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TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Feb 15, 2024, 8:21 AM
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I hope they can reach a justifiable resolution to this situation.
Seems like a good SC student and team player. He put himself in a bad situation.
Depends on the circumstance and the judge.
If it is justified, I hope he gets probation and a couple hundred hours of community service in Pickens County.
If drugs or violence are involved, throw the book 📚 at him.
On game day, how many fans have a gun locked in their vehicle on campus for the late night drive home?
What a downer after that great finish against Miami last night.
Go Tigers
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You bring a gun to campus on game days?
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Feb 15, 2024, 8:28 AM
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You’re a psycho.
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Well, he is a Texan, apparently
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Feb 15, 2024, 8:29 AM
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YIPEE KAY EE
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Re: Well, he is a Texan, apparently
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Feb 15, 2024, 8:50 AM
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Just an Eagle Scout with a couple of Clemson Degrees, and a Concealed Carry License.
Scout motto: ‘Be Prepared’.
Psycho IPTAY supporter.
Just having a gun doesn’t make someone a criminal.
Committing crimes makes someone a criminal.
If the gun was in his trunk, unloaded, it doesn’t sound criminal.
Sounds like a violation of the law.
Probation and community service would be appropriate for a good student.
I hope it works out for him.
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Well technical if the law says you can't have a firearm somewhere and you do
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Feb 15, 2024, 9:30 AM
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Then by definition you're a criminal. However, not all crimes are the same and it doesn't make him a bad person. I understand only wanting law enforcement to be able to carry a firearm on school grounds, but if someone is looking to hurt people I don't this law is gonna deter them.
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We Ned more good guys with guns not lessno guns law is stupid***
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Feb 15, 2024, 9:48 AM
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Cool, now just point out the good guys
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Feb 15, 2024, 1:11 PM
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who will never, ever, have a bad moment, breakdown, mental episode, or a mistake (ie. leave their gun unattended for a kid or criminal to grab).
If you can predict the good guys, who will never have any issues or make any mistakes, with 100% certainty, then I'm for more people having guns.
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The numbers dont lie CWOs have never used a gun in public to hurt any
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Feb 15, 2024, 1:19 PM
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Innocent person. However there are numerous examples where a CWO has stepped up in a violent crime situation and saved innocent victims. These are facts. You can look them up if you don’t believe me. Me telling you my sources or asserting it probably won’t convince you, so I invite you to do your own research. You will see that CWOs are good guys. Now they are not the only good guys, but the fact that they have undergone the scrutiny and checks in order to get a CWO permit is proving to be a great indicator that they indeed are trustworthy gun owners who should be welcomed everywhere with their weapon. They are akin to an under cover cop essentially.
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I'm not against gun ownership
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Feb 15, 2024, 8:21 PM
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I'm against the idealogy that ONLY answer to staying safe is that more people should carry a gun.
For a myriad of reasons there are people in this nation that don't feel safe owning a gun. Much less, carrying one around all the time waiting for something to happen.
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Re: The numbers dont lie CWOs have never used a gun in public to hurt any
Feb 15, 2024, 11:16 PM
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lol. Do you realize how easy it is to get a CCW permit. Where I live, you go to the sheriffs office, fill out a form, and leave with a permit. They don’t vet much of shiz
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Re: The numbers dont lie CWOs have never used a gun in public to hurt any
Feb 16, 2024, 5:29 PM
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Need to do a little more research. Search on how many times concealed carry permit holders discharge their weapons in a year. Then look at what fraction of those shootings have a spouse or other family member as victim. It’s around a third.
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Police officers are trained, and have continuing training
Feb 15, 2024, 8:24 PM
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while they are employed. Many Police officers also have military training as a background as well. Even then, there are plenty of examples where cops make mistakes too.
The average person does not go through any where remotely close to such extensive training.
But the other question that should be asked is: why should the answer be to make a segment of people do something that they don't want to do?
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^^^EXACTLY^^^ Gun free zone laws are just plain dumb and invite gun violence
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Feb 15, 2024, 1:23 PM
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Because the gun criminal does not obey the law and they know it is a risk free zone to do whatever they want. We need more CWOs with their guns everywhere so that when a violent criminal goes on a rampage, we can crowd source the neutralization of him in less than 5 seconds.
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Nope, its an infraction (unless its a DUIthats criminal).***
Feb 15, 2024, 11:53 AM
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Re: Well, he is a Texan, apparently
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Feb 15, 2024, 12:09 PM
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Dude he won’t get probation for that. It’s a low misdemeanor. It’ll probably get dropped down to an even lesser charge and he’ll have to pay a fine.
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Re: Well, he is a Texan, apparently
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Feb 15, 2024, 6:02 PM
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Hate to be this way, but I hope Dabo settles this in a way that puts him on the field against Georgia.
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So.... If he had a concealed carry license....
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Feb 15, 2024, 3:07 PM
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And had the gun in his glove compartment or trunk, then there would have been no weapon-related charge, right?
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Re: Are you scared of a CWP holder having a gun ?
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Feb 15, 2024, 9:05 AM
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That’s a foolish statement. What he said is 100% true. Having a gun is not criminal. Using it unlawfully is.
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Reading comprehension applies.***
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Re: Are you scared of a CWP holder having a gun ?
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Agreed. They don’t understand that we have to know the laws inside and out. I have a safe bolted to my interior of my truck. Even as a college student I carry up until the moment I am about to step out of the vehicle. Per state law, I secure the firearm in the locked safe. Concealed permit holders are always concerned with following the law. This is why we are able to keep a CFP (concealed firearm permit). We carry and will only use the firearm to save life. We do not carry to take life. To qualify you must be a law abiding citizen with no criminal or domestic violence charges.
Criminals are the ones who you have to worry about. They don’t care about the law and place little value on human life. All life is precious. Blaming the gun on violence is like blaming a fork for making you fat. The problem is what’s inside the person and not the tool they use. Criminals will illegally purchase a firearm in some dark alley. No amount of legislation will keep firearms out of criminals hands. Why? Because they do not respect laws. Gun control only makes it harder for law abiding citizens to purchase a gun. According to the Bureau of Criminal Statistics, concealed carry owners have never committed a mass shooting. The majority of those who commit these heinous crimes illegally obtain a firearm.
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Thank you for carrying sir ***
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Re: Thank you for carrying sir ***
Feb 15, 2024, 12:20 PM
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I've never heard of a CWP holder commiting a gun crime with a CW.
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Feb 15, 2024, 11:46 AM
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I remember reading an exhaustive nationwide study about this a few years ago. There have been a few cases where CWP holders committed gun crimes with rifles or with handguns within their own homes (in which case their CWP was irrelevant), but not with a concealed weapon outside the house. There have been many cases where CWP holders have saved lives outside their homes by stopping shooters who didn't have CWPs (including at college campuses). For example, IIRC, a CWP holding woman in SC stopped a guy who was shooting up a party. And a CWP holding man (in Minnesota?) stopped a rifle-wielding gunman at a mall, probably saving many lives.
CWP holders commit far less crimes than the average citizen, so I'd feel perfectly safe in a room full of CWP holders. Utah has constitutional carry and, IIRC, the highest carry-rate in the nation (at ~25%) but they have one of the lowest gun homicide rates in the country.
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Re: I've never heard of a CWP holder commiting a gun crime with a CW.
Feb 17, 2024, 9:50 AM
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Untrue. Most citizens commit no crimes. The vast majority of CWP holders commit crimes on a weekly or monthly basis, if you include carrying a weapon where prohibited.
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Why does that make him a psycho? Everyone should be carrying at all times
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everywhere and routinely practice shooting so they are ready to take action in the dreadful situation where a real psycho starts attacking and killing people out of thin air. Why be a sitting duck? Be ready!
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Re: I wonder how many times violent crimes would have been stopped by a CWP?
Feb 15, 2024, 11:27 AM
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I'd guess most people, with CWPs, are law abiding people.
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that is utter lunacy, especially considering half the population has an IQ
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under 100. I am more afraid of those folks than the common criminal. I mean the fact that a grown man feels the need to carry a fire arm at all times tells me just how secure in himself he is, then, of course, the fantasy that you all are going to solve and prevent crimes is adorable, trained law enforcement is barely capable of this. You all would be shooting the wrong people left and right, you know, cause IQ under 100 and insecure and afraid.
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Concealed Weapon Permit owners have an extremely high IQ and are law abiders
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Feb 15, 2024, 2:03 PM
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That should give you comfort knowing that when they are around, they have your back should a bad guy start trying to kill people. We need more of these good guys amongst us with their weapons at the ready!
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Re: Concealed Weapon Permit owners have an extremely high IQ and are law abiders
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the chances of being involved in a mass shooting are monumentally elcipsed by the probability of being shot by a person your know, or by your own gun. Just looking at the statistics, most intentional shootings are crimes of passion, not random acts of violence, so handing eveyone a gun is kinda silly being that a good portion of our population lacks the emotional maturity and impulse control to reposibly hold a conceiled carry permit. The bottom line is that more guns doe not make us safer, it is wquite the opposite. You have to factor human stupidty into the equation before youy make any assumptios here.
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Re: Concealed Weapon Permit owners have an extremely high IQ and are law abiders
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Feb 15, 2024, 3:31 PM
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Doesn't matter. Constitution.
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Re: Concealed Weapon Permit owners have an extremely high IQ and are law abiders
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Constitution isn’t even it. It goes beyond that. Self-defense is a natural right that implies the right to possess the means of self-defense. It’s more Ninth than Second amendment in my book.
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Re: How many innocent people have been shot by CWP carriers?
Feb 15, 2024, 2:06 PM
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I haven't heard of any, maybe there have been instances of such, I don't know. If you've heard of such, does it compare to how many innocent people have been murdered by convicted felons? And the idea of a CWP isn't to solve crime, it's for self protection. And the idea that you are more afraid of a responsible citizen, CWP or not, than you are of a criminal carrying a weapon, may not be utter lunacy, or adorable, but it doesn't make a lot of sense. By the way, I don't have a CWP, but I'm not against the idea. When it comes to facing a gun or a knife, in the hands of someone, that doesn't give a rats ### whether he takes your life or leaves you in critical condition, I'd be willing to bet for all your superior intellect, and courage, that you would become very insecure in your ability to defend yourself.
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Re: How many innocent people have been shot by CWP carriers?
Feb 17, 2024, 9:47 AM
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Around one third of people shot by CWP holders are a spouse or other family member. More than half are is the CWP holders themselves. A small fraction are criminals. When that actually happens, it makes the big news.
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Yes
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I always have a handgun that stays in my vehicle whenever I can't carry it with me. And I had no idea this was not allowed at Clemson.
How did the police even have cause to search his vehicle to find the gun?
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Re: Yes
Feb 15, 2024, 10:02 AM
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Some sort of motor vehicle infraction "failure to exercise due care in a motor vehicle"
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Re: Yes
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Oh and he consented to the car being searched. And supposedly it was not loaded, so perhaps he forgot it was there. Or, maybe he went to a gun range recently and the gun slipped out the range bag and slid under something and when he carried the range bag inside thought he had put it away. Who knows
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Re: Yes
Feb 15, 2024, 6:07 PM
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Let’s hope it’s something like that.
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Re: You bring a gun to campus on game days?
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I’m sure the people attacked at the Super Bowl parade wish they had someone with a gun to protect them or stop the shooter. I always carry.
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Re: You bring a gun to campus on game days?
Feb 15, 2024, 12:15 PM
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The police still aren't sure exactly what happened, who was involved, and why the shooting occurred. There would have been even more confusion, and possibly even more victims, if a bunch of "good guys" pulled their guns out and started blasting.
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Re: You bring a gun to campus on game days?
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Or not.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Feb 15, 2024, 6:41 PM
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Had a gun in my vehicle plenty of times on campus. Came back from hunting to go to class. These laws are kind of ridiculous in certain contexts. I think intent has to be figured into the punishment. As well as if you own the gun legally.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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The law doesn’t apply if you have a permit AND the gun is secured.
SECTION 16-23-420. Possession of firearm on school property; concealed weapons.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Hearing he consented to vehicle search and gun was not his, in the trunk and not loaded. But the law is the law. Have to let the process play out and accept consequences and move forward.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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I am a little curious why the traffic stop continued with a search of his vehicle. That may be the issue that leads this case to a pretrial intervention or settlement.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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yeah what was he doing traffic wise to cause the stop that would make them ask to check the trunk
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
Feb 15, 2024, 8:54 AM
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Yes, when and what kind of traffic violation. Was the vehicle registered to him? In New Jersey, small town police look for moving and non moving violations especially late at night or early morning.
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I hope it wasn't for DWB.
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Driving while black.
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Re: I hope it wasn't for DWB.
Feb 15, 2024, 6:10 PM
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Or white. Black cop pulled me over in Virginia late night for no reason I can think of other than possibly out-of-state (New York) plates.
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Re: I hope it wasn't for DWB.
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Alway suspicion of DUI but they don’t have cause. Everyday violation of the constitution.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Feb 15, 2024, 9:40 AM
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Worked for a guy who was a retired officer while in HS. He gave me some great advice- never consent to a vehicle search.. you can politely decline and save yourself the time and hassle. Usually the officer is just fishing for an excuse to ‘find something’. Obviously, details are lacking, and we are short on context in this situation, but while I was in college this advice worked out well for me and I was able to avoid unnecessary additional pain beyond a traffic violation.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Feb 15, 2024, 8:45 AM
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Forget about football, this is a young man honored for his academic success and he might just have ruined his future. Capehart is not an NFL talent but should be a college graduate that has a bright future in whatever field he goes into. Very sad situation.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Feb 15, 2024, 8:52 AM
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whatever
it’s a stupid law
not only can you possess but actually carry on some campuses in this nation
public was probably at more risk with the officers finger fiddlin’ the weapon than anything else
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
Feb 15, 2024, 9:05 AM
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I get it. But gun safety and training are important too. It is still a college and guns around schools are not a good combo.
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Ruined his career for basically a jaywalking situation? These kinds of ticky
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Feb 15, 2024, 9:02 AM
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tacky laws being used to shakedown folks is the problem in this country now days. We have real criminals and law breakers entering this country illegally and the authorities give them a free pass and access to housing and tax payer $$, yet we are persecuting a guy for having an unloaded gun in his trunk. ###??? This country has turned into Alice in Wonderland!
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Feb 15, 2024, 9:09 AM
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Relax. He will get probation and community service provided something worse did not happened here. The truth should set him free. It will play out in court.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
Feb 15, 2024, 12:15 PM
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He will not get probation. You get probation for felonies. He will get a fine at the most. This is a light misdemeanor.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
Feb 16, 2024, 9:47 AM
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It’s a felony, punishable by up to 5 year confinement and 5000 fine.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Feb 15, 2024, 9:15 AM
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I hope he gets his degree but that being said if he builds off last year, he could find a spot on an NFL roster. He is a big boy and the nfl loves guys that can plug a gap.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
Feb 15, 2024, 12:13 PM
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His future won’t be ruined. It’s a very light misdemeanor charged that will definitely be reduced or dismissed completely. At the most he pays a fine
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
Feb 15, 2024, 12:13 PM
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His future won’t be ruined. It’s a very light misdemeanor charged that will definitely be reduced or dismissed completely. At the most he pays a fine
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Feb 15, 2024, 9:14 AM
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Sounds like a bogus stop to begin with? This is exactly why people hate cops. They take a good kid, I think, idk him, and give him the ninth and arrest him. Power hungry cop. Probably a bully too. I have cop friends and respect officiers, but this really tries my religion.
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YUP***
Feb 15, 2024, 2:09 PM
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A CWP allows carry on school premises
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Feb 15, 2024, 9:17 AM
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Assuming he hadn’t taken that important step.
The law says: “The provisions of this subsection related to any premises or property owned, operated, or controlled by a private or public school, college, university, technical college, or other post-secondary institution, do not apply to a person who is authorized to carry a concealed weapon pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23 when the weapon remains inside an attended or locked motor vehicle and is secured in a closed glove compartment, closed console, closed trunk, or in a closed container secured by an integral fastener and transported in the luggage compartment of the vehicle.”
If you have a CWP, carry on.
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Re: A CWP allows carry on school premises
Feb 15, 2024, 9:38 AM
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Is he even 21 yet in order to comply with that ridiculousness?
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Re: A CWP allows carry on school premises
Feb 15, 2024, 9:39 AM
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That’s gross misinterpretation of the law. It allows for the weapon to be locked in a locker or safe bolted or chained inside the vehicle. Not the ability to carry on campus. South Carolina is very clear on this issue. If you reread the law you posted, that is the crux of the section. Secured firearm in the vehicle. Carrying on campus is not legal in North or South Carolina.
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Re: A CWP allows carry on school premises
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Feb 15, 2024, 9:45 AM
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Smoke another one bro. He quoted the statute and you claim he's making a gross misrepresentation of the law! But wait, there's more. You then go and do what you accused him of doing by claiming the law requires guns be bolted and chained down. Oy
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Re: A CWP allows carry on school premises
Feb 15, 2024, 11:48 AM
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What did I misinterpret? I quoted the law…which says nothing about “chain.” LOL. You can have a gun on any campus if you have a CWP. It just has to be in a closed compartment of the vehicle. Leave the chains and locks for your bedroom.
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Re: A CWP allows carry on school premises
Feb 15, 2024, 10:39 AM
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That is the way my CWP instructor explained it. He said while on campus, you cannot have it on your person, but it has to be in a glove box, console or in the luggage compartment in a container with an integral lock. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me that it has to be in a container in the luggage compartment but can be in the glove box or console without being in a container. I think they keep these laws confusing intentionally so they can have loopholes to hang their hats on if they want to stop someone.
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Re: A CWP allows carry on school premises
Mar 11, 2024, 7:52 AM
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The glove box has to be locked. How many youngsters even know there’s a lock on the glove box.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Feb 15, 2024, 9:35 AM
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Shall not be infringed...tyrants
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"A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state,
Feb 16, 2024, 8:13 PM
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the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" (typed from memory, thank you very much). A "well regulated militia" is not any moron being able to have as many guns as they can afford or carry them anywhere they please. For the latter, see the public safety exemption to the First Amendment (you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater). If there are limits on free speech, there are limits to any other right too. Besides, until the 1960s the courts routinely interpreted the Second Amendment to apply to the states' right to have militias, not individual gun ownership. That's a very recent development due to the persistent lobbying of the gun lobby and right wing activist judges. Yes, that's a "conservative" thing too. Full disclosure, I am a gun owner, just not a gun nut. If I ever feel like I need to carry a gun at all times for protection, it's time to move.
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Re: "A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state,
Feb 21, 2024, 1:33 PM
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Wrong. Reread what you recited..."the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Every moron or not, (who decides that by the way?) if they're a citizen, has the right to keep and bear arms.
The statement "a well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state" is an explanation for the right that is about to be stated. It is not meant as a limitation of the right.
"If I ever feel like I need to carry a gun at all times for protection, it's time to move." Your "feeling" safe is irrelevant. The fact is, you aren't safe with or without a gun, but you have the right to carry one regardless. My point: idgaflip about anyone's feeling as a test of my rights.
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Well that's not good.
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Feb 15, 2024, 9:46 AM
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Hopefully it was just an innocent mistake, but he should still know better.
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I had a gun in my truck every day...
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Feb 15, 2024, 10:08 AM
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...I attended Clemson and somehow it didn't hurt anybody 😮
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I did in High School for 11th and 12th grades... Nobody ever even knew. (.45)***
Feb 15, 2024, 11:00 AM
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Re: When I was in high school, it wasn't anything to see a pick up truck
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Feb 15, 2024, 11:17 AM
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in the parking lot, with a rifle rack full of guns. Most all the boys carried some kind of pocket knife. I don't remember anyone coming close to being shot or knifed. I hear both are no nos now. Different times, I guess.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Feb 15, 2024, 11:30 AM
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I often carry guns and I’m as clean as Billy Graham. I love target shooting
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So either he didn't have the firearm properly stored in his vehicle or he
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Feb 15, 2024, 12:20 PM
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Doesn't have a CWP. Either way part of being a responsible gun owner is knowing the law and following it. I'm not saying throw the guy in jail but there has to be some penalty for breaking the law. The good thing about our legal system is that the judge has some leeway in assessing the penalty and he or she can determine if his action was just careless or more serious.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
Feb 15, 2024, 12:20 PM
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Not good. But, cops go absolutely crazy when they find a gun in a car after you are stopped. You automatically become a terrorist in their eyes. I actually think littering should require a stiffer sentence since nobody is going to throw their gun out of their window while driving down the road.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
Feb 15, 2024, 3:35 PM
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If the gun was in his trunk and unloaded, I hope they can resolve this lightly, i.e. maybe a misdemeanor.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Feb 15, 2024, 5:04 PM
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All gun laws are for good,law abiding folks -- and sometimes we get caught for minor rule violations and pay the fine / price,because they write the gun laws,like an insurance policy reads ( confuse**** ) -- never saw a crook give a dang about the gun laws or pay a fine for killing a bunch of folks - I will have my guns near me as much as possible and "PRAY" everyday,I will never have to use it against another human being. I remember the 1988 school shooting at Oakland Elementary in Greenwood,South Carolina -- maybe if trained teachers would have had CWP/gun protection, innocent children would have been saved ?? A friend of mine and teacher "Kat Finkbeiner ,jumped him and was shot twice,once in the jaw,but he still killed two more 8 year old children and wounded five,before being apprehended.
Guns are not the problem or the answer -- I don't know if anyone knows ??? , but I think everyone has a right to defend themself and family from the ""Bad Guys""
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It's clear that guns are the problem.
Feb 16, 2024, 8:33 PM
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There are far too many of them in this country. Too many guns, too many idiots. We are an outlier in terms of guns per person and gun deaths. 120.5 guns per capita (No. 1 by far). Only No. 2 in gun deaths (thanks Brazil). By the way, guns deaths (murders, suicides, and accidents) are clustered in the South and West where there are less restrictions. Coincidence, I don't think so. While I support the right of everyone to protect their home/family/person/property, hunt, or target shoot, no one but the cops needs to carrying around guns all the time. If I ever feel like I need to carry at all times to feel safe, then it's time for me to move. I'm a gun owner too before you accuse me of being anti-gun.
Sources:
https://ammo.com/articles/gun-ownership-by-state
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
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There are provisions for exceptions in the statute
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Feb 16, 2024, 5:35 AM
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If the firearm is secured in a vehicle on the premises then it’s not unlawful. Unless, I’m merely reading the statute incorrectly. One question I have is why they searched his vehicle in the first place if he wasn’t suspected of committing a crime. A traffic stop does not give cause to articulate reasonable suspicion to search a vehicle. Then again, we don’t know all of the details. However, if Demonte Capehart had his personal firearm locked away in the glovebox or center console then he was within the lawful guidelines of S.C. Code.
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Re: TNET: Clemson defensive tackle arrested
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Feb 16, 2024, 6:48 AM
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Hopefully the issue will blow over quickly. I'm not really sure how they're defining possession here but if in the car is possession then tens of thousands violate that statute on football Saturdays.
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Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Feb 16, 2024, 8:34 PM
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Part of being a responsible gun owner is making sure your firearms are safely secured. I'd hate for any of mine to used in the commission of a crime, let alone kill someone.
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Re: Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Feb 16, 2024, 9:43 PM
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Part of being a responsible gun owner is making sure your firearms are safely secured. I'd hate for any of mine to used in the commission of a crime, let alone kill someone.
Well, according to some sources close to the situation, Demonte Capehart did not own the firearm, but it actually belonged to someone else. Further, the firearm was allegedly secured in a glove compartment or center console, thus the State of South Carolina has no viable cause of action to bring against the young man. Possession of a firearm is unlawful on school grounds whenever it is on your persons. However, the exception to the statute is provided where the firearm is secured in a vehicle.
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