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???: If i were to get the Covid despite being Moderna-ed and
Aug 9, 2021, 10:10 PM
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then required intubation in a filled-to-capacity ICU, will they kick out some unvaccinated schmuck so that I can have a bed...?
Thank you for your perspectives. ;~)
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Re: ???: If i were to get the Covid despite being Moderna-ed and
Aug 9, 2021, 10:38 PM
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All God's children get sick when it is their time and if the good Lord allows, they will be treated by a doctor.
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You have misunderstood this in more ways than one,, that
Aug 9, 2021, 10:47 PM
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is not what that means.
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Re: You have misunderstood this in more ways than one,, that
Aug 9, 2021, 11:07 PM
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Please explain what the CDC means by that 20% number>>>
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Re: You have misunderstood this in more ways than one,, that
Aug 9, 2021, 11:36 PM
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You’re wasting you time talking to all the sheep here
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Re: You have misunderstood this in more ways than one,, that
Aug 10, 2021, 6:53 AM
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Please explain what the CDC means by that 20% number>>>
Since you posted the link to the numbers lets look at them shall we. Out of the 164 Million people in the USA that have been vaccinated only 7,525 have had a COVID-19 breakthrough resulting in hospitalization. That is a .0045% hospitalization rate for vaccinated folks. Looking at it another way 99.9954% of those vaccinated never see a hospital because of COVID-19 - regardless of age or health condition.
The first public COVID-19 vaccinations started back in mid-December 2020. From mid-December 2020 to the beginning of August 2021, there have been a total of 902,622 hospital admissions for COVID-19 throughout the USA. Considering that only 7,525 of those 902,622 COVID-19 hospitalizations were vaccinated people I think it is fair to say that the unvaccinated are the vast majority being sent to the hospital for COVID-19. Somewhere on the order of 99.16% of people being hospitalized for COVID-19 are those that are not vaccinated.
Now let's look at the COVID-19 death numbers... Of the total 7,525 COVID breakthrough cases of all ages and health conditions that required hospitalization, 1,507 have died. That also translates into an all encompassing COVID-19 death rate of .00091% for those that have been vaccinated. So... if you are vaccinated you have a 99.999% chance of surviving COVID-19 even if you should be a breakthrough case. Since mid-December 2020 (when the vaccines first became publicly available) up to today there have been 287,179 deaths attributed to COVID-19 in the USA. Of those deaths 1,507 were of vaccinated people. Once again, the vast majority that are dying from COVID-19 is among the unvaccinated population to the tune of 99.48% of all COVID-19 deaths are happening to unvaccinated people.
The bottom line is that any honest reading of the data tells you to get the dadgum shot. While the vaccine may not totally prevent you from getting COVID-19, the data is abundantly clear that it certainly increases the likelihood you will not be hospitalized or ultimately die from the disease. In fact, once you get the shot you have about the same odds of being struck by lightening as you do of dying from COVID-19.
Having said all that, I'm not one for the Government making vaccinations mandatory on the general population because I still believe in individual liberty and the rights of individuals to make their own decisions. However, to make a post inferring that those taking the vaccine are somehow more at risk of death from COVID-19 is just plain stupidity.
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There are a few footnotes you all missed
Aug 10, 2021, 7:45 AM
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The 7525 hospitalizations of vaccinated people with covid. At least 26% of that number was in the hospital for something else.
The 1507 fatal cases includes at least 21% “asymptomatic or not related to covid.”
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Re: There are a few footnotes you all missed
Aug 10, 2021, 9:01 AM
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But...the total covid cases that have been counted by the CDC from day one of the virus have been counted the same way...in other words, when they have reported covid cases for someone that died in the past, it was counted as a covid death regardless of how they died...it only required that they had covid when they died...so the CDC has not changed their counting methods for this. This negates your pointing out what we have been saying from day one, and people like you have been saying was not true from day one!!!!
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Re: There are a few footnotes you all missed
Aug 10, 2021, 2:51 PM
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No. You are wrong again. This is a religious thing to you, isn't it? No matter what empirical data is presented, you're going to misinterpret it and twist it until it meets your already erroneous mindset.
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Sorry, that's wrong
Aug 10, 2021, 10:23 PM
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There were certainly some deaths that were miscounted as covid deaths. But that myth that every death in 2020 was counted as a covid death is old and tired. And has always been wrong. Some death certificates will list covid as the main cause of death, some as a contributing cause. Both of those categories get listed as covid deaths. But just because somebody was positive and asymptomatic doesn't mean the doctor and coroner automatically commit fraud. You know that's just plain stupid.
In the big picture, the number of "excess deaths," (id est, the number of deaths above the number expected in a given year) agrees pretty well with the number of covid deaths.
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Re: You have misunderstood this in more ways than one,, that
Aug 10, 2021, 9:24 AM
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NO!!! They are not reporting how many people got the virus after they got the shots! They are only reporting how many people go to the hospital with covid after the shots. And 20 % of those died, which is a higher rate than the number of people that go into the hospital with covid and have not had the shots (15%).
But, they are not reporting the number of people that got the shots, and got covid before 14 days after the shots, and went into the hospital! And they are not counting the people that had other complications from the shot that did not get covid!!! Like my brother in law...Healthy until he got the first shot, then had to have a pacemaker installed! Same exact thing happened to my best friends' girl friend...healthy, took the shot, got a pacemaker installed within two weeks. Both times, the doctor said "unofficially" that the shots caused the sickness!
It also does not count anyone that got the shots, got covid, and died in their home or anywhere outside of a hospital!!!!!! These numbers are counted for unvaccinated people as the CDC uses coroner reports for those numbers.
It also does not count any of the young people that got the shots and got myocarditis and pericarditis after the shots, there have been thousands of those.
And keep in mind, since there have been thousands of deaths of people who got the shots, then got covid...and the CDC says that your chances of getting and dying from covid after the shots are so low, then for 1507 deaths to occur, there would have to be hundreds of thousands of covid cases to make that a low percentage! And the CDC says that persons that have had the shots, and currently have covid, are contagious, then the recent uptick in cases are due to the number of vaccinated people that are spreading the disease to those not vaccinated!
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Here's the bottom line...
Aug 10, 2021, 4:00 PM
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If you don't want to get a shot - then don't. It's no skin off my ball sack as I personally don't care whether you get the shot or not. If you want to roll the dice with COVID-19 then have at it - chances are even if you get COVID you probably won't die from it unless you are old or have some pre-existing conditions.
However, you should consider that there are a lot of us who have looked at the data (and not just the CDC's data), done our own analysis of said data, studied the pro's and con's of the vaccine, and have talked with our health professionals who deal with COVID every day and made an informed decision to take the vaccine. It is quite clear to most people who have studied the issue honestly and without bias that the vaccine that was developed with the assistance of the Trump Administrations "Operation Warp Speed" provides much more protection against COVID-19 related hospitalization and death than those that do not take the vaccine. To argue otherwise is to be willfully obtuse by ignoring reality.
Like I said, if you don't want to take the vaccine because you don't trust the Government, you hate big pharma, are worried about Bill Gates chipping you, or any other cockeyed reason then don't take it. But for the love of all that is holy, please stop trying tell those of us that know better that the efficacy of the vaccine is no better (or even worse) than those who are unvaccinated especially when your argument is based on a misinterpretation/misrepresentation of the facts/data.
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Re: ???: If i were to get the Covid despite being Moderna-ed and
Aug 9, 2021, 11:36 PM
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wow great research, you really know how to analyze numbers, you really uncovered something here, wish I hadn't got the vaccine, no more vaccines for me, thanks.
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Re: ???: If i were to get the Covid despite being Moderna-ed and
Aug 9, 2021, 11:34 PM
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You calling someone a schmuck ???? Look in the mirror DH
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They didn't have DHs in my baseball leagues 50+ years ago...
Aug 10, 2021, 1:10 AM
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We did have a fake throw to 2nd pick-off play to home and you sure fell for it. ;~)
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Soldiers to be mandated to get vaccine, thankfully
Aug 10, 2021, 12:11 AM
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I am a retired pathologist*(ASCP) and ran a lab in the Army. We had to get many vaccines, and really glad all soldiers and civilians who work for the Pentagon, over 3 million people will have to get the vaccine. This is the largest employer in the world.
If vaccinated, and you get covid, it is nothing much. However, you may still carry the virus. Therefore, masks will have to be mandated as well. This variance is a killer for the unvaccinated. Please get your vaccination and wear a mask, thank you!
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I've had both Moderna shots for months now... I was just
Aug 10, 2021, 1:04 AM
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trollalolling with the most ardent. Apparently they missed it...
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Re: Soldiers to be mandated to get vaccine, thankfully
Aug 10, 2021, 6:14 AM
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Ah Mr Pathologist...you better look at the CDC's website for your facts. The Delta variant isn't killing as many unvaccinated folks as the Alpha variant did. Use data when you make a general statement .
How is the Sweden avoiding all of the calamity with almost zero Covid deaths ?
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Re: ???: If i were to get the Covid despite being Moderna-ed and
Aug 10, 2021, 1:59 AM
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In 2019 I retired from a career in nursing. The last 15 years I was in Invasive Cardiology. Sometimes long hours of boredom interrupted by long hours of intense life or death cases. Mostly we won. We saved lives even when there was no ICU bed for the next patient. I have seen the same scenario in the news during the pandemic where overworked, exhausted health care workers go the extra mile to save their Covid patients.
If you become seriously ill with Covid you should have complete faith that health care workers will go the extra mile to help you recover.
If you take no measures to protect yourself the odds are not in your favor.
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My sister-in-law was a neuro ICU nurse for close to 30 years
Aug 10, 2021, 2:55 AM
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I was just reigniting this debate that has clogged this board for the last couple of weeks and trying to razz some of the hard cores from both sides.
It was intended in jest... It didn't seem to work. I took the Moderna several months back. I'll mask according to proximity and environment.
I've been on an increased vitamin regimen of C, D, and Zn plus the normal multi on a daily basis since Feb. '20... Maybe, maybe not.
I have a real appreciation for most all of the medical community's efforts during this pandemic. Some here need to 'get a clue'...
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Re: My sister-in-law was a neuro ICU nurse for close to 30 years
Aug 10, 2021, 11:19 AM
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The problem is not the medical community. The problem is the government and organizations like the FDA, CDC, WHO, NIH, etc.!
These organizations have never mandated and dictated to doctors how to treat patients. They have offered guidance in the past, but not edicts!
Why is that? Especially when we have had many viruses in the past with far higher mortality rates than Covid.
Trump, power, money, political power! All of these things. It blows my mind that you people can’t see this and how ridiculous it all is. The government and these organizations are not following the science! They have never been following the science.
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Re: ???: If i were to get the Covid despite being Moderna-ed and
Aug 10, 2021, 11:16 AM
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You are full of ####! Covid is not that deadly. It’s very contagious, but it’s not deadly. If 1 million people die in a country of 330 million people that’s .3% which is significantly lower than people that died from polio, smallpox, H1N1, SARS, MERS, HIV, etc. All of which had a higher mortality rate yet there was no hysteria!
Why is there hysteria now? Trump and politics. Power and money.
And those affected anyone and everyone. Covid primarily affects people 65 and older or people that are obese and have diabetes. The regular seasonal flu is actually more dangerous for children. That is a fact!
Less than 1200 people under the age of 25 have died from Covid in America. And the overwhelming majority of them had health issues.
And if you have already had Covid you have natural immunity. You don’t need the vaccine.
Regarding the number of people that have died from Covid, we know for a fact that these numbers are grossly over reported. Dying with Covid is counted as dying from Covid. We also know that tens of thousands of people died because of dumb decisions by politicians in New York, New Jersey, Michigan and other blue states that mixed Covid patients in hospitals and nursing homes with non-Covid patients. We also know that in the early days they were not treating Covid in the ways they are today that are saving people. So when you factor all of this in I would be willing to bet that nearly half of the people that have died either died not from but with Covid or because of stupidity and competence.
Always love when someone says they are a doctor or a nurse but get the basic fundamental facts incorrect.
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Did you know that COVID
Aug 10, 2021, 10:37 PM
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is likely to pass the cumulative death total in the US for HIV (40 years) before the end of the year? To be fair, it's not very contagious.
The bad grammar does bother me. You should never say "less than 1200 people." "Fewer" is the right word there. (I make a little money on the side reviewing/editing engineering text books)
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Stop watching fake news
Aug 10, 2021, 7:29 AM
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And think for yourself.
You might get scared less.
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Sarcasm is a tricky thing... This is a good example.***
Aug 10, 2021, 2:53 PM
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1st come .. 1st serve.. bro..
Aug 10, 2021, 9:14 AM
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next time be quicker
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Maybe go to a T-Rump rally...?***
Aug 10, 2021, 2:49 PM
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Re: ???: If i were to get the Covid despite being Moderna-ed and
Aug 10, 2021, 1:23 PM
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If I was the hospital- I would send you home and keep the no insured person than I can just keep billing the government and make more money. Facts of life! Hospitals, Lawyers and the government are big ripoffs!
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The insurance industry controls ALL of them.***
Aug 10, 2021, 2:50 PM
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Re: Have you seen this guy?
Aug 10, 2021, 2:56 PM
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Yeah. He's stupid.
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By your standard, or his educational institutions?***
Aug 10, 2021, 2:57 PM
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Then I would say you should have Pfizered.***
Aug 10, 2021, 3:40 PM
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No... I got that part right.***
Aug 10, 2021, 9:48 PM
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