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Ring of Honor [22001]
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I'll get flamed for this by the younger crowd
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but the portal and the way it is being used (in most cases) is because of the entitled generations now playing football. Kids that have grown up without having to earn everything they have because of all the extra exposure on social media, etc.
A lot of them have never been allowed to fail and then when they do (or don't get the playing time they think they deserve, etc) they leave.
Is what it is at this point and it isn't going anywhere, but it makes me respect the kids that stay at a university for four years, pay their dues, and succeed even more.
There are cases where the portal isn't a bad thing. But in a majority of transfer kids it is because they don't want to work hard enough or wait for their time to come.
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Clemson Icon [24075]
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We knew some would leave after Dabo's
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Nov 30, 2023, 10:49 AM
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25 Days to Prove You Belong on this team speech. It's the MODERN Way
You don't have to really go back that far to see how it was different.
Nuk, he's been vocal in the past about the Sammy.Sammy Sammy stuff when SW2 was a freshman. What'd he do ? Sit and pout ? No. Leave ? Heck NO. He spent every moment he could working on snatching the ball out of the air, making himself one of the best WR to wear THE Paw.
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You aren't saying anything that many folks, including myself,
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Nov 30, 2023, 10:50 AM
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haven't believed all along.
When the NCAA morons tampered with the transfer rule, they proved they didn't understand the mentality of 18 and 19-year-olds, even some 20 and 21-year-olds. I just don't understand the abject stupidity associated with that decision...one that is now biting the assssses of schools across the nation.
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RA'd for use of profanity***
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Now, now, ole Friend....Don't be talking out of your a--.***
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Re: Now, now, ole Friend....Don't be talking out of your a--.***
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Nov 30, 2023, 12:18 PM
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Easy to see this is one of those youngsters. Probably still living off Mom and Dad😁
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Game Changer [1977]
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Re: I'll get flamed for this by the younger crowd
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Nov 30, 2023, 10:51 AM
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Yes, the entitlement of wanting to make money off of your talents and abilities - god forbid we allow people to use their capabilities to earn money.
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I was stating my opinion
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Nov 30, 2023, 10:53 AM
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and they have the opportunity to make money with their abilities at the next level, just like every other college kid when they graduate and get a job.
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Game Changer [1977]
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Re: I was stating my opinion
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Nov 30, 2023, 11:19 AM
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Yes, and kids in college also have the ability to get a job and make money. Or start a youtube channel and make money. But these kids shouldn't be allowed to because it makes you unhappy?
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Ring of Honor [22001]
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They get a free education, meals, housing, and stipends
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Nov 30, 2023, 11:23 AM
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Trust me...D1 athletes are much better off than most college kids working a part-time job while going to school.
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Game Changer [1977]
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Re: They get a free education, meals, housing, and stipends
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Nov 30, 2023, 11:24 AM
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And that means they shouldn't be able to receive market value for what they provide why exactly?
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CU Guru [1537]
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What is a degree at Clemson worth? With meals, tutoring, special privileges etc.***
Nov 30, 2023, 12:13 PM
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Re: They get a free education, meals, housing, and stipends
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Nov 30, 2023, 11:28 AM
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Coaches salaries go up, tv money goes up, schools make more money
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That scholarship is still good enough.
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CU Guru [1537]
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Last I checked, tuition has gone up just like all those other things you mention***
Nov 30, 2023, 12:14 PM
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Re: I was stating my opinion
Nov 30, 2023, 11:58 AM
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Why artificially prevent them from making it in college?
That just means someone else gets their share of the product they produced. What is it about not liking capitalism when it comes to sports?
If you want it to be amateur, then what argument do you have for paying coaches such high salaries to coach and amateur game?
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Re: I'll get flamed for this by the younger crowd
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Hard to argue with the athletes. As they watched universities spend millions to build ever larger and more lavish athletic facilities, spend millions on ever bigger coaching contracts, and receive millions from tv revenue, it's not surprising that athletes (many of whom come from meager backgrounds) began to question the fairness of it all. I don't like what has happened to college FB, but I understand why it happened.
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I blame EA Sports.
Nov 30, 2023, 11:22 AM
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No one even thought about it until that game. They just got paid by boosters under the table.
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Ok, fine, have it your way.
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Nov 30, 2023, 11:20 AM
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So just like any other contract, add a non-compete clause. Bet that wouldn't fly. They want all the benefit with none of the risk.
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I agreed with you 100%... it's a me world now.***
Nov 30, 2023, 10:53 AM
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Re: I agreed with you 100%... it's a me world now.***
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It's a "me world" now? It's always been a "me" world. Hell the guy who made this post is complaining about young men leveraging their talents and position into earning money because it affects his enjoyment of the game, yet somehow they're the selfish ones who are living in a "me" world?
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Ring of Honor [22001]
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I didn't mention my enjoyment of the game at all
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Nov 30, 2023, 11:27 AM
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so get off your high horse and just disagree with what I said if that's what you believe.
I just think a lot of players are using it for the wrong reasons. Period.
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Game Changer [1977]
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Re: I didn't mention my enjoyment of the game at all
Nov 30, 2023, 11:34 AM
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If it's not affecting your enjoyment of the game or the sport why are you posting about it as if it's negative?
And who are you to decide what the right reasons are?
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Ring of Honor [22001]
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It's called an opinion, man.
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Nov 30, 2023, 11:36 AM
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It's a sports forum. Get over yourself.
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Game Changer [1977]
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Re: It's called an opinion, man.
Nov 30, 2023, 11:52 AM
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It's a bad one. People having freedom and control over their actions and their person is a good thing. You're advocating for less of it under the guise of "they're doing the wrong thing" when it's plain as day you do like it because it affects how you can enjoy the game. It's time to grow up.
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Re: It's called an opinion, man.
Nov 30, 2023, 11:53 AM
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They had the same freedom in decision making when they committed to a school to play. But I respect your opinion, and have a different one. See how that works?
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Game Changer [1977]
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Re: It's called an opinion, man.
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This notion that all opinions should be respected regardless of how dumb they are needs to die. Hold a dumb opinion, you should be called out for it.
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Re: It's called an opinion, man.
Nov 30, 2023, 11:57 AM
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Unfortunately, I guess we can’t all be as smart as you. LOL
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I think social pressure of comparison is huge on social media for young people
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Nov 30, 2023, 10:55 AM
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These days. They all watch these influencers or streamers who make like $100k a month just for playing video games or making “content” and think their life sucks if they aren’t doing that.
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"influencers" what a laugh
Nov 30, 2023, 11:10 AM
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Re: "influencers" what a laugh
Nov 30, 2023, 11:51 AM
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I laughed too until my buddy told me his kid pulls down $250k a year by streaming himself playing video games. It's a new world out there gramps. The quicker Dabo starts adapting to it the quicker we can return to a 10+ win season.
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This is the result of kids being given participation trophies,
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little league teams not keeping score, and kids being told their feelings matter.
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i agree 100% and it is the same in the workplace too. there is no loyalty
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Nov 30, 2023, 11:03 AM
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either way anymore.
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Game Changer [1977]
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Re: i agree 100% and it is the same in the workplace too. there is no loyalty
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Why would there be loyalty in the workplace? Raises don't match inflation, profits get redirected towards corporate level execs, pensions are a thing of the past...why should anyone be loyal to a workplace?
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Re: i agree 100% and it is the same in the workplace too. there is no loyalty
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correction, there is no loyalty from employees because there is no loyalty from the employer. Don't act like this is an employee only issue.
It's a mutual contract, you do not owe your employer anything beyond that.
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Guess you don't respect DW and TL: only 3 years.***
Nov 30, 2023, 11:14 AM
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I do, actually. They did all of their time at CU and left for the NFL
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Nov 30, 2023, 11:25 AM
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that's a much different scenario.
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Re: I do, actually. They did all of their time at CU and left for the NFL
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TMitchell you sure hit a nerve with a few posters on this thread. I for one am getting sick and tired of this me too society. Want everything just given to them. Just think they’ll be the ones running this country in a few years. What a mess it will be, and a lot worse than it is now.
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Re: I do, actually. They did all of their time at CU and left for the NFL
Nov 30, 2023, 12:10 PM
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Hold on, this topic is specifically about college football players getting paid. They aren't asking for anything to just be given to them. They are putting a real tangible product on the field that other people are happy to pay for.
Are you not a capitalist?
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You do realize there are skilled players who work their ##### off but see nothing because they are stuck on a trash team? You sound dense not every transfer is a diva who couldn’t get playing time
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What a lazy take.
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Folks in the older generations (and I’m in one of the older generations) whining about young people being “entitled” has almost lost all meaning.
Entitled? Really? You think they believe the money is coming without them doing the work, putting in the hours in the gym, in the classroom, etc?
They know their value within this billion dollar industry. They know it’s nothing without them. Frankly, it’s surprising that this is only happening now. And it kind of makes previous generations of players look like suckers.
Dabo calls it “entitled” because he doesn’t know how to use the word. He does the same thing when he misuses and overuses “narrative.” Surely, you’re smarter than that. This isn’t about entitlement.
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Offensive Star [345]
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I should add that I focused on
Nov 30, 2023, 11:34 AM
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money in that reply because that and the portal are tied. It’s all business, and these kids are making business decisions.
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Did guys like Mitchell Mayes, Hunter Helms, and Beaux Collins transfer because they did not want to work hard or wait for their time to come?
What about Kelly Bryant, Chase Brice, Kobe Pace, Taveon Feaster, Frank Ladson, DJ Uiagelelei, Ej Williams, Decari Collins, ect.?
Most of these guys are older and getting buried on the depth chart by more talented younger players or were not receiving the NFL draft grades they had hoped and are looking for a different system to showcase their talents.
How much money Did Keon Coleman make by going to FSU just to increase his draft stock?
The first pick last year was more than 40 million guaranteed vs the last pick in the second round is only 6.2 million and it keeps going down from there.
Sure there are players who think they should be gifted a spot on the roster just for showing up, but that is not the majority. Most guys just want a chance to keep pursing their dream.
I know it's bad for Clemson and for most guys it's a bad decision to make. The mirror still travels with you and only 1.6% of college players ever make an NFL roster with most never making it out of their rookie contracts. They choose football over a degree and while in most cases I think it is a bad decision, it is not a decision I feel like I have any right to make for them.
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Re: I'll get flamed for this by the younger crowd
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Keon Coleman may be the luckiest player to ever play the game the way Michigan State melted down... and his NIL value went up by the hundreds of thousands...
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CU Medallion [20860]
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No sweat.
Nov 30, 2023, 11:37 AM
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Old farts were saying the same thing about your generation back in the day, and the generation before that, and the one before that, etc.
Go Tigers.
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Re: I'll get flamed for this by the younger crowd
Nov 30, 2023, 11:37 AM
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Do you hold the same opinion of coaches that leave their team before the season is over because they took a job at another school?
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Orange Blooded [2160]
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blame California and the NCAA for this mess...
I'm hoping someone can figure it out because it's broken as it stands right now...
NIL and Transfers have changed the landscape ...
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Yeah, "me, me, me, now, now, now" is probably a part of it...
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Nov 30, 2023, 11:59 AM
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Are the Coach's entitled if they want to take more money somewhere else?
These aren't your average kids. Some of them have a real talent that people will literally pay to watch. Why that should all go to the Coaches, Networks, Schools but not the ones who are the actual product, I have no idea why you would think that.
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BS. It is because the adults in charge did not have a plan
Nov 30, 2023, 12:17 PM
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Anyone with half a brain could see that NIL was inevitable. But those making massive profits from the efforts of unpaid student athletes (Power5 schools/NCAA/conferences,etc) tried to squeeze every last dime available before they had to start sharing their profit. I am sorry about the chaos that NIL and the portal have brought to college football. Had the power brokers had anything but their own self-interest in mind, perhaps a simpler and saner system would have resulted. And I am 69 years old.
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Re: I'll get flamed for this by the younger crowd
Nov 30, 2023, 12:38 PM
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I am wondering how many of you guys who, offered a better paying position or a position for more room for advancement, would choose to just grind along at your original company and hope for the best (for you and your family)
When these guys were playing for Clemson, we spoke of their character and drive in glowing terms, but as soon as they look to improve their situation, we question their intelligence and commitment.
Life is change.
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Re: I'll get flamed for this by the younger crowd
Nov 30, 2023, 12:44 PM
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I don't love the lack of controls on the portal or NIL, but give me a break. College football is a massive business and, until two years ago, players had virtually no rights, no freedom of movement, and no ability to make some of the money that they were earning for everyone else. It is parents' and coaches' responsibility to teach these virtues, but using those virtues as a rationale to keep players from getting basic rights is nonsense. They don't owe you, me, or anyone else anything.
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