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Can Cade be fixed?
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I think that most on here would agree that Cade has the physical tools to be a good QB.
I think that's where we all start to disagree. Some think that Cade is already a fine quarterback who will only get better, and others think he will eventually be a good QB. Still others think it's all the fault of the WRs and OL.
There are a few (me included) that seriously wonder if he'll ever be the kind of QB to make us elite again.
The question is - can Cade be fixed by our coaching staff? Will he be better next year?
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Jan 1, 2024, 4:27 PM
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Can you be fixed?
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Legend [18798]
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Not sure what you mean by that. I don't play QB.***
Jan 1, 2024, 4:28 PM
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Re: Not sure what you mean by that. I don't play QB.***
Jan 1, 2024, 4:32 PM
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Probably means neutered. Intimidated by tu huevos.
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Legend [18798]
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LOL. I am not sure about that.
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Jan 1, 2024, 4:35 PM
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I just wish people who bother to post could have something intelligent to add, not 3rd grade maturity level responses like that poster, whoever he/she/they is.
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Re: LOL. I am not sure about that.
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Jan 1, 2024, 4:51 PM
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I think your post was at least 4th grade. Don’t sell yourself short.
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Nice pulse.
Jan 1, 2024, 4:56 PM
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People like you need to give up. Besides the fact that your quip wasn't at all clever, it doesn't stop you from trying, even after seeing the results of your other failed attempts. Poor thing.
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Irony ?
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LOL
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Re: LOL. I am not sure about that.
Jan 3, 2024, 2:14 PM
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one of the most ignorant posts among the many, many ignorant posts on this site and you want people to make "intelligent posts"...
If it starts with "I think..." and it pertains to Clemson football it is by definition ignorant...
Maybe understand your place... you are a fan... that is it... you really don't know anything at all aside from what you watch... you don't even know what you are watching... that would require some knowledge of the playbook, the personnel, the coaches...
You could comment on effort...
You could comment on dropped passes... we had a ton of those early...
You could comment on fumbles... we had a ton of those early too...
There are some plays where you can scratch your head... we had several of those plays this year... Dabo has generally cleared those up in the post-game...
If anyone watched the Dabo post signing-day presser, he went position by position and the portal and the program philosophy, yet daily someone yaps about the portal... as we see portal heavy teams melt down, people still insist ...
Look forward to your 4th grade or higher posts in 2024...
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Re: Not sure what you mean by that. I don't play QB.***
Jan 1, 2024, 7:02 PM
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You don’t agree everything is 100% ok and are asking questions. That’s frowned upon in these parts for some unknown reason.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Cade will never be Watson or Lawrence and I do not think he will get us to the playoffs. I think what can happen as he can be a better quarterback, with better offensive lineman, and better wide receivers. But I don’t think at this point he is elite, or we would’ve seen at least a glimmer of it.
The other unfortunate thing is, we don’t have anyone to push cade, or who might be able to take over if he isn’t successful. Which is equally terrifying, and means that we have not had a top level quarterback on the team for far too many years now.
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I completely agree.
Jan 1, 2024, 4:30 PM
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In the bowl game, I didn't like when he chucked the ball straight in the air to avoid a sack.
It's like he didn't learn a thing from the pick six earlier in the year on a similar play.
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Re: I completely agree.
Jan 1, 2024, 6:04 PM
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To be fair, CK2 has cut back on the frequency of terrible in-game decisions throughout the year.
This observation is not meant to suggest that he has matured to the point where such panic attacks / delusions of heroism are a relic of his past. He’s got to continue getting better in this area.
Pocket presence improvement? This is CK2’s finest area of improvement. This is a mentally challenging thing, and I’m thrilled at his development in this area.
Smarter when running the ball? Also a lot of improvement from his catastrophically bad ‘run the ball / don’t fumble the ball’ activities from the first 1/3 of the season.
I am confident that the coaches will ‘coach him hard’ and that CK2 will ‘take to heart’ that coaching to get rid of those catastrophically bad plays when CK2 would heave up a fuzzy duck and hope for some good luck.
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Unless changes are made to control NIL, I think our days of getting the top, or
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even NEAR the top QB in any given class are over. We just aren't going to get into bidding wars for a kids services, nor should we. It has been proven, over and over again, that Nattys can be won with just serviceable QB play. You just have to build the REST of the team so that your guy can be a game manager.
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Re: Unless changes are made to control NIL, I think our days of getting the top, or
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Correct. I think the years of competing for a trophy each season will not return until the NIL stuff is fixed. At this juncture, it feels like we will be in the convo but might not actually be a championship caliber team every year as in the past. Too many big players chasing money.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Vizzina was a 4 or 5 star.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
Jan 1, 2024, 6:08 PM
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What did you write to merit a Thumbs Down?
From what I’ve read, Vizzina is a top shelf talent and a fine guy.
Did I miss something, such as Vizzina stealing Jamie’s Winston’s crab legs, or stealing Cam Newton’s previously stolen laptop?
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Haven’t seen a glimmer of greatness? Did you not watch the game winning drive Friday? That was definitely a glimmer of greatness.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
Jan 3, 2024, 2:01 PM
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What planet are you on?????
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Not being a college QB coach I am definitely not worthy of saying yea or nay, but wish the best for the young man and at the end of the day time will tell.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
Jan 1, 2024, 4:33 PM
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Yea but all these guys on here are coaching geniuses from playing Madden football
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Of course! We all do, I would hope.
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If he doesn't improve much, I'd like to see what CV can do. If only for anything else, to address the QB room.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed? I think he is a good, serviceable QB who can win games
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for us. We have been spoiled by DW and TL. He looked improved against KY, I think he end up being a good QB for us, but not elite.
I would love to eat some more crow and him being elite.
At least we don't have FSU's newest QB. LOL
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Cade flashed but according to a lot of posters on here, misses open WRs.
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I wish I would have been able to attend more games to see to himself. But I agree with you: Cade can be good, but I don't think he will ever be elite. I hope to be wrong, of course. It will be interesting to see what Riley can do with one more offseason and lots of video.
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How is Sourh America today?***
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I am in South Carolina for the holidays but thanks for asking!***
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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I think the honest answer to your question is we don't know. I consider myself to be a "pumper" in the sense that I remain positive the current coaching staff can right the ship but does that mean I don't believe we have significant issues we need to work out in the off-season? Absolutely not and cade is one of those things
The only thing that worries me about Cade is it seems the things that are holding him back aren't mechanics (other than bouncing in the pocket) they seem to be awareness issues . Maybe he takes a lot of time this off-season to build trust with the receiver corps so he isn't so afraid to let it fly and he studies a lot of defensive film to able to make reads faster. But again, I don't know but I am keeping the faith he grows a lot kind of like Bo Nix did
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Fixed to whose satisfaction ?
Jan 1, 2024, 4:35 PM
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……………
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With the game on the line, he was 9 for 9 for 83 yards and 8 points.
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Not sure how much better than that you can be. Maybe a TD pass instead of a run from Mafah.
QB is the hardest position on the field and the most developmental. I think he and our offense take a huge step forward next year with a second year in Riley's system, basically the entire offensive line returning and healthy again, tons of new and healthy receiving options at WR and TE along with some more speed options in the backfield.
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Re: With the game on the line, he was 9 for 9 for 83 yards and 8 points.
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I dont think he needs to be “fixed”, rather he needs to continue to develop…. It still looks as if the game is very fast for him, and he can’t decide quick enough at times. With experience, the game will slow, so I am really looking for a big step up this year after having a year under the belt and two off seasons to develop.
He seems to have the drive, work ethic and talent, at this point I strongly feel coaching will either make him or prevent him from being the guy….. can the coaches develop this raw talent of his into a consistent growing contributor at QB? We will see……. My money is on him though…
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Com'on man. You can pick one drive and base an evaluation off of that....
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We have seen him all season. He flashes but misses open WRs (according to many on here going to the games).
The hope is that Riley has a whole year of video and offseason to help him address his weaknesses.
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Re: Com'on man. You can pick one drive and base an evaluation off of that....
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Some of that "missing open receivers" stuff is people not realizing the "open" receivers were open because the ball was already going to another area and the defensive backs were reacting accordingly.
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Talk to....
Jan 1, 2024, 4:49 PM
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@hHitsLikeRendrickTaylor®
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Im exhausted explaining this at this point
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If someone can’t watch the games and see what we all see, there is no convincing them at this point after the sample size we have. You would have to literally believe that all routes that are beyond 15 yards, and they are every play, are dummy routes and not real options… that’s 100% not a thing…. I’m done.
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That wasn't all of my post. You have a position and you're locked into it.
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I provided an observation of his improvement the last time we saw him. You don't like it, so you disregard it. I provided valid reasons for our struggles this year and why I think there will be a big step forward next year and you disregarded them.
Oh well. Have fun with your misery.
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Drama is for your momma...
Jan 1, 2024, 4:50 PM
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Seriously though, chill out, man. Just having a discussion here; don't take it so personally.
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No need to get hysterical because people disagree with your emotionally
Jan 1, 2024, 4:52 PM
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held position.
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Re: No need to get hysterical because people disagree with your emotionally
Jan 1, 2024, 4:53 PM
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Just talking, man. Nothing in the tone of my post suggests anything you're saying. You need to relax.
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It's OK if you think Cade will never be a good QB. Just don't get upset when
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you can't convince everyone that you're right.
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Let me just say one thing.
Jan 1, 2024, 5:02 PM
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Just because I wonder if he will ever be good doesn't mean that I hope he doesn't become great.
I am just a novice Clemson fan/grad making some observations. I will be the first to say that I am not an expert!!
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Even this post from you is dripping with derision for Cade.
Jan 1, 2024, 5:07 PM
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Which, we can assume, is your intent.
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That take has got be a bit nonplussed.***
Jan 1, 2024, 5:10 PM
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See what I mean.
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Jan 1, 2024, 5:12 PM
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Keep proving my point.
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Re: Com'on man. You can pick one drive and base an evaluation off of that....
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I've not seen many open WRs for Cade to throw to..... maybe a few when Cade had no time and was trying to stay vertical.
I like Cade and think he is elite. If the OL or scheme can buy him time, and he be given two handed, healthy, reliable WRs, watch him shine.
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Re: With the game on the line, he was 9 for 9 for 83 yards and 8 points.
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Chase Brice did something similar. Unless Cade improves a great deal, Chase will be a much better comparison for Cade than an elite QB. I believe he can improve. Coaches say he's a hard working kid.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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It is a combination of both. He has to get better but those around him also have to get better. A lot of Cade's issues are poor technique, with a lot of it being around footwork. IMHO he tends to float his deep balls rather than stepping into his throws. He has a bad habit of leaning back and throwing off the back foot. He has happy feet in the pocket and tends to bail a little early. When he rolls out to one side or the other, he loses visibility of half the field. He tends to focus too much on his primary target and takes too long to get through his progressions. He also holds the ball longer than he should.
However, if the OL doesn't give him a little more time, this leads to some of those bad habits. The OL has to be better at pass protection. They have to give him a solid pocket and enough time to get through his progressions. If he is constantly in scramble mode then the OL is not doing its job.
I feel like our coaches are going to work really hard to get a lot of this fixed. They now have an entire season of film on all of these guys, so figuring out what they need to do will not be a problem.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Cade does not need to be elite. He needs to learn to make better reads. Yes, he can be fixed. First of all, the coaches need to call tempo like they were supposed to this year. Second, the o line needs to improve with Coach Luke. Third, we need a freshman to come in and learn to take the top off of the defense.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Can the O Line be fixed? That’s the question you should have asked
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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I dont think he is broken. He is developing and growing. He will be fine. He will leave as a solid QB. He wont be Deshaun Watson. He won't be Trevor. He will just be good...not great. He will be fine.
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Cade's biggest problem Friday was the OLine
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He had no time to do anything
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What about throwing the ball straight in the air to avoid a sack?
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Same mistake that caused a pick-six earlier in the year. How about missing streaking WRs down the field or holding on to the ball too long? I agree the OL needs to get better, but so does Cade (just my opinion).
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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I think Cade could develop some from where he is now but don’t see him becoming anything more than average - if he can rise to that level. I don’t think he has the starting football IQ that it takes to become very good and in my opinion, I haven’t seen much of any growth in that area and think he’s limited in that capacity.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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I think his biggest issue is not seeing the field
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Been hearing that a lot here.***
Jan 1, 2024, 4:46 PM
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Jan 1, 2024, 4:44 PM
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You can't expect to keep having Deshaun Watson/Trevor Lawrence every year. It's simply not going to happen.
Maybe if the receivers get better, Klubnik can be Tajh Boyd level.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Cade is no Deshaun or Trevor and everyone needs to accept that we may never have a QB like those guys. Cade is plenty talented enough but he cannot win by himself. If we get better running backs, receivers, tight ends and linemen, of course Cade will be better. No rocket science needed to understand the situation.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Jan 1, 2024, 4:48 PM
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Riley working with Cade until next Sept. will pay great dividends in my opinion. Streeter failed both DJ and Cade in their recruitment development. That is why he is gone. Cade spoke highly of Riley. I believe they have formed a good relationship that I don’t think existed with Streeter.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
Jan 1, 2024, 6:16 PM
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Fingers crossed.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
Jan 1, 2024, 4:49 PM
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I didn't know he was broken. I definitely believe another year with Garrett Riley will help, and having more available healthy WRs.
Without Cole & Antonio, and Beaux for a few games, and with a one armed WR (Randall) didn't help. Even Tom Brady prefers healthy WRs.
We should have healthy WRs next year, include some elite freshmen.
I expect a better support staff around Cade next year will help. And FIX whatever problems you are talking about.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Jan 1, 2024, 4:50 PM
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He may not be, but he looks way too frail. He goes down too easily and his running form is awkward. I know he was fast on the track but he doesn't look exceptionally fast on the field. I hope this year he works on his body.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Bingo - this is where my head goes when I watch him play. His body is not tuned-in w/ his mind. Maybe tuned-in is the wrong term. But, when I watch him run, it looks really awkward and indecisive - the kind of movements that lead to turnovers and/or (worse) injuries. Something is just off and not easy to put a finger on. Like I explain to my daughter, "you're still baking so don't put so much pressure on yourself to know everything or to make the right decision every time..." But, in the case of Cade - he is constantly being tasked/trained/expected to excel with all of that. Kids that age are all different, developmentally (nothing new to anyone reading this). All this in mind, I think he could get there (?) - just a matter of when his ceiling presents and how high it is. Just don't want him bootleg-flailing into a head injury or season-ending ACL tear.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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You should post more. My thoughts exactly.
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Good call, Stubborn...
Jan 1, 2024, 7:48 PM
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It almost sounded like you weren't a Lunge-turd there for a second.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Jan 1, 2024, 4:58 PM
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Cade reminds me of Bo Nix when he started at Auburn had some flashes of being good just not very consistent. Look at Nix now he has improved a ton just took awhile. I think he will improve and get better.
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Good point!
Jan 1, 2024, 5:03 PM
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But he needed new scenery.
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Re: Good point!
Jan 1, 2024, 5:57 PM
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Bo Nix is also now 30 years old. LMAO
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Jan 1, 2024, 4:59 PM
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I am so sick of all the negative post always questions our players and coaches. If they lose it’s horrible if they win it’s not enough! I am sick of it!
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Then don't be a part of a sports message board.
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Jan 1, 2024, 5:06 PM
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Because you're going to hear some questioning of players abilities and coaching decisions (warranted or not).
You want this to be like North Korea, where we erect statues and worship them?
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Re: Then don't be a part of a sports message board.
Jan 1, 2024, 5:47 PM
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No not at all but Clemson Football under Dabo has been unbelievable by any standard . This team this year did not give up when griping complaining people like you , no not like you , when you gave up and did nothing but point out faults and never noticed the good!
Good grief just enjoy a game once in a while.
Happy New Year!
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Re: Then don't be a part of a sports message board.
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Jan 1, 2024, 8:48 AM
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I think he voted North Korea. This man wants no part of any discussion and debate.
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Re: Then don't be a part of a sports message board.
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I want people to have reasonable positions to backup their points. "Bench this guy," or "fire that coach" isn't a reasonable point.
Also, consistency. People last year were pissed that Streeter didn't stick with the run vs. South Carolina. This year, people were pissed that Dabo made Riley run it against South Carolina.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Easy to solve...you know what to do. Close the door behind you.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Jan 1, 2024, 5:09 PM
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Cade will improve next year, but I don’t see him becoming elite like Trevor or Watson.
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He can and probably will improve but #### never
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Jan 1, 2024, 5:15 PM
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be on Watson or TL’s level but most qbs can’t be on that level.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
Jan 1, 2024, 5:20 PM
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I think Cades problem is mental. He lacks pocket awareness and decisions making. He tends to force things way to much. I believe he can and will be serviceable for us but not elite. Dabo should have tried to get Riley Skinner from the portal no matter the cost of nil.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
Jan 1, 2024, 5:36 PM
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Ck2 improved tremendously between end of 2022 / beginning of 2023 and the end of 2023 in those mental aspects which you had cited. Also, our coaching staff got smarter and cut back on ‘big plays’ which, for various reason, our offense was not capable of executing; in so doing, our offensive game plan became aligned with the skills that CK2 brings to the table.
I am confident that CK2’s decision making and recognition of defenses will continue to improve at the rate during 2023 season throughout the 2024 season.
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8 for 8 - 71 yards - winning TD drive for the Gator Bowl win.
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Jan 1, 2024, 5:24 PM
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Give it a rest, man. He just blew DJ's stats away during his first starting year and trajectory and is poised for more. And that was after getting chased around and counted out continuously throughout the game Friday.
Have a nip and get a grip.
Go Tigers!
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You dont see many QBs make the jumps in the areas he struggles with
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And to add to that, you can usually “tell” if a QB is going to be great by the end of their first season, heck after a few games. Drew Allan from Penn State comes to mind as well, hypes up super “talented” but just is missing the most important parts of the game to be a high level QB. I don’t think so but would l love to be proved wrong.
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Re: You dont see many QBs make the jumps in the areas he struggles with
Jan 1, 2024, 5:38 PM
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Joe Burrow was nothing obviously special in his first two years at OH State.
Drake Maye RS’d his true FR year and watched Sam Howell play QB at UNC.
This list can go on and on and on and on.
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I knew Burrow might get brought up
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But who knows what he was then or if he had played as a freshman how quickly he would develop. He didn’t ever play a down at OSU sitting behind two NFL QBs. His first college experience came at LSU and he was good not great in the first year.
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We are going to find out. The real question is will our QB play be good enough
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to get us back into the playoff, regardless of who our QB is. We're gonna find that out too.
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Re: We are going to find out. The real question is will or QB play be good enough
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Check and check on how those questions get answered.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Jan 1, 2024, 5:28 PM
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He can, and here is one thing that will help him along. He has to show the offensive staff that he has no targets or they can show him what his targets are that he is missing and how to see them. Step one, tell him he absolutely has to throw the ball within 3 seconds, either to an open receiver or throw it away. Get these plays on film. At that point, the coordinators can say “See, you guys are not creating separation or you guys are fully committing to routes etc” or they can say “Cade, you are missing guys who are open, you need to watch X, Y, and Z spaces etc.”. Currently he is not helping himself or anyone else on the offensive side by having a do-or-die scramble from 1st and 10 on through every other play. We can stay in a game that only has a couple field goals into the 3rd but we can’t stand forcing the ball into places and throwing picks. Part of it is his game experience leading up to this year. He kept getting popped into games late in the 4th where DJU had stunk the place up and the weight of the whole season was on his shoulders.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
Jan 1, 2024, 5:50 PM
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With G.Riley bearing the responsibility for coaching QBs, we shall see during 2024 season if G.Riley is up to snuff, or if CK2 is able to get there.
I get it (not necessarily happily, but I get it) that Dabo was willing to semi-sacrifice the 2023 season by playing CK2 instead of Hunter Helms (who has a manifestly better arm than CK2) that Dabo was willing to gamble on CK2 this past season (for both his development -&- to discourage CK2 from transferring) instead of playing Helms (who also possesses pretty good running ability).
For 2024 season, we will have a R-FR QB in Vizzina, with a full season of coaching under his belt, to compete for the QB job if CK2 hasn’t made the needed improvement.
This is not to suggest that we are going to quickly relegate CK2 to the bench, but rather that we may indeed have two options at QB who are more than a one year fix (see DJU making the move o Tallahassee).
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CK2 can develop into a v.good college QB.
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Jan 1, 2024, 5:29 PM
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CK2 can indeed become a very good college QB. If he can continue making the rapid progress of this year, in which he evolved from, let’s be honest here, not good to the end of the season smart and poised QB, then he will indeed be a very good college QB by early next season.
Elite? That is not in the cards, and that expectation has nothing to do with CK2’s attitude, work ethic, leadership, or intelligence. Clemson ‘rung the bell’ in getting a QB with each of these critical characteristics.
CK2 simply has arm quality limitations that no amount of coaching or physical training can overcome. The Good Lord made him that way.
Ck2 simply does not possess a strong arm. He just doesn’t, but that’s OK.
CK2 is not blessed with an especially accurate arm. This limitation reveals itself to some extent on the short pass patterns which have become the mainstay of G.Riley’s offense. However, the accuracy limitation is glaringly apparent when CK2 attempts deep out or other passes in which 40+ yards of linear pass distance (I.e., the point from release of the ball travels in a straight line to it’s destination). CK2 can get the ball to go 40 yards easily enough, but he has to ‘muscle up’ in order to get it there; accuracy suffers as a consequence.
Think of a golfer who overseings on his driver or long iron, or a baseball pitcher who over exerts himself when throwing a pitch. Sometimes the accuracy takes place for the golf shot or the pitch, but in general those activities do not correlate with consistent accuracy.
To be sure, CK2 is not without track record for making very accurate throws of longer-than-intermediate type; recall the first TD throw to Briningstool in the Miami game, which was a thing of beauty. Being realistic, though, such throws were a rarity.
In summary (again, IMO), CK2 can win a lot of games for us in 2024 if the surrounding cast plays up to expectations (I.e., OL, TE’s, and RB’s block well throughout the season; RB’s stop fumbling and keep up with their excellence in catching passes; WR’s remain healthy + have the natural year-to-year mprovement … including blocking opposing DB’s on our plays when the pass is thrown parallel to the LOS). In this situation, CK2 can mesh his entire skill set with our offensive unit to lead us to many wins. However, we cannot expect CK2 to heroically win games either by runn8ng or ‘gun slinging.’ Which is perfectly OK. We should be happy with this outcome if it happens.
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Based on what I've seen of CK so far, I have no reason to project with any
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confidence that he will ever be on the level with DW or TL. He could be, and I hope like heck he is, but I'm not counting on it. If not, however, we can't start screaming for the next guy in line, because "it can't be any worse", or "what do we have to lose", or "just to see what happens", as Cade may be the best we've got. I have zero real inside knowledge of just how Vizzina is progressing, but I have a feeling he will push Cade to some degree, and will get some PT next year,
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Re: Based on what I've seen of CK so far, I have no reason to project with any
Jan 2, 2024, 10:44 PM
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The bottom line is, people are going to have to accept the reality that Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence were the exception, and not the norm.
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Maybe.He will get help next year with an improved
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WR corps and OL. That, along with the education from this year will be a big boost.
QBs (nfl guys) pretty much need only two things…a quick release and accuracy. Of course they have to be smart. I didn’t really see either of these must- have attributes this year.
BUT….decision making, comfort in the pocket, and running will improve next year.
By his year three he will be above average which I see as a ceiling.
Seems like a big chasm between his on-field maturity now and a confident, strong armed leader that we need him to be. Definitely will take another year’s education.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
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Best improvement he can make is to double his leg strength and break a few tackles. He goes down way too easy and not a good run option on 3rd and short
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
Jan 1, 2024, 5:54 PM
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Along with your suggestion, he and the coaching staff have got to recognize that CK2 will never be a true ‘primary option run threat’ QB.
Dabo + G.Riley and CK2 have got to recognize this obvious fact and adjust their play calls / decisions when to run, respectively.
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Cade was a bit back and forth this season but overall he got better.
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I can live with some of his mistakes but not checking down was a plague spread by Cade's predecessor. Cade had some good moments of not starring at his primary receiver this season after the first few games. He got better at it late season, it appeared, which makes me say he improved.
I'm hoping this offseason he masters the playbook and is able to look over all his receivers before he goes to his primary. It would be nice to see him throw to his 1st or 2nd checkdown man.
Our coaching staff got some really good film from the Kentucky game which they can use to torture Cade and everyone else on our team with. I hope this is the summer of #### for all our players.
Cade is never going to be a TL or even a DW and his body isn't made to mimic even Tajh but he can win a lot of games, imo.
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
Jan 1, 2024, 7:24 PM
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Did you see that screen pass by Milroe? Cade has never thrown a crappy pass like that? Is Bama trying to fix Milroe?
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
Jan 1, 2024, 7:27 PM
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If by fixed you mean can he turn into TL, then it’s a laughing #### no. He can be coached into becoming a decent qb though. The kid has potential. He just doesn’t have that it factor that will make him a great
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Re: Can Cade be fixed?
Jan 3, 2024, 1:58 PM
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He's not broke.
Did you watch the last drive of the Gator Bowl? That was as good as it get's in college...
Can he get better? Yep.
Does he do some head-scratching stuff at times? Yep.
Trust the people who see him and work with him every day... they know him.
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