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Kurt Fleming
Oct 15, 2014, 4:11 PM
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Where the hell is Kurt Fleming on 4th and 1. He would get that yard 90% of the time. Dude is a beast
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link to that 90% stat?***
Oct 15, 2014, 4:15 PM
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Re: link to that 90% stat?***
Oct 15, 2014, 10:35 PM
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The link is common sense and having an eye for talent!
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Chad has not thought of that..he needs another 200k***
Oct 15, 2014, 4:15 PM
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But the other 10% will occur when we need it the most?
Oct 15, 2014, 4:17 PM
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Never a guarantee just like shotgun isn't a guarantee of success or failure although we seem to have used up all our bad mojo with it...I hope.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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You mean 90% of the times
Oct 15, 2014, 4:22 PM
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that he didn't false start to make it 4th and 5 or fumble the ball?
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Orange Blooded [2557]
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No, he means it works 90% of the time, every time.
Oct 15, 2014, 6:38 PM
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Makes sense to me,,,,,,**********
Oct 15, 2014, 10:28 PM
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Re: You mean 90% of the times
Oct 15, 2014, 8:24 PM
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Wouldn't it be 4th and SIX - not 4th and 5 after the 5-yard penalty?
Just nitpicking. Yeah - he made a mistake - dang - big whoop. Yeah he fumbled ONCE - big whoop again. Wow - no other CLEMSON player has had a false start penalty or fumbled. Glad to hear THOSE are the only reasons for not letting the big man run. You do realize that he is the ONLY player we have that can carry defenders for several yards - and probably just let's them jump on him just to let them know it doesn't matter. Fleming is the ONLY short-yardage back that we need. We're just too dang stupid to use him.
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fumbled in a similar situation***
Oct 15, 2014, 4:27 PM
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We brought him in during the UNC game
Oct 15, 2014, 4:30 PM
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He promptly picked up a false start penalty....as a running back.
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Re: We brought him in during the UNC game
Oct 15, 2014, 4:46 PM
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SO SICK OF THE FLEMING TALK! HE PLAYED WELL AGAINST SC STATE AND EVEN FUMBLED THEN. EVERY OTHER TIME HE HAS BEEN IN, HE HAS MADE MISTAKES. LEAVE IT ALONE!!!!! The Coaches will put him in when they feel he isn't going to shoot us in the foot.
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Agreed - the coaches know best. However, it's absurd to
Oct 15, 2014, 6:20 PM
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draw the conclusion that simply because he fumbled and had a false start, as many seem to believe, that therefore he shouldn't be playing. We have receivers dropping balls and O-linemen missing blocks and players making mistakes every week.
I'm not saying that Fleming IS deserving of more carries; the coaches have indicated that he's not quite there and that's good enough for me. A bunch of knee-jerking fans assuming that he's not ready because he made a few mistakes is not.
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Re: We brought him in during the UNC game
Oct 15, 2014, 7:03 PM
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So by your conclusion on Flemming; Cole stoudt, Mike Williams and several other players on our team should never see the field again? Mind you we had one player ( a fifth year SR) throw to a cardinal defense all day then fall on the ground in the red zone with enough seconds on the clock to get a fg attempt in with a spike of the ball. Also by your conclusion, nearly half of the RBS in the NFL shouldn't be playing right now seeing that most of them have fumbled a few times in their career. I say put him in at this point. See what happens.
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You're missing the big picture
Oct 15, 2014, 7:53 PM
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The coaches don't trust him. That's not his fault, he hasn't played football in several years, and it shows. They gave him another shot in the UNC game, and he just proved why they don't trust him yet. He will get better, but at this point, forcing him to play when he simply isn't ready isn't really fair to him.
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I agree that we can assume, based on the fact that Fleming
Oct 15, 2014, 8:10 PM
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is 4th string, AND the fact that coaches have said that he's not quite ready, that he's not quite ready. What we have seen does support that. It would be a mistake, however, to assume that he is fumble prone because he fumbled in very limited action.
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I don't necessarily think he is fumble prone but
Oct 16, 2014, 7:32 AM
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I do believe he is mistake prone. That comes from not knowing completely what he's doing.
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Re: Kurt Fleming
Oct 15, 2014, 4:49 PM
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Forget that, where the heck is William Perry?
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You mean the guy that broke the shutout?***
Oct 15, 2014, 4:51 PM
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Re: You mean the guy that broke the shutout?***
Oct 15, 2014, 4:55 PM
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You can't talk about my white player that way.
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Re: You mean the guy that broke the shutout?***
Oct 15, 2014, 4:57 PM
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If he's white he's alright.
This is the T-net roster management motto.
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Re: You mean the guy that broke the shutout?***
Oct 15, 2014, 4:57 PM
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Did you hear about Boulware? He's a real hardnosed guy with deceptive athleticism. He has a real nose for the ball and has good instincts. Just like our other great LB Spencer Shuey
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Re: You mean the guy that broke the shutout?***
Oct 15, 2014, 6:17 PM
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Spencer had that high motor. All good white guys have that.
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Re: You mean the guy that broke the shutout?***
Oct 15, 2014, 6:33 PM
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Just like Spencer you say? That bloke reminded me of the way Brian Urlacher played the game. Good show then young Boulware! Pay your dues and you might be the next Luke Kuechly or James Laurinaitis. Hopefully our Wes Welker clone Adam Humphries will take young Boulware under his wing.
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Re: You mean the guy that broke the shutout?***
Oct 15, 2014, 6:36 PM
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He's not quite as nasty as #### Butkus - but close. More of a Mike Ditka or Kevin Greene, you know?
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Re: You mean the guy that broke the shutout?***
Oct 15, 2014, 6:42 PM
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So more like Rudy's heart in Paul Posluzny's body with Clay Matthew's attitude, JJ Watt's work ethic and Rob Gronkowski's youthful exuberance.
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It's getting mighty white up in here.***
Oct 15, 2014, 6:46 PM
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Re: You mean the guy that broke the shutout?***
Oct 16, 2014, 12:31 AM
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How dare you speak poorly of Clemson football players. He has worked hard and is a good ambassador to Clemson. I don't have an issue with you trashing coaches, but the players? You must be a coot...
(^sarcasm)
What's worse, Fleming's fumble or Three and Stoudt?
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11560282
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"We have to be who we are..."
Oct 15, 2014, 4:56 PM
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Apparently we are a team that is not supposed to gain any yardage in short yardage situations.
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Re: Kurt Fleming
Oct 15, 2014, 5:00 PM
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Yes put 90% of the time it will work all the time so it just makes sense.
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Re: Kurt Fleming
Oct 15, 2014, 6:15 PM
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It seems every time we get a first down in the red zone. It's 1st and goal at the 9 then we go backwards for 2 plays then throw it out the back of the end zone. Our bad play calling down there cost us the FSU game. It dose not seem to be getting better either.
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Is young, and fumbled twice in the only game he played in...
Oct 15, 2014, 7:11 PM
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against SC State's 2nd and 3rd stringers. I believe that is why you haven't seen him since. There is upside with Fleming, but he wouldn't make a difference with our poor oline play. Adam Choice has huge legs and is low to the ground, yet he can't pick up on short yardage behind our terrible oline.
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Re: Is young, and fumbled twice in the only game he played in...
Oct 15, 2014, 7:13 PM
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agree!! it ALL starts with the O/L
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Re: Is young, and fumbled twice in the only game he played in...
Oct 15, 2014, 7:23 PM
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Yes, I agree with the whole O-line discussion, but at this point I'm ready to see something else in short yardage situations besides a QB read option play from the shotgun. 20 or so attempts later and yet no one is still fooled by it.
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You may not be saying it exactly, but I disagree completely
Oct 15, 2014, 8:06 PM
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with the notion that the reason Fleming isn't playing is because he is fumble-prone. Yes, he did fumble once, and was credited with another during the exchange with the 3rd string QB (which may have been a bad handoff). Obviously, coaches have him 4th string for a reason, and I believe he is just behind other players in many aspects of the game, who unlike Fleming have years of recent football experience. He may carry the ball 200 more times without a fumble; the sample size is way to small at this point to label him. Why not say Mike Williams is "drop prone" after the UGA game and not allow him to play any more. Why not keep Ammon Lakip on the bench since he can't make a field goal? Why not bench every O-lineman that misses a block or two? Fleming may be fumble prone, but we sure have no way of making that determination.
Btw, I do agree about our OL; needs a lot of work.
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I agree we need to put him in more short yardage
Oct 15, 2014, 10:39 PM
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Situations but idc how big you are, all you need to do is get hit at the legs and you'll go down. Seems like he's been a lost cause since the Scst game. Maybe the coaches are putting a harsh punishment on him for fumbling the ball and letting scst getting there only TD of the game. Regardless we need to try him or DJ Reader more at short yardage situations. I bet Boulware vs Flemming is a fun matchup to watch during practice.
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Trying to find the football he fumbled...
Oct 16, 2014, 6:37 AM
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the last time someone handed it to him.
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