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All-In [11076]
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You don't know football if you thought it was Dabo Swinney behind the Nattys
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Nov 15, 2025, 6:57 PM
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it was always Brent Venables
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Re: You don't know football if you thought it was Dabo Swinney behind the Nattys
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Nov 15, 2025, 6:58 PM
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You don’t know football if you don’t know who hired the DC
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All-In [11076]
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go yourself
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Nov 15, 2025, 6:59 PM
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DRad and BV left at the same time and the thing went downhill
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Re: go yourself
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Nov 15, 2025, 8:21 PM
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This is what's known as a spurious correlation.
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Facts***
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Nov 15, 2025, 6:59 PM
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Brent was the Fire that kept burning***
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All-In [10725]
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Re: Brent was the Fire that kept burning***
Nov 15, 2025, 7:22 PM
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As the Psalmist said, the fire that cannot be quenched! Sacking QB’s and inspiring fear of the Lord in top ten teams
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Re: Facts***
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Nov 15, 2025, 7:05 PM
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You don’t know what facts are.
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Orange Phenom [14961]
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so what happened in the Natty against LSU?
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Nov 15, 2025, 6:59 PM
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BV's defense got smoker about 23 times
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All-In [11076]
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way to cherry pick ... it was a rebuild year
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Nov 15, 2025, 7:01 PM
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didn't you even watch the team and see the recruiting cycles
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Re: way to cherry pick ... it was a rebuild year
Nov 15, 2025, 7:03 PM
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Those were the best recruiting classes Clemson has ever had leading up to that natty...
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Game Changer [2061]
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Re: way to cherry pick ... it was a rebuild year
Nov 15, 2025, 8:22 PM
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And then it got smoke the very next year by Ohio State and the Sugar Bowl.
As a matter of fact he got smoked a couple of years in 2018 by South Carolina and Texas A&M, but we had an offense it could bail out those games.
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Ring of Honor [23102]
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Ever heard of Joe Burrow, Ja'marr Chase, Justin Jefferson?
Nov 15, 2025, 7:10 PM
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The top passing QB and the two top receivers in the NFL. Clemson DB's especially Terrell could not cover them.
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Game Changer [2020]
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Re: so what happened in the Natty against LSU?
Nov 15, 2025, 9:56 PM
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Trevor had an off night, Elliott stopped feeding Etienne in the second half, and the defense ran out of gas trying to stop the greatest college offense of all time.
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Re: You don't know football if you thought it was Dabo Swinney behind the Nattys
Nov 15, 2025, 7:01 PM
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Don't be idiotic....BV wasn't even on the coaching radar until Dabo brought him in. He was sharing responsibilities with Stoops' brother
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All-In [11076]
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Re: You don't know football if you thought it was Dabo Swinney behind the Nattys
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Nov 15, 2025, 7:01 PM
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BV coached in Nattys before Clemson
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Re: You don't know football if you thought it was Dabo Swinney behind the Nattys
Nov 15, 2025, 8:24 PM
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The natty trinity: Elliott, Scott, BV
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I'd argue
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Nov 15, 2025, 7:02 PM
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It's short sighted to think any single player or coach was "behind those Nattys." And arguing any single one was responsible does a disservie to the others
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All-In [11076]
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Re: I'd argue
Nov 15, 2025, 7:04 PM
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ok . wait and see
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Top TigerNet [32583]
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Wait and see what?
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Nov 15, 2025, 7:05 PM
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I hope we get another National Title. Absent that in any given year I hop eBrent's team gets one.
But in either of those situations it won't be due to a single coach or player.
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Re: I'd argue
Nov 15, 2025, 7:24 PM
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ok . wait and see
I say the same thing, you wait and watch what he does. He will be contending for and winning titles at Oklahoma for years, or until Bama offers him 20 million a year
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Re: I'd argue
Nov 15, 2025, 7:06 PM
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Exactly but he did take an intensity with him that has been missing. The margins in the tough games are all mental
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Top TigerNet [32583]
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Oh, I tend to agree
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Nov 15, 2025, 7:08 PM
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I think we saw that the thinking and scheming may be able to be replicated, but the fire was hard to reproduce.
He definitely was a huge part of the titles (as were 2 generational QBs, a head coach who installed the culture, a defensive line that dominated, etc).
I just think it's short sighted to say any single person was "behind" the titles.
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Re: You don't know football if you thought it was Dabo Swinney behind the Nattys
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Nov 15, 2025, 7:07 PM
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Agreed. We weren’t great before venables got here and we haven’t been crap since he left
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Re: You don't know football if you thought it was Dabo Swinney behind the Nattys
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Nov 15, 2025, 7:07 PM
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You don’t know football if you think it’s all about one guy, no matter who it is.
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Clemson Sports Icon [54046]
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He didnt say it was all about one guy.***
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Nov 15, 2025, 9:52 PM
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Re: You don't know football if you thought it was Dabo Swinney behind the Nattys
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Nov 15, 2025, 7:12 PM
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Add Jeff Scott and Dan Brooks to that list too.
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Nov 15, 2025, 7:13 PM
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You don’t know football if you didn’t know it was the players. I don’t see any deahuan’s , trevors, etns, mike williams, tee higgins on offense. Not even going tongo into the defense. Covid killed us with no visits first slip. Nil killed us with top players want paid top money. I constantly hear we have plenty of money but we don’t use it. I can’t believe that our coaches would not take the easy way of recruiting and write a check.
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You misspelled
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Nov 15, 2025, 7:14 PM
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Tony Elliott
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Re: You don't know football if you thought it was Dabo Swinney behind the Nattys
Nov 15, 2025, 7:18 PM
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If it wasn't for Dabo, Brent Venables would still be an assistant coach!
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Re: You don't know football if you thought it was Dabo Swinney behind the Nattys
Nov 15, 2025, 7:20 PM
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I'd credit whoever recruited Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawernce
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Nike, none of us doubt BV's contributions to our success; however, without Dabo
Nov 15, 2025, 8:07 PM
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there wouldn't have been BV on our sidelines.
What you're saying is no different than saying you don't know war, if you thought Eisenhower was behind our victory in Europe...It was always (you pick one of his top subordinates.) Our victory was due to the sum total of superior leadership and heroic efforts of our troops, all led by Ike. Our nattys were due to the same...all led by Dabo.
Lastly, despite what any say history will record that it was one each Coach Dabo Swinney at the helm when we won those two natties, and he will be honored therefrom...as well as he should be!
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Re: You don't know football if you thought it was Dabo Swinney behind the Nattys
Nov 15, 2025, 8:13 PM
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You have a terrible memory or are another revisionist. 2 seasons in everyone on this board was going ape #### wanting BV fired bc his defenses were getting gashed in every big game.
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National Champion [7260]
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So you're saying he should give these back...
Nov 15, 2025, 8:18 PM
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Re: You don't know football if you thought it was Dabo Swinney behind the Nattys
Nov 15, 2025, 8:43 PM
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What a ridiculous post. Number one, why was it not Tony Elliott? Number two, Dabo hired both TE and BV so he drove the bus. Number three, what the heck difference does it make any way?
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Re: You don't know football if you thought it was Dabo Swinney behind the Nattys
Nov 15, 2025, 9:44 PM
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You sir are a dumba$$
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Clemson Sports Icon [54046]
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Yep, Venables was the secret sauce.
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Nov 15, 2025, 9:47 PM
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He brought credibility and toughness.
We’ve been a soft, inconsistent, and underachieving program since he left - much like we were before he arrived.
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I'm sure it's that simple.
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Nov 15, 2025, 9:55 PM
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