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Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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I think the majority will argue that, yes, it already as. They cite a lack of player loyalty to their university and team. This diminishes the joy, for some fans, of investing emotional energy in the enjoyment of recruiting wins when the players commit out of high school. That joy can be stripped away months later when the recruiting win becomes a transfer portal loss. These fans would argue that the current system takes away the reward of building a program on ageless values such as loyalty, trust, commitment, and perseverance. Why cultivate lasting relationships with high school coaches and players' families that reap benefits on national signing day, when a pile of money can accomplish the same thing without effort.
There are others that will argue that NIL and the transfer portal has done nothing to damage the game. They cite the quality of the on the field product. There is little question that the semifinal games on Monday were the best pair of semifinal games played since the inception of the playoff format. Without question the competitive balance was clear in these two games. Further, these were a different set of teams, involving fan bases and television markets that were left out in the most recent years.
For me the question comes down to sustainability. There are teams such as Clemson, Ole' Miss, Nebraska, Washington State, Oklahoma State, heck, I'll even throw Alabama in that mix. Can these teams from smaller market areas, or less economically advantaged states, consistently compete over time in a highest bidder game played by schools with one huge doner, such as Oregon, or schools with huge alumni bases such as Michigan, or schools from wealthy states, such as Texas A & M? I think we all know the answer to that question.
So when college football is whittled down to 20-30 teams that can compete consistently, the fan support of a national sport will be turned over to the graduates and fans of the few major players remaining. When national fan support is taken away the television revenue stream fueling the current insanity will be negatively impacted and the keepers of the farm will be guilty of killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
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If NIL and the Transfer Portal are just allowed to continue to run along
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unchecked as they are right now, CLEMSON will NOT be among those schools who survive at the top of the sport. We just don't have the numbers of living Alumni to make it happen like some of these schools do, NOR do we have a Phil Knight in our corner. Add in, or more appropriately, SUBTRACT OUT that $50 million or so a year that BIG and SEC teams will have to spend above and beyond what the ACC brings in for Clemson, and the situation is even more dire.
As Rodney Dangerfield once said, "Suddenly, I'm DEPRESSED!"
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Re: If NIL and the Transfer Portal are just allowed to continue to run along
Jan 6, 2024, 10:58 AM
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Allowed? ?? What part of the 9-0 Supreme Court NIL decision did you miss?
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all the NFL has to do is remove the education requirement to be drafted
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Jan 5, 2024, 8:47 AM
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CFB -> B1G (NFC) and SEC (AFC).
CFB -> if it makes a lot more money. The NFL will remove the education ban. And the whole thing will crumble. Disney and Fox are making strong bet against the corporate sponsors of the NFL.
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I don't see that happening. Very few high school players are
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physically ready for the NFL. As it stands, the NFL gets free player development in the college game.
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Re: I don't see that happening. Very few high school players are
Jan 5, 2024, 11:15 AM
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Exactly! The NFL profits every year from getting NFL-ready players without having to pay a dime for minor leagues.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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Jan 5, 2024, 8:52 AM
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Yes, college football is currently broken. However, I feel that NIL, the portal, and the ACC GOR will all soon be moot points. Three years from now, we will be looking at Dabo’s predicted vision for the top D1 football programs which will be a separate division with different rules.
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Dont think Dabo has a monopoly on that vision.***
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Re: Dont think Dabo has a monopoly on that vision.***
Jan 5, 2024, 1:24 PM
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I don’t but I remember him being one of the first to state where this was all heading. Dabo caught a lot of grief and backlash for his opinion too.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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I don’t see it. You can’t unring that bell! NIL is going nowhere. I foresee strict rules and common sense governance of the portal. I think a player should show an absolute need to transfer. Make them prove they have a legit complaint. Unless they’ve graduated and have eligibility to burn.
NIL money should be placed in a trust fund and paid out upon graduation. If they transfer, they lose those dollars. It should have a yearly cap. Low six figures would be a great starting point. Four years could equal as much as $400k. There should be an emergency layout of the student athlete shows true need. They would be paid the amount needed and receipts should be turned in to prove said emergency use.
Coaches should not be able to actively contact currently enrolled students who have showed no interest in transferring. Antonio Williams has been offered life changing money to leave us. This makes me sick.
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You think? $$ ruins anything when it becomes the driving force.***
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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This is what happens when you turn an amateur sport into professional. It’s all about the money and you can thank all of the liberal woke sports media for relentlessly ramming down our throats the “black college football players are oppressed and enslaved and they MUST be given money” mantra.
Yeah, they’ve wrecked it but what did you expect now that we live in The United States of Wokeness?
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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Capitalism = woke?
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People that claim this issue is 'woke' are quite simply
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Morons
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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No liberal idiots and socialism = woke...I am entitled,,,so pay me...I don't want stupid education anyway so pay me...I have been purchased from the womb to the tomb so pay me...don't mind killing a dream that some have for something we may never have...Pay me...I need money and a place where I can act like an entertainer...can't we all just get along while I'm being paid!
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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Jan 5, 2024, 8:57 AM
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Whittled down to 20 or 30 teams who can compete? When has there ever been a time when 30 teams competed? Certainly not in recent history - prior to the TP and NIL. There have been about 12 different teams win national championships over the past 30 years. I don't think either the transfer portal or NIL are the reasons there aren't more teams competiing for titles.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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Jan 5, 2024, 9:03 AM
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I think it’s the main reason Clemson isn’t. NIL has hurt recruiting here and the portal has hurt roster development. It’s no coincidence the dip in success here started at about the same time as NIL and Transfer Portal.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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Maybe but couldn't you also trace the dip in success (by that, I mean not fielding championship caliber teams) to the loss of two phenom QBs and Brent Venables, as well as the ability to recruit and develop NFL WRs - becase you had NFL caliber QBs?
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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Jan 5, 2024, 9:18 AM
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Yep, again NIL. Those guys used to crave Clemson because of the big play QBs and WRs. That was before the NIL. Now they go to the highest bidder. Who can blame them?
Another reason IMO for the fall here is stupid coaching hires. It was incredibly arrogant of a 2 time natty winning coach to replace great assistant coaches and coordinators with people that had no big time experience and some none at all (RB coach).
Has there ever been a guy that dominated the sport for 6 straight years decide to hire the garbage that Dabo did? He’s far from stupid, so it had to be extreme arrogance and complacency.
At least he has replaced some. Not enough though.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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The OL coach replacement was the biggest reason for the slip the last 3 years, IMO. Couple that with quite a few whiffs on WRs and a QB...we are where we are. Major change with Luke, so time will tell.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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I think Covid was the start of the decline at Clemson. We rely on getting players to campus for recruits. We were denied that for close to 2 years. That really hurt. NIL and the portal have certainly not helped either.
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Since 2000, the following teams have either been
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in the playoffs or played in the national title game:
Michigan, Alabama, Texas, Washington, UGA, TCU, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Clemson, LSU, Oklahoma, Michigan State, FSU, Oregon, Auburn, Florida, USC, Miami, Nebraska
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Re: Since 2000, the following teams have either been
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If you back that up another 7 years (30 years), Tennessee is the only addition.
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Which completes my argument that there are 20-30 teams
Jan 5, 2024, 10:38 AM
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that can compete currently. If the NIL goes unchecked, how many will there be 5 years, 10 years down the road? IMHO I don't believe all those 25 ish teams will be able to stay competitive.
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Re: Which completes my argument that there are 20-30 teams
Jan 5, 2024, 11:03 AM
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I think it’s transfer rules hurting everyone more than NIL. But NIL does hurt some schools.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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Jan 5, 2024, 8:58 AM
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It’s ruined it and made it in impossible to manage for coaching staffs. But everyone is at least using the portal to help themselves except for Clemson.
I’d say it has hurt Clemson ten times worse than the other powers. Like the recruit said, Dabo does not like change. This is a bad time to have that personality trait. His offense needs help very bad.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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I'll still watch it, in my opinion it has gone the way of NASCAR, the NFL, the NBA, and MLB. People will still watch it, but the enthusiasm and ownership of the teams we once had is missing. I simply don't care as much anymore... it's no longer that important to me. We all know it's only about $$$ now.
Like I said, I'll still watch it, which makes me part of the problem.
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As a former student-athlete...
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Jan 5, 2024, 9:04 AM
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I have no objection to student-athletes benefitting financially from their names, likenesses, and images. That said, I am also a firm believer that there needs to be some degree of governance and control over both NIL and the transfer portal to minimize if not eliminate the inevitable albeit unintended lawlessness and misconduct that has resulted since the current system has been effectively left unregulated and unsupervised.
Remedying the transfer issue would be a pretty easy fix. Simply revert back to the old transfer rules.
Every player gets five years to play four. If a player wants to transfer, that's fine, but everyone, without exception or regardless of circumstances, must sit out one year before being eligible to play again. That one step alone would remedy a lot of the current problems.
Regulating/controlling NIL is the bigger of the two problems. Now that the horse is out of the barn, good luck putting it back. The number of restraint of trade and limiting earning capacity lawsuits would be ridiculous. The biggest problem is that NIL payments to athletes are not supposed to be used as a recruiting inducement or as pay for play, but that is clearly happening nothing is being done about it.
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Helll yes!!!!***
Jan 5, 2024, 9:13 AM
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I think the thing that has "ruined" college football is...
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not having to sit out a year if you transfer. The other two would not be near the issue if players still had to wait a year.
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Re: I think the thing that has "ruined" college football is...
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Agree. Plus, I think that's the one thing the powers to be can control.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
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Once again, players should have to sign 3 year contracts with the NIL of their choice.
This would fix problems on both sides. Donors would be more careful about throwing multiple millions of dollars at an unproven player for 3 years.
Players would not be able to jump around from team to team.
This is business now not student athletes. They must face the consequences that go with the money they are paid.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
Jan 5, 2024, 9:36 AM
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No Clemson cannot compete with Universities like Ohio State and Texas who have collectives with big pots of money for recruits. So the days of National Championships are gone. Getting into the playoffs will happen, but not into the final.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
Jan 5, 2024, 9:45 AM
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NO. Go back and watch our bowl game and the 2 semi final games and you will see how wrong you are. When the ball is kicked off, the game is just as good as it has ever been.
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I'm not arguing about the games themselves.***
Jan 5, 2024, 10:06 AM
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Unfortunately, yes.
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Jan 5, 2024, 9:53 AM
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Before NIL and the portal, fans could identify with the players due to the belief that players selected Clemson because of the merits of Clemson University itself, in the same way we believe that Clemson is special.
However, now in college football SOME players seem to have more allegiance to their contracts than to their school (it still is a school, right?)
We want to support our players with the same passion they want to play for us… to be connected and represent Clemson! … and if they’re just going to play for $$$ and then jump ship for a better offer, the feeling that “we’re all in this together” evaporates.
You can’t unbreak an egg … and when you break college football with $$$, unfortunately there’s no going back.
I think Dabo’s hesitance to hit the portal hard like other teams do is refreshing because he’s sticking by the players that chose us. I think he’s well aware that once more than a player or two or three are brought in to fill gaps, it becomes a business and college football loses its unique characteristic in the landscape of sports … and people lose interest.
My favorite team to support and attend games is Clemson because of my history and emotional ties to the university. I’m sure many college fans feel the same was about their teams.
Who knows what will happen when those ties are broken?
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Re: Unfortunately, yes.
Jan 5, 2024, 11:09 AM
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This only helps Dabo if the rules changes back to you must sit out a year before you play. Dabo not using the portal only hurts his program and causes the fan base to argue about what he is doing.
I really don’t understand why he won’t encourage a few misses to leave and replace them with veterans who can help. Only a few not Colorado or FSU. Like Bama or UGA.
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Not yet, but it will if not regulated***
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
Jan 5, 2024, 10:10 AM
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Michigan / Alabama was the highest viewed came of the CFP Era.
Regardless of what this board thinks - people are still very much dialed into the product on the field.
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The OP argued about sustainability
Jan 5, 2024, 10:25 AM
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OP also agreed with this years games being arguably the best semifinals ever. The question is, is this sustainable. In other words will there be teams from all over the country that are competitive each year.
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I think what will happen is the long time loyal fans, like most of us, will have
Jan 5, 2024, 10:43 AM
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our enthusiasm wane and many of us will quit or reduce our ticket buying and watching.
The new fans that the recent changes have brought in will turn their fickle heads toward the next shiny thing in a few years and then you'll see more empty stadiums and tv networks wanting to renegotiate the deals because they can't pay the agreed-to sums.
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Not at all an unlikely scenario
Jan 5, 2024, 10:51 AM
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I would hate to see college football in general and Clemson football in particular have to go through that.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
Jan 5, 2024, 11:10 AM
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To the extent that NIL favors large schools, large alumni bases, and those schools close to major marketing areas, it certainly does not help Clemson and all other schools in similar circumstances. Therefore it exacerbates the lack of parity that already existed between the haves and the have nots. Ruin may be too strong of a word, but definitely NIL has distorted the sport. Personally I needed to take a step back from these past several years, what a ride!
Go Tigers!
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There was no PO final better than Clemson/Bama when DW was our QB.
Jan 5, 2024, 7:26 PM
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We recruited out players, Bama bought theirs. We can still win no matter how much other teams pay their players. You can't buy starters and backup and you can't teach a player a system in his 1st year with your program.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
Jan 5, 2024, 7:26 PM
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
Jan 5, 2024, 8:52 PM
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Honestly, I really don’t care. As long as Clemson plays football and Sloan Street has bars I will be there.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
Jan 6, 2024, 9:55 AM
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If college football is allowed to continue down this illicit path that they are on - then I think college football is in real trouble.
However, I don't think that it will continue this way. I think we are already seeing signs that college football will endeavor to pay the athletes directly - which will give them a chance to regulate (if they can be wise enough) the money and the academics and the recruiting in such a way that the game can survive. It will be significantly different, but it will not become the cesspool that it currently threatens to become.
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
Jan 6, 2024, 10:01 AM
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NIL, not really, but the transfer portal is the biggest problem. Make them sit out a year and it will fix most of the problems. Right now it is essentially free agency
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Re: Has NIL and the transfer portal ruined college football?
Jan 6, 2024, 10:46 AM
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Of course not...take a look at the Orange Bowl and say that again...all the Seminole fans have been ripped off by their university and football program...quick fix, buy some players, little reason to go there otherwise...given few of those recruited give a hoot about an education...the student athlete has morphed into the pay me MO football junkie! College football was ruined long ago when it was decided to cancel the student part...now it's just a cheap farm team that the NFL don't have to pay for...now it's on idiot life support!
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No...it has and will make it better***
Jan 6, 2024, 11:13 AM
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