
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110%er [7158]
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Rational behind P.Harbor conspiracy
Oct 13, 2023, 9:18 PM
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#4 had been suggested by my elders and their friends of the WW II generation.
One of those elders was a naval communications specialist. He was not a code breaker; his specialty was on RF (radio frequency) transmission and reception.
As #4 noted, the US Navy was closely and accurately monitoring Japanese RF transmissions since long before the Pearl Harbor attack.
No one had suggested that the Admirals and US political hierarchy was unaware of these transmissions.
My ‘elders’ were of the belief that three factors were in play for our ‘surprise’ on Dec. 7, 1941.
(1). The USA simply didn’t want to believe that Japan would take such a reckless gamble as to attack us.
(2). USA politicians did not want to provoke Japan by interdicting with a battle fleet group.
(3). An actual attack by Japan would not destroy the US Navy, while also giving the US a legitimate pretext to enter WW II.
Lending credibility to item (3) is the ‘coincidental circumstance’ of the Pearl Harbor carrier fleet being out to sea, instead of being in port.
In summary, a combination of disbelief and (perhaps subconscious?) sense of opportunity converged for Pearl Harbor to have taken place as it did.
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Legend [17298]
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Will clicking a Washington Post link turn someone into a Commie
Oct 11, 2023, 10:40 AM
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According to some the WSJ is liberal so no telling about the WP.
Seriously it seems like complacency and wishful thinking set in regarding Hamas. That led to negligence and ultimately incompetence.
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Re: minimal staff on the wall?
Oct 11, 2023, 6:22 PM
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Wait??? That sounds like our border!
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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The Mexicans are going to take Presidio, TX!***
Oct 11, 2023, 6:29 PM
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Re: The Mexicans are going to take Presidio, TX!***
Oct 11, 2023, 6:34 PM
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That has been gone
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Oculus Spirit [81078]
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And strangely, their population has gotten smaller***
Oct 12, 2023, 10:18 AM
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Re: minimal staff on the wall?
Oct 12, 2023, 6:13 AM
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I thought a wall was the answer.
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Re: minimal staff on the wall?
Oct 12, 2023, 8:01 AM
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So Israel only has about 440 miles of wall, and they have trouble manning that.
We have 2000 miles of border to cover.
A border wall will slow some people down but it's not going to stop the drug runners or any terrorists that want to cross.
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Re: minimal staff on the wall?
Oct 12, 2023, 10:27 AM
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This is definitely not good for those who think a border wall will cure the immigration issue.
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Re: minimal staff on the wall?
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Oct 12, 2023, 11:46 AM
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A wall is not an end all or be all solution, but has a place in helping to decrease illegal immigration along with other measures.
What is your solution? Wait until all the poor countries are first world countries?
Should we just continue as is? Should we accept that we should just continue to allow several million people a year to enter illegally and provide them with basic needs?
Even Democratic leaders of blue states and cities recognize that the status quo is not acceptable.
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Re: minimal staff on the wall?
Oct 12, 2023, 12:19 PM
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I don't claim to know the solution but a 2000 mile wall doesn't appear to be it.
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Re: minimal staff on the wall?
Oct 12, 2023, 12:47 PM
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A Big, Beautiful wall from sea to shining sea is a waste of money. I have no issues with a wall if you are going to pay for it out of your own pocket as well as paying to fix it everytine bollards get cut. The cost to build and maintain it isn't justified as it's been proven to be easily breached. Walls in high population areas do work in conjunction with border patrol.
People are going to cross the border like we see now until the consequences severely out weigh the risks. That's not realistic to happen so long as the conditions south of our border are impoverished. Pill boxes with green light to fire upon intruders would do the trick, but that is not realistic. However, a higher standard of living south of us would definitely diminish the problem.
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Re: minimal staff on the wall?
Oct 12, 2023, 2:27 PM
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Agree that a 2000 mile border wall is not the answer. However, conditions in Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, etc are not worse than they were 15-20 years ago when the illegal crossings were far lower than now.
No doubt if peasants in Central America were getting more than the equivalent of $1/day to pick up waste peanuts as I witnessed, there would be less demand to head north, but solving that issue is more daunting than better border control.
I don’t accept that the current situation is the best that we can do. You apparently do. We’ll just have to disagree and wait for enough blue cities and states to squeal before things improve.
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110%er [7158]
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Wall - changed for high density vs low density zones
Oct 13, 2023, 9:43 PM
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Sincere Americans realize that border walls are an effective component, but not the single magic bullet, for dramatically improving America’s national security.
What most Americans fail to grasp is that the type of wall and density of border patrol activities do not need to be identical throughout the entire 2000 miles of our southern border.
High density zones: Israeli type walls that delineate Gaza from Israel, accompanied with high density security personnel at the wall and large bases with numerous backup personnel within ~ 50 miles of the border.
Low density zones: Double layered high fences (~ 20 feet high and ~ 30 feet between each fence) with each crowned with razor wire. Drone based monitoring of the border. Widespread ‘security bases’ located ~ 20 miles from the border, with each base being ~ 100 miles apart and being manned with a low density of personnel.
The above is meant to represent the concept, as opposed to the ‘actual finished plan’ suggestion.
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As for the assertion that is somehow our fault that Mexico is not as wealthy as it should be, and therefore there is no stopping the flow of illegal immigrant crossings, that is absolute nonsense.
The USA would very much like to expand our manufacturing presence into Mexico near the border. Mexico’s cartels make any near-the-border American mfging plants a high risk capital investment. Mexico’s govt is largely beholden to the cartels.
(*). If the USA would get serious about the USA installing strict border control measures, then the cartels would relocate their smuggling efforts elsewhere than the Mexico / USA border. When the cartels move elsewhere (out of the best business interests of the cartels), then US manufacturing in Northern Mexico will become a lower risk investment. Mexico as a nation would benefit enormously. With enough ‘new’ money, Mexico might just become strong enough to finally get serious about dealing with the cartels.
(***). In summary, a secure border between the USA and Mexico would help Mexico. It would also help the USA.
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Exactly, so don't even try to slow down the infiltration
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Oct 12, 2023, 2:31 PM
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open the borders completely!
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Orange Blooded [2053]
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sigh, there is no reasoning with you idiots.***
Oct 12, 2023, 2:32 PM
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Re: Exactly, so don't even try to slow down the infiltration
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Oct 12, 2023, 7:53 PM
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Unfettered immigration was not what Reagan articulated. Go back and listen to the entirety of Reagan’s remarks from 1981 and 1986.
A sound bite does not capture the full message of Reagan on immigration.
I think most of us are in favor of orderly immigration, providing work visas for those we need, knowing who is coming in.
I also read a lengthy NYT article on Reagan’s views on immigration.
I’m fairly certain Reagan would not approve of the current situation, but unfortunately we can’t ask him.
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Re: Exactly, so don't even try to slow down the infiltration
Oct 12, 2023, 8:33 PM
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We need to speed up the handling of immigrants get them processed as quickly as possible. I hear a lot of complaining about the southern border, but I'm not hearing any rational solutions. It's all bah bah bah wall, bah bah bah open borders and such.
What are your rational solutions?
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Re: Exactly, so don't even try to slow down the infiltration
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Oct 12, 2023, 9:25 PM
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You go first. You seem satisfied with things as they are. Do you propose continuing the present process with no changes?
If so, that would place you at variance with the mayor of NYC, the governor of NY and even Gavin Newsom.
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Re: Exactly, so don't even try to slow down the infiltration
Oct 13, 2023, 12:35 AM
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With the current set of laws, there isn't much else we can do except get more judges and staff to speed up the processing of migrants. And again, how much will that cost.
So, what reasonable solutions do you propose?
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Re: Exactly, so don't even try to slow down the infiltration
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Oct 13, 2023, 5:58 PM
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Stop the asylum claim silliness. That needs to be vetted very carefully.
The vast majority of people are coming for a better economic situation.
Place sanctions on Mexico if they can’t control our shared border. The Mexicans would then better secure their own southern border.
Determine how many unskilled laborers we actually need and then provide them visas allowing them to work and travel freely back and forth as they wish. When that number is agreed upon, anyone else entering is deported and rapidly so.
If we can’t get a handle of who’s coming in still, restrict wire transfers of money back to third world countries.
Border walls in specific high flow urban areas.
The usage of TASERS, rubber bullets and dogs as necessary to deter the streams of people nonchalantly walking in.
I would not use lethal force.
I would get the word out that we do not welcome everyone. We welcome people to legally come, but we are done with allowing several million people a year to illegally enter this country.
I would greatly limit the safety net to discourage people from coming.
If I thought pouring more money into many of these countries would help, I would do so, but it does not appear to help.
Haiti is a prime example. Money in, nothing in return.
It is a very complicated problem and I personally would be willing to compromise on the Dreamers, perhaps even amnesty for some who arrived before a certain date.
We have to tighten things up and not accept that nothing will work. I’ve never advocated that a 2000 mile wall is the answer. It isn’t, but walls in certain areas can be useful.
It’s a serious issue with national security implications. We can only hope we don’t get bitten in the ### from some of the bad guys that have entered as of late.
Continuing the status quo, allowing states and cities to flout federal law is certainly not a mature way to address the issue.
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Re: Exactly, so don't even try to slow down the infiltration
Oct 14, 2023, 1:15 AM
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I agree with a lot of what you said.
Unfortunately, MAGAts have put the word out that we have "wide open borders". That's on them.
What good is TASERS and rubber bullets? Once they set foot on our soil, they are granted due process which is taking way too long.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/19/19-161/129475/20200122132520772_Thuraissigiam%20Amicus%20Brief%20TO%20FILE.pdf
"This Court has since repeatedly declared, in no
uncertain terms, that “once an alien enters the
country, the legal circumstance changes” because our
Constitution provides due process protections to “all
‘persons’ within the United States, including aliens,
whether their presence here is lawful, unlawful,
temporary, or permanent.”"
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Re: minimal staff on the wall?
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Oct 13, 2023, 8:35 AM
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I have 3 thoughts:
1. The attacks were purposely planned on a Jewish holiday (Simchat Torah) when they knew there would be skeleton crew staffing
2. The political situation in Israel distracted its leaders from doing their primary job which was to ensure the defense of their nation (an important lesson BOTH sides should learn in our own country)
3. Too much reliance is being put on “smart” systems and technology. I think they felt comfortable short-staffing the wall on a Holiday thinking that any incursions would be detected. I'm sure Hamas (with Iran’s assistance) noticed a exploited this. I think this is also a good lesson that “smart” technology still has a long way to go and in critical applications like defense should have benefit of robust human intelligence redundancy.
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Re: minimal staff on the wall?
Oct 13, 2023, 9:49 AM
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It shows that there is an extreme expense to adequately staffing a border wall 24/7/365 and that walls by themselves do not work. There has to be a consequence that exceeds the benefit of crossing.
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Re: minimal staff on the wall?
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Oct 13, 2023, 11:15 AM
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I completely agree that a adequately staffed and defended wall is superior to just a wall
I disagree that statement that wall doesn't work though.
You have got to admit that the wall itself greatly reduced the number of insurgents that saw the risk / reward paying off
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Re: minimal staff on the wall?
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Oct 13, 2023, 11:25 AM
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Yeah suddenly pretending like it's the walls fault Israel, for some reason, decided not to man it adequately is bizarre. That walls been a huge success for many years.
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Re: minimal staff on the wall?
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Oct 13, 2023, 8:18 PM
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dems are so stupid. When it is said the border is not secure it means there are places where there is zero/zilch/nada resistance to coming into the USA.
A wall is a logical and reasonable PART of a strategy to control immigration, like every other industrialized nation on the planet. A wall is not the total answer, as all reasonable people know, a wall can be a key part of an integrated strategy.
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