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Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
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Feb 22, 2023, 7:22 AM
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Defense expert says Murdaugh’s height makes it ‘unrealistic’ to have killed wife
BMARCHANT@THESTATE.COM JMONK@THESTATE.COM
The gunman who killed Maggie Murdaugh must have been far shorter than Alex Murdaugh, currently on trial for the murders of his wife and son, a gunshot expert testified for the defense Tuesday.
North Carolina-based forensic engineer Mike Sutton said it would be “very unlikely” that the tall, now lanky Murdaugh could have been Maggie’s shooter who left bullet holes in the walls of the dog kennels, where Murdaugh is accused of shooting his wife and youngest son, Paul, the night of June 7, 2021.
Sutton performed analysis on the bullet trajectories for two holes found outside the kennels, one in a quail pen that was sitting on a table on an exterior wall and another on a dog house sitting on the ground nearby. He testified that he believes both markings came from bullets fired at Maggie with a .300 Blackout AR-style rifle when she was killed outside the kennels, shortly after Paul was killed inside the dog feed room.
Based on the trajectories, as well as the location of Maggie’s body and the shell casings found nearby, Sutton concluded a gunman firing from the hip would have been between 5-foot-2 and 5-foot-4, a full foot shorter than 6-foot-4 Murdaugh.
“It puts the shooter, … if they were that tall, puts them in an unrealistic shooting position,” Sutton said. “It’s not an aiming position, it’s not a shooting position. It would be something other than a shooting position where you’re on your feet.”
Sutton’s analysis shows that even a shorter gunman would have had to shoot while holding a rifle beside their hip while firing toward the kennel wall. Only that height would line up with shooting close to where Maggie’s body was found and where shell casings suggest the gun was fired, Sutton said.
Sutton said he measured Murdaugh for his analysis and determined Murdaugh’s shooting hand, based on that positioning, would have to be at or below his knee cap.
“It’s unlikely a tall person made that shot,” he said.
The path of shotgun pellets from the weapon used to kill Paul were consistent with a shooter also firing from the hip, Sutton said, but taller than the earlier measurements. Defense attorney #### Harpootlian suggested the measurements were more consistent with someone around 5-foot-10.
Sutton worked out the position of Paul’s shooter in the feed room by drawing a line through a bullet hole in a window to where a pellet struck a tree behind it.
“Or (someone) moving the gun up or down (to fire),” Sutton said. “Again, there’s a variable here, of course.”
On cross-examination, state prosecutor David Fernandez questioned if Sutton could know the pellet he found in the tree was connected to Paul’s shooting. Sutton said it was a safe assumption because investigators from the S.C. Law Enforcement Division recovered the other eight pellets fired from the shotgun used in the killing.
Fernandez also repeatedly questioned Sutton about his lack of certification or formal training in firearms or crime scene expertise, prompting repeated replies by an unruffled Sutton that his broad experience in various types of incident and violent crime reconstruction made him well qualified.
Earlier Tuesday, after listening to his mechanical engineering qualifications, Judge Clifton Newman qualified Sutton as an expert witness in three fields, including acoustic analysis, shooting incident reconstruction and vehicle accident reconstruction. Fernandez had no objection to Newman’s qualifying Sutton as an expert witness.
Sutton, who was on the witness stand four hours Tuesday, said he was retained by the defense in mid-September to work on Murdaugh’s defense and was paid $350 an hour for his approximately 40-50 hours of work. He said he had not previously worked with Murdaugh’s former law firm, although he was retained by Murdaugh to do an accident reconstruction on a fatal 2019 boat crash involving Paul that killed Mallory Beach.
Expertise questioned Sutton testified that he also conducted tests at the house to see if guns fired at the kennels would have been audible from inside the house.
He played audio recorded inside Murdaugh’s house as an AR-style rifle was being fired at the kennels, with almost no sound audible.
“You would not be able to hear it,” he said.
Fernandez questioned if Sutton, who said he primarily works on car accidents, was qualified to offer an opinion on the gunshots. Sutton acknowledged he was not an expert on firearms or pathology, but had previously conducted studies of bullet trajectories for his work.
The prosecutor asked if the bullets that made the holes he measured could have ricocheted off of something else. Sutton said he did not see any evidence from the crime scene investigation that those bullets had ricocheted off something else. Fernandez asked if he considered a taller shooter could have shot from a kneeling position, while dismissing the idea of a shooter at the height Sutton suggests as “a 12-year-old.” But Sutton said that was the only explanation consistent with the trajectory.
“He still can’t make the quail shot, for example. The muzzle would be above where the hole is,” Sutton said. “The more you back him up, the more it becomes improbable.”
Fernandez questioned if the guns and ammunition fired in Sutton’s test matched those believed to be responsible for the murders of Paul and Maggie. He also questioned if the trees in between the house and the kennels had grown or if the foliage had changed between June 2021 and January 2023, when Sutton conducted his test.
“The wind, the humidity, the trees, you factor all those in, it doesn’t make a difference because the gunshot in the house was so faint you’re just not going to hear it,” Sutton said.
Fernandez also called into question Sutton’s assertion that Murdaugh’s car was speeding up as it left Moselle and did not slow down at a spot in the road where Maggie’s cellphone was found in a grassy area a day on June 8, 2021, a day after the killings. Prosecutors have contended that geolocation data showed Murdaugh slowed down when passing that spot.
During Tuesday’s questioning by Fernandez, South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson, who has been sitting at the prosecution table nearly every day of the trial could be seen at one point offering suggestions to Fernandez. Asked after court what he told Fernandez, Wilson smiled politely and told a reporter that he would answer that question after the trial was over.
Sutton was one of the defense’s two witnesses on the first full day of defense testimony, along with Murdaugh’s surviving son, Buster, who testified Tuesday morning. Buster and Sutton were the defense’s third and fourth witnesses, respectively, after they called the Colleton County coroner and the Colleton County Sheriff’s Office spokesperson last week.
Before prosecutors rested their case Friday, they called 61 witnesses over 18 days in an attempt to establish through other evidence that Murdaugh is responsible for killing his wife and son.
Although in four weeks prosecutors have presented a small mountain of circumstantial evidence, such as timelines and geolocations of Murdaugh’s movements June 7, 2021, they have not presented any direct evidence, such as a weapon with DNA.
Both weapons purportedly used in the killings have not been located by law enforcement.
Murdaugh’s attorney Harpootlian told Newman Tuesday the defense team will likely rest Friday, meaning prosecutors could put up any reply witnesses by early next week, to be followed by closing arguments and the judge’s charge to the jury.
Twelve jurors will decide Murdaugh’s fate. On Tuesday, the number of jurors and alternates shrunk to 14, when one juror called in sick. Newman originally had 12 jurors and six alternates. But after two jurors tested positive for COVID-19, the number of alternates is now two.
Island Packet reporter Blake Douglas contributed to this report.
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Tiger Spirit [9341]
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Feb 22, 2023, 7:29 AM
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Quoting my wife……”He shot them while sitting in the side by side thus explaining the height and why one phone tracked steps and one didn’t.” I don’t really know, but she seemed pretty adamant about it and we all know that wives, especially mothers have received intensive training from the FBI. They always figure out who ate the last cookie.
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National Champion [7964]
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Re: Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
Feb 22, 2023, 1:14 PM
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What is a "side by side"?
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Re: Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
Feb 22, 2023, 1:23 PM
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Its a small vehicle about the size of a golf cart with a gas engine.
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Re: Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
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Feb 22, 2023, 7:49 AM
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maybe he was kneeling. Anyone can make it look like someone else shot them.
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Or maybe the defense is trying to blame the cartel...
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Feb 22, 2023, 7:59 AM
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That was never even involved in these murders because they believe some jurors would love to blame the border crisis.
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Re: Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
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Feb 22, 2023, 8:04 AM
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Before Alex was arrested, my theory was Paul killed his mother. Alex killed Paul once he found out. Idk why Paul would kill his mom, but we know he wasn’t the best of person, and his mom was divorcing his dad. Then the murder weapons being different. AR15 would be a weapon I feel a younger person would use, and a shotgun is a weapon a older person would use. Felt like it was a solid theory. It’s looking more and more like Alex killed both though.
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Re: Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
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Feb 22, 2023, 12:04 PM
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I have waffled back and forth on this for awhile. I'm still not entirely sure that Alex killed them, but I am absolutely convinced that he was there when it happened and likely hired someone to do it. The circumstantial evidence is too strong and the video that Paul took clearly shows that he was there minutes before they were killed.
I think the biggest issue for the prosecution is convincing 12 people that he had the motive to kill his wife and son. You can lay out all of the evidence you want but, to sane people, there is a big mental hurdle to get past the "Why?" part of it.
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Re: Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
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Feb 22, 2023, 8:20 AM
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This guy is a paid gun for the defense. Makes his living testifying for defendants. As others have said could have been kneeling or on side by side or standing on his head. Prosecutors will shoot this down
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Re: Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
Feb 22, 2023, 3:42 PM
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Or for a man his size, lying prone, gun up to his shoulder, opposite support arm elbow touching the ground as support, puts the shooter at exactly the height of what the expert said would be....
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Re: Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
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Feb 22, 2023, 8:01 AM
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The “expert”, like so many hired by Democrat defense attorneys, is full of bovine scatology. Murdaugh murdered.
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Harpootlian is a Republican senator.***
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Feb 22, 2023, 10:32 AM
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He is a democrat representing Richland County.***
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Feb 22, 2023, 10:41 AM
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Paw Warrior [4953]
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Re: Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
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Feb 22, 2023, 8:03 AM
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The low angle just proves that my hunch is correct. Bubba, “that rambunctious, egg sucking dog” did it.
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Re: Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
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Feb 22, 2023, 8:09 AM
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Dang Bubba, what was he thinking?
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If the angle don’t fit, you must acquit***
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Feb 22, 2023, 8:04 AM
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LOL, I was gonna say, "If the Shadow don't fit, you must
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Feb 22, 2023, 8:12 AM
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acquit."
This sleaze is probably going to get off, just like OJ did. But, just like OJ, he will be convicted forever in the court of public opinion. Not that he cares about that. If it happens, hopefully his wife's family comes at him with a civil wrongful death lawsuit and wins, just like in the OJ case.
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At the end of the day...
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Feb 22, 2023, 8:20 AM
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the outcome of the murder trial is largely irrelevant. Based on all of the other criminal charges against him, for which there are mountains of evidence to support a conviction, he'll still be spending the remainder of his life behind bars.
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For many years, the Guvmint tried unsuccessfully to get
Feb 22, 2023, 9:47 AM
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charges to stick to notorious gangster Al Capone. What did they finally get him on? Tax Evasion.
Moral of the Story: You can kill whoever you like and get away with it, but do NOT mess with the IRS!
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Re: At the end of the day...
Feb 22, 2023, 10:17 AM
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Right where he should be, but on death row where many other murders are that just killed/took one human life. IMO, a person that can kill his wife and his son, nobody is safe from his murderous intentions. The man is a cold calculated premeditated killer that will murder anyone that cramps his lifestyle.
I personally wish that #### Harpootlian was the prosecutor, and not the defender for Alex Murdaugh bc, Dr Death usually got what killers like Alex Murdaugh deserves, a death sentence, a date with the person wearing the dark hood with a sharp sword in his hand, that is the only punishment that would be justice for the wife and son, and society!!!
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From a practical standpoint...
Feb 22, 2023, 11:25 AM
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the state of SC has not carried out an execution since 2011 and has unsuccessfully attempted to restart executions three times since 2020. There are currently about 35 inmates are on death row in SC and 4 of the condemned are out of appeals. A couple of years ago, the State Legislature passed a law creating a firing squad and giving inmates a choice between dying by bullets to the heart or in the state's electric chair (because the state can't agree on the lethal injection drugs). However, there are several pending court challenges to the constitutionality of the state’s two death penalty methods which aren't likely to be resolved anytime in the near term. On that basis, a death sentence is SC effectively becomes a life sentence by default.
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And that is what is wrong with the "justice" system today.
Feb 22, 2023, 11:35 AM
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For my vote, refurbish Old Sparkey and start lighting up these death row inmates again. My Dad always had the best comeback for anyone who said capital punishment was not a true deterrent to crime.
"It'll deter the Heyall out of the one you execute!"
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We also need to find a way to expedite the appeals process***
Feb 22, 2023, 11:55 AM
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Re: At the end of the day...
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Death penalty aside...i believe it'll matter on where he does his time. Does he get some white collar work camp or does he get tossed into solitary with the rest of the murderers.
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for a fee, there exists an "expert" that will tell a
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Feb 22, 2023, 9:44 AM
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favorable story for anyone
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Re: for a fee, there exists an "expert" that will tell a
Feb 22, 2023, 11:46 AM
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Re: Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
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Feb 22, 2023, 12:01 PM
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Where is Columbo when we need him?
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Re: Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
Feb 22, 2023, 12:40 PM
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Or, Hercule Poirot, or Jessica Fletcher.
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Re: Defense says Murdaugh is too tall to have done it
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Feb 22, 2023, 12:15 PM
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Ok. Not guilty. Get it over with. Everyone with a functioning brain cell knows he is guilty. (IMO, of course)
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So he was sitting in his Polaris when he shot her, they've
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Feb 22, 2023, 4:45 PM
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already placed him at the scene, he was there, if he didn't do it, he certainly knows who did and he deserves to go to prison for the rest of his life because of it
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Re: So he was sitting in his Polaris when he shot her, they've
Feb 22, 2023, 4:55 PM
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I've watched a lot of the trial. Alex reported;y stole over $8,500,000 USD.from clients. Where is that money??? I don't think he personally pilled the triggers, but he knows who dis and WHY...
Also, don;t think he will get 12 guilty from the jury. But, will spends his life in prison for other crimes.
WT
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he is a professional liar
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Feb 23, 2023, 1:21 PM
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he's been telling lies to people in every walk of life for many years
and one of the first things he said on the witness stand was admit he had told a series of lies to a bunch of different people
so now we (and the jury) are supposed to believe him?
i'm convinced he did it...
but all it takes is one on the jury to disagree
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