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OL will be the difference
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Sep 20, 2023, 7:33 AM
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I am thinking we will know after the first three offensive possessions if we have a chance this weekend. The OL has to show up. If they can't create running lanes, heck gaps, then it will be a very long day. I hope the 3 quarter of last weeks game isn't a sign of what's to come.
I for one and shocked at our poor OL play. I sincerely thought that position group was going to make a major leap and be a strength of this years team. It seems like every plan, at least one O-lineman misses an assignment and the lack of push puzzling. I have yet to see a play this year where they impose their will and knock the D-line backwards and this is against avg. to sub avg. competition.
Is this a strength and conditioning issue? I realize a lot of OL play is technique and leverage but still, it seems like our guys get bullied. It was strange that several OL actually lost weight this year. When comparing our OL to Bama, Georgia, Tenn, Texas, and even Oregon, our guys don't seem to have the same body composition.
Really wish we could crack the code on the OL. I know recruiting rankings aren't everything and OL is by far the most difficult position to project but looking at our current roster of highly rated players, I can't believe we have missed on every single evaluation. Something just doesn't add up. I doubt any of our 5 would start at Bama, LSU, Georgia, Texas, ect.
Saturday will be big boy football, I hope the OL surprises us all. If we can control the line of scrimmage, mount an effective running attack that forces the safeties into the box, I think we have the ability to make some big plays like Brown's TD last week.
We will see...
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Paw Warrior [4604]
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GO TIGERS HAMMER DA Semi-HOLES!***
Sep 20, 2023, 8:25 AM
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Re: OL will be the difference
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Sep 20, 2023, 8:26 AM
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I think the first problem is OL coaching. If we're going to use zone blocking, the players need to learn the fundamentals of the zone scheme and execute it better. Too many times I see successful defensive slants, twists and stunts. Here's a primer on the difference between zone and drive blocking and what's required of an O-lineman:
https://footballadvantage.com/zone-blocking/
The second problem I suspect is strength (or lack of it). There's a difference between strength and conditioning. Good conditioning results in the ability to perform for a longer duration at a given level of effort. Strength is the ability to move an opponent against his will. Our O-linemen seem to have good conditioning, but it's at a lower level of physical effort than what is needed to move the D-line the way we need to in order to open running lanes. More strength coupled with good conditioning should give us a great deal of improvement.
The third problem I see is that we're often zone blocking from a stand-up position and trying to just push the opponent away from the point of attack. I think if we incorporated a drive blocking posture and got lower on the D-linemen, we'd be more successful because we would then be using leg power to move the defenders.
I guess my opinion is that we should use a drive blocking posture within a zone blocking scheme. The hard part wouold be to keep an eye on the second level while engaged with a defender - but then that goes back to coaching.
I'll check with Dabo and let you know what he says.... ">">
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Game Day Hero [4420]
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Re: OL will be the difference
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Sep 20, 2023, 8:33 AM
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Thanks for the information. It drives me nuts in short yardage and goal line when there’s no push and our Oline is standing up or worse got pushed back a couple yards. If we know it’s a run play why not drive block? It seems like zone blocking defeats the play if there was no intention to pass the ball.
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Re: OL will be the difference
Sep 20, 2023, 8:37 AM
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At times like that, I think you're exactly right and.... it's nothing new. I've complained about it for several years.
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Head Coach [935]
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Re: OL will be the difference
Sep 20, 2023, 9:03 AM
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I agree with you 100%. I have never been a big fan of zone blocking schemes as it is designed to allow the DL to get up field, this assumes you can direct your defender away from the hole and point of attack. The problem is that if you can't do this or if there is a run blitz, now you could have a defender loose in the backfield which we have seen a lot of the last few year.
Drive blocking means you trying to kick someone's a$$. We need to be the bully not the bullied.
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Clemson Conqueror [11619]
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Re: OL will be the difference. Zone play + TE blocking
Sep 20, 2023, 9:57 AM
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It isn’t zone blocking scheme of our OL that is our problem.
Rather, it is two factors:
Our OL players can’t seem to make the in-play adjustment from double teaming a defender D-lineman to having one of the blockers engaged in the double team adjust to picking up the blitzing LB. There are such things as a run blitz; we stink at picking up this; it leads to a no-gain running play.
The other factor is poor run blocking by our star TE. He’s awful in this area. Ennis is OK. We REALLY miss Davis Allen.
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Re: OL will be the difference. Zone play + TE blocking
Sep 20, 2023, 11:03 AM
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Well, that IS one of the negative possible results of poor zone blocking. Drive blocking is man-on-man, with each man responsible for one defender - and a second if he can get to the second level.
Zone blocking involves double-team blocking to pick up defenders aligned between 2 O-linemen - something that initiates a gap - so you're wasting a blocker to accomplish the double-team and creating an opening for a slasher. One of the double-team blockers is supposed to slide off the block to pick up any crashers through the gap, but if the O-lineman fails to see or is late seeing the crasher - or late reacting, you get a very bad circumstance of a slasher in the backfield - the very thing zone-blocking is supossed to prevent.
As for the TE blocking, you're correct that it's dismal - and it has been ever since Jordan Leggett. Leggett was a great receiver, but a lousy blocker - that's on strength and coaching. I agree that Davis Allen was a great TE - not fast, but he was strong and sure could block and execute a corner fade.
So, imo your 2 factors of failure are not due to zone-blocking, but rather faulty zone-blocking - and the execution is due to lack of strength and poor coaching.
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Orange Blooded [2561]
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Re: OL will be the difference
Sep 20, 2023, 8:30 AM
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You’re right. They’ll probably be the difference. Just not in a good way.
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Its coaching
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Sep 20, 2023, 9:04 AM
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No way every team we play, year after year has better recruits. We get pushed around by every team we play, even FCS teams.
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Re: Its coaching
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Sep 20, 2023, 9:18 AM
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If we don't put pressure on their QB, it won't matter. He will pick us apart.
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National Champion [8006]
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Re: Its coaching
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Sep 20, 2023, 10:02 AM
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This. It boils down to getting to Travis and being able to rattle him good. He’s the key to FSU’s success.
If the DL or the OL cannot be effective in winning in the trenches, it will be a long, painful day.
Given what I’ve seen from the past 3 games, I have no idea what to expect from this Tiger team.
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