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The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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The basketball season ends......
1. Be extremely dramatic about outgoing transfers: middlebrookes was going to be great next year! Honor and dawes were so good!!! It's brownell's fault if anyone transfers!
2. Minimize the impact of incoming transfers: brevin galloway sucks! girard can't play man to man D. He is small and couldn't guard a light post!! We signed somebody from the mountain west conference???
3. Doom and gloom season predictions: we are going to suck this year! We did nothing to add to our rebounding and size! All we do is chuck up 3's and our team is not as good at shooting 3's as last year. The ACC will be much better and our non-conference is way better! Talent doesnt matter, brownell is going to brownell!
Season starts and we are playing well.
4. Downplay our SOS: boise state sucks! The ACC is weaker than ever before!
5. This is where we are now.... overdramatic and big- time expectations: oh wow our team actually looks good this year. It's final 4 or bust! ACC championship or bust! A sweet 16 appearance would be a disappointment and brownell should be fired if we only make the sweet 16.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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I’m a realist. Pleasantly surprised if we make the NCAA’s and ecstatic if we make it past the first round.
Still trying to digest the ending to last season. Give me time I will get there.
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^^^ This ^^^
Dec 10, 2023, 11:04 AM
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Not getting my hopes up too high, then less disappointment if they don't reach my expectations. The team is playing very well right now and I'm just focusing on the present. Not even thinking about what the team will be or look like come March.
I believe this is a tourney team and has picked up a lot of good resume building wins, but the committee will select who they select. Only way to guarantee a spot is to win the ACC Tourney and that's the one thing Clemson has never done. Will this year be different? We'll find out, but for the time being I'm just enjoying being 9-0.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
Dec 10, 2023, 6:39 PM
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Not hard to understand. A talented, lower classification team vs a team who was disappointed they were snubbed. It’s very common in sports
How ever you want to spin it. It was a home loss to Morehead St. Pathetic
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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Dec 6, 2023, 9:48 AM
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BREAKING NEWS - Winning doesn’t matter
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Are there really Brownell haters? I want CU BB to be good, great at times,
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sometimes Deja Vu, again and again and again gets tiresome. Hope this is finally the year Brad turns it around. Right now I'm pleasantly surprised and cautiously optimistic.
I think what most hate on here is the attempt to tear down the FB program while fan-boying over Brad. Most on here pull for all Clemson sports.
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Re: Are there really Brownell haters? I want CU BB to be good, great at times,
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Yes. Lots
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I completely disagree. There arent people who hate Brad
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But there are those needing to see a significant ROI this season, year 14!
Wanting more than mediocrity isn’t “hate”.
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Re: I completely disagree. There arent people who hate Brad
Dec 10, 2023, 11:21 AM
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A 3rd place finish is hardly mediocrity given our historical finishes
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Losing to Morehead at home is worse than mediocre.
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Dec 10, 2023, 2:18 PM
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You have to be literally delusional to think the last 13 years have been anything more than mediocre.
You can cite 3rd all you want, but no, thus isn’t your daddy’s acc anymore. Not even close. You can’t cite “history” without that irrefutable fact.
Until we do more than mediocre, the jury is out.
Great start by the Tigers. Let’s see how things go once for the season .
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Re: Are there really Brownell haters? I want CU BB to be good, great at times,
Dec 10, 2023, 11:15 AM
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sometimes Deja Vu, again and again and again gets tiresome. Hope this is finally the year Brad turns it around. Right now I'm pleasantly surprised and cautiously optimistic.
I think what most hate on here is the attempt to tear down the FB program while fan-boying over Brad. Most on here pull for all Clemson sports.
Guess you missed the 23 wins and a 3rd place regular season finish. Both of which represent top 10 in our basketball history. In other words, why would we need to rebound from one of our best ever seasons?
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Morehead St made ALL of that completely irrelevant.
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Dec 10, 2023, 2:22 PM
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In fact it justified the NCAAs decision.
These are the facts in whole. Let’s not be delusional.
Maybe this year will be different. It better be because this roster is only together for this year. Big step back in overall talent next year.
I refuse to count any chickens before they hatch. That doesn’t mean I’m not hopeful or that I somehow dislike Brad. But let’s me real here, he’s been making a top 40 salary and he’s literally led us to two top 40 finishes in 13 years. That’s not acceptable in any realistic analysis.
Let’s go Tigers! This is the year.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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If I didn't know better, I'd say you are already sounding like someone who is preparing for the historical slide, just in case. Why don't you just enjoy the great start and let the season unfold, rather than trying to create controversy where it doesn't exist. No need to take that page from the JK playbook.
Let's just pull for an 8-0 start tonight and a good spanking of those dirtpeckers. There is still room for those who want to pull for this team but still think maybe Brad has taken it as far as he can, and it doesn't have to involve any hate. These are just opinions, no better or worse than your own.
Go Tigers!
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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Someone with no history of being a Brownell dumper made a post about the ACC being down. Perhaps because this 7-0 start has folks paying a little more attention to the landscape of college basketball. Mountaineer is now in hysteric Brad defense mode.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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In his defense, the olemike novels seem to be painting the rest of us as Brownell haters, even though that is not the case. Most of us really do support the team but just think after so many years we should have been able to take the next step and are thinking maybe it is going to take someone else to do that. Like I said, just opinions, and not Brownell manifestos from most of us.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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Senile Old mike hated brownell
Viztiz said he would still want brownell fired even if we won the natty, and then tried to backtrack whxih we all knew was bs. He never says anything positive about the team, and bashes brownell every chance he gets.
Nc tigs gets on twitter and bashes players and recruits on their own posts
Ohio tiger constantly bashes brownell and said just today that it's taken brownell 14 tears to get serious about his job as if brownell has been collecting a paycheck and done nothing these lst 13 years. A lie and insult to his character
76er said today that brownell only tries when it's cotract time which is an insult to brownell's character
I could go on and on.
Nearly every thread on this board get hijacked and it ends up being arguments about brownell.
This post is spot on. The people that b!tched and moaned about how bad dawes and honor were, were the same people that complained when they transferred and blamed on brownell. These were the same people that bashed the galloway signing and downplayed the Girard signing. Just because you are oblivious to it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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2 words... so what? You get yourself all worked up because people are baiting you just like you are baiting them. When the team is 7-0 to start the season, no one should really be complaining about anything at the moment.
And if Brad is really all that upset himself, he can come up with his own 1.5er% line. He isn't relying on you to do it for him.
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BB is way too classy to make idiotic comments like the 1.5%
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I know many don’t like him, which is anyone’s right, but BB is a true Clemson man in every since of the word. He’s a quality coach and is recruiting better since getting the upgrades the Basketball program desperately needed regardless if he stays or goes. BB was the biggest driver in getting this done so at least give him some kudos to that.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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lol sorry you were offended. Obviously, you work for daddy and he doesn’t grade your performance and mommy still tells you, you are special
I do not hate Brownell and I respect the dignity he has shown in not getting us in trouble and being a decent character. I just hate losing!! Having the hope fade after an awful loss. We had that in football with Tommy Bowden and I echoed the same concerns as I do with Brownell.
I have met Brownell. Bowden and Swinney in person several times. All are great guys as far as I know. I just like my team to win.
Honestly most threads that get hijacked are because of all the Keller scocks or wannabes. Every post I said I hope we win and it is the ignorant arrogance of posters like you that still triumph Brad as the savior of the program.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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And now you’re just back to petulant, emotional flailing.
80% of my posts about Brownell are reactive to absolute nonsense posted by JK and you in efforts to aggrandize him. Except for a few instances when particularly provoked, I don’t just show up and talk #### about Brownell. And the only time I say anything remotely critical of players is when debating specific assertions. I have no interest in bad mouthing any Clemson player. Brownell is the one that should be responsible for their performance and you, on the other hand, are happy to cast aspersions towards players when you feel it makes Brownell’s performance as coach look better.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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LOL, 2 years of data? More like 2 years of your rants. You and OleMike have more in common than you think.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
Dec 6, 2023, 1:43 PM
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viztiz® do you disagree with what I said or asked ? The post was not intended to be a flame post. I wanted serious and honest discussion about how the ACC has fallen to 4th or 5th overall in basketball from the top where it was.
I think the team looks good and if injuries and things work out right we should be in the rare position. If anything that is a compliment considering our history as a basketball program.
Basketball was my first love. Growing up in ‘80s I wouldn’t miss watching games on Raycom or whatever channel the ACC was on. I scheduled vacation days so I could see the opening rounds of March Madness. Moving to NC in my middle teens, I endured ridicule and jests from the Carolina, Duke, Willie’s and Wake fans. I remember the times we upset them and I got to give it back to my friends.
The post you mentioned was not about Brownell, until they made it about Brownell. I support our team and Brownell until he is gone.
Last question for all the Brownell lovers and fans, if he is as great a coach as he is why does nobody hire him away? You say he doesn’t have resources or the university backing him, why is he still here? Why isn’t he mentioned when there are openings as a candidate? Thanks
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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Negatory, broseph. I have said this whole time that this is a great team, and they have showed that the last 7 games. I have said this whole time if we don't make the tourney this year the Brad needs to go. I continue to stand by that.
In my prediction prior to the season, i had us losing to bama and finishing the non-conference schedule 9-2. I still expect to do that, or better.
It's going to be hard to go 15-5 in conference, but i think this team can do it.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/thread/prediction-time!-2285686
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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“ have said this whole time if we don't make the tourney this year the Brad needs to go”
You said it last year too.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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Ahhh viztiz, the typical dishonest response.
I did say that i would have been good with firing him if we didn't make the tourney last year.
I also said that I would be good with keeping him if we had a good year despite not making the tournament and if we looked to have a good team coming back. I didnt foresee setting the clemson record for ACC wins and not making the tournament. I also knew the pieces we had coming back could make for a great team. Looks like i was right on that.
Those statements are both true. I wouldn't have been pissed if we fired him last year. I was also fine with him being retained.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
Dec 6, 2023, 4:37 PM
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“For the record, I have been on the fence with a slight lean to firing brownell for most of the year. These last few games have made me rethink, as our future with PJ, Schef, and middlebrooks look bright. Add in the supporting cast for next year and I would be happy to give BB 1 more year to make some noise.”
My sincerest apologies - I didnt realize “make some noise” meant not make the tourney, not make the ACC Final, not win the ACC, and lose the first game of the NIT. I guess it actually meant win a bunch of games in conference because of unbalanced scheduling allowing you to finish 3rd but ranked 6th and 7th by RPI and NET.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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Or setting a record for most acc wins in the history of clemson basketball in an underrated conference.
The most important aspect was not dropping off this year and getting even better which i predicted would happen. This would not have happened if brownell wasn't retained.
Remember when you were trying to argue that we would drop of this year because of history and such, instead of looking at actual reality?
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Re: Controversy already exists, and it's created by posters here.***
Dec 6, 2023, 1:50 PM
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On both sides of the debate…
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Re: Controversy already exists, and it's created by posters here.***
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You bring controversy on yourself. Haven’t seen anyone call Brownell lazy or arrogant lately. And most of us won’t even if he makes bad decisions or loses games. You’re just an insecure troll.
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Re: The life cycle of a Brownell Noser, he's great! Always will be. No matter
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if the record and results indicate otherwise.
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Re: The life cycle of a Clemson Mountaineers posts.
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1. Strawman
2. Strawman
3. Strawman
4. False dilemma
5. False dilemma
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Re: The life cycle of a Clemson Mountaineers posts.
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You are bad at gaslighting.
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Re: The life cycle of a Clemson Mountaineers posts.
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6. Tu Quoque fallacy
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You do realize we start every year with high hopes only for Brownell to find a
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way to crush them. I'm all excited about our start, hoping I don't get my heart ripped out like I have time and time again. We shall see how this year goes, and yes we are doing quite well and I'm hopeful, but I've seen it before . . .
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Re: You do realize we start every year with high hopes only for Brownell to find a
Dec 6, 2023, 10:27 AM
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There are those who “pull for “ Clemson and there are those who support Clemson. A big difference imo
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Re: You do realize we start every year with high hopes only for Brownell to find a
Dec 6, 2023, 11:00 AM
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Maybe only 5 players on the court at time...
Maybe making the NCAAs and not having a complete drop off next year.
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Re: You do realize we start every year with high hopes only for Brownell to find a
Dec 6, 2023, 12:47 PM
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I love how they’re already tempering post season expectations despite this great start (and these are supposed to be his supporters). It’s not that those of us frustrated with Brownell suddenly think he should have higher benchmarks than just making the NCAA tourney. THATS WHAT WE’VE ALWAYS THOUGHT! A 14th year head coach’s best season cannot be a 1 done trip to the NCAA and no conference hardware. If you get to coach longer than anyone else do something no one else has done. Win the ACC. Make a Final Four. Something.
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Re: You do realize we start every year with high hopes only for Brownell to find a
Dec 6, 2023, 12:39 PM
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The want us to be pre-happy if this team goes 27–4, finishes in the top 2 of the ACC regular season, but doesn’t make an ACC final or make it out of the first weekend of the NCAA tournament so that Brownell gets that big, fat raise and extension because that - more than results - is what they crave.
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Re: You do realize we start every year with high hopes only for Brownell to find a
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You think I crave for another man to make more money more than clemson basketball winning?
You might be the most insane, delusional poster on this board. Holy hell!
And to be clear, you would be angry/deem this season a failure with a 27-4 record, regular season ACC championship if we lost to a duke/unc/miami type in the semis and lost in the round of 32?
I mean dont get me wrong i want more than that, but for you to basically say that the season would be a failure if we do that is insane. Lmao.
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Re: You do realize we start every year with high hopes only for Brownell to find a
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This is hilarious..... you just proved point 5 in the cycle. Ridiculous expectations. A 27-4 season is a failure unless we win ACC hardware, or make it to the elite 8!
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We are Charlie Brown. Brad Brownell is Lucy, and that football is the success
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his teams have at the start, and sometimes middle, sometimes near end of seasons. But, sure as night follows day, Lucy yanks that football away at the last possible moment, leaving us flat on our backs, shaking our heads that we fell for it all over again, saying "ARGHH!. I CAN'T STAND IT!"
The only thing more constant is the Judge Keller scok army defending CBB, even when no one is on his case, like right now. That kind of blind loyalty is USUALLY only seen around Cooterville.
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I don't have any scoks.
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Dec 6, 2023, 12:55 PM
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But since you and others keep saying that I do, hopefully B-Meist® or Crump® can finally lay this ridiculous accusation to rest.
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Re: I don't have any scoks.
Dec 6, 2023, 12:57 PM
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lol - I’m sure you have NO IDEA how to get around ip logging.
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Re: I don't have any scoks.
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Dec 6, 2023, 4:50 PM
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But since you and others keep saying that I do, hopefully B-Meist® or Crump® can finally lay this ridiculous accusation to rest.
They are wrong about everything else, why stop at this JK burner account conspiracy?
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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Dec 6, 2023, 10:50 AM
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
Dec 6, 2023, 10:58 AM
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No more excuses.
Make the NCAAs or GTFO
and no contract extensions until there is a pattern of success.
Making the NCAAs 2 or 3 times in 15 years doesn't cut it.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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Dec 6, 2023, 11:02 AM
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Based on 14 years of history it is understandable that some are reluctant to jump in just yet. If we finish in the top 20 several years in a row there would likely be some believers.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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Dec 6, 2023, 11:05 AM
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More like oh look we aren’t in the tournament again and again and again oh finally get in. Then back to not getting in again and again and again. I haven’t celebrated nor downplayed any of our players that have signed because I’ve learned not to ever have expectations for a BB team. We’ve started great so let’s see how we finish. Long season.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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Dec 6, 2023, 11:07 AM
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I still have not found anyone who hates Brad Brownell.
That just seems to be your weird little fantasy.
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
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Thats it, exaggerate and stir it up.
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Dec 6, 2023, 12:58 PM
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Typical.
Is it cool if fans want to see some tangible results in March instead of December?
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Re: Thats it, exaggerate and stir it up.
Dec 6, 2023, 1:06 PM
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Apparently, no.
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Morehead St was at the conclusion of one of our best seasons ever.
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Dec 10, 2023, 10:53 AM
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Now maybe you’ll understand the apprehension. You act like losses like this don’t dot Brads entire career. If they didn’t, then he’d be as successful as your acting.
We all love this team this year. Let’s hope we can avoid the headscratching losses and finally see some dividends in year 14.
Go Tigers!
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I hope you're going to be okay with the 98.5% of us that enjoy
Dec 10, 2023, 6:24 PM
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Clemson basketball winning games and taking names. It's been a languishing stretch here for a long while so this season's bright aura is a most welcome development.
Go Tigers!
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Re: The life cycle (last 2 years) of being a being brownell hater
Dec 10, 2023, 6:36 PM
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Is this an ‘everybody aught to love Brownell’ post, or an attack on Brownell critiques or your personal experience as a Brownell hater?
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