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All-Conference [-57]
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Just heard Lee Sterling on the radio
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Over the back half of the season Cade has averaged 6 yards per completion. If that was the number for the whole year it would be bottom 15 nationally.
We will have to pull the gloves off to have any chance of winning Another Clemson Championship.
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Paw Master [17393]
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Checking the math
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Dec 6, 2024, 8:03 AM
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UVA 23 completions for 308 yards
LVille 33 for 228
BC 16 for 211
Pitt 27 for 288
Cit 12 for 198
UofSC 24 for 280
135 completions for 1,513 yards
That’s 11.2 ypc
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Varsity [110]
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Way to cherry pick.
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Dec 6, 2024, 8:07 AM
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How about including every game, not just the ones that support your contention?
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CU Guru [1561]
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Re: Way to cherry pick.
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Dec 6, 2024, 8:11 AM
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“Back half of the season”
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Orange Beast [6545]
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Re: Way to cherry pick.
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That's not cherry picking lol....that's literally the back half of the season. The first half would probably be better...SMH
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Varsity [110]
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It's still cherry picking compared to the whole season.
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Dec 6, 2024, 10:44 AM
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Nobody gets an honest evaluation based on half a season.
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Hall of Famer [8532]
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Re: It's still cherry picking compared to the whole season.
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Dec 6, 2024, 1:17 PM
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Holy crap, the whole discussion is about the back half of the season
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Paw Master [16167]
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Re: It's still cherry picking compared to the whole season.
Dec 6, 2024, 1:45 PM
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And he calls everyone ignorant!! Laughable, ha!
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Varsity [110]
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CU Guru [1561]
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Re: It's still cherry picking compared to the whole season.
Dec 6, 2024, 3:02 PM
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You're obviously trolling. But just in case, his YPA would be considerably higher if the first half of the season was also included.
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Varsity [110]
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Wrong
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Dec 6, 2024, 4:09 PM
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Just pointing out and obvious flaw in which this entire post is based.
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CU Guru [1561]
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Re: Wrong
Dec 6, 2024, 5:31 PM
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Yeah, like I said. Enjoy yourself
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Game Changer [1683]
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Re: It's still cherry picking compared to the whole season.
Dec 6, 2024, 4:30 PM
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I believe the intent of the original post is to exhibit a trend. Passing game has become significantly more conservative in the last part of the season. Most likely due to quality of the competition...
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Rival Killer [2913]
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Reading is fundamental. He said last half of the season.***
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Varsity [110]
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Cherry picking the last half of the season
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Dec 6, 2024, 10:47 AM
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is still cherry picking.
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Gridiron Giant [16078]
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It's Literally THE topic.
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:24 AM
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He's not cherry picking if he's responding to a direct question.
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Varsity [110]
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Wrong.
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:31 AM
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It's still cherry picking no matter how it's spun. Intentional disregard of half the data set. Choosing which half to ignore. Classic cherry picking.
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National Champion [7558]
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Re-read the original post. Good gosh. You're arguing just to argue.***
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Varsity [110]
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B.S. the original post cherry picked half the season******
Dec 6, 2024, 3:11 PM
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Varsity [110]
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The direct question is cherry picking
Dec 6, 2024, 4:10 PM
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Classic garbage in, garbage out.
Like this classic...
"When did you stop beating your wife"?
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Varsity [110]
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The QUESTION iterally cherry picked half the season.
Dec 6, 2024, 4:14 PM
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How is that so difficult to understand.
Got discernment?
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All-Pro [738]
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Said you, about yourself. ******
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National Champion [7728]
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Re: Reading is fundamental. He said last half of the season.***
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:56 AM
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No way he actually read the original post fully and didn't comprehend it. There is just no way.
If so I am not sure it is others who are embarrassing the Clemson diploma.
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Varsity [110]
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Of course I read it.
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Dec 6, 2024, 1:14 PM
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Intentionally ignoring 50% of the data set is the poster boy for cherry picking.
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110%er [4039]
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Re: Of course I read it.
Dec 6, 2024, 5:51 PM
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It’s good analysis. Looking at trends. What changed from first half to second half?
Competition harder?
Change in play calling?
An injury we don’t know about?
Loss of confidence?
It’s a totally valid point of discussion.
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Paw Warrior [4700]
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Re: Way to cherry pick.
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Bluffton, you suck again😅😅😅
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Tiger Titan [48348]
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Re: Way to cherry pick.
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Dec 6, 2024, 9:19 AM
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He is just “special”.
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Varsity [110]
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Tell me that you don't understand statistics or logic
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:00 AM
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without using the words.
What sucks is that so many TNetters are so embarrassing it ignorant about either.
In statistical terms, ignoring half the data set isn't valid.
Intentionally ignoring it is dishonest.
Apparently you like those things. Shane on you!
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National Champion [7728]
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Re: Tell me that you don't understand statistics or logic
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It seems you are once again mistaken.
You are trying to determine what the data set is because you got caught in being flat-out wrong and this is an attempt to save face. That's a non-starter because the original post (and the source) already defined the data set, which is half the season.
Choosing a the back half of the season isn't incorrect, its the parameters defined. Just like choosing 1/4 of the season, or conference vs non-conference, home vs away, indoor vs outdoors, day vs night, etc
Because if what OP is doing is cherry picking then what do you call the attached pic? Talk about trotting out stats based on subjective data points aka cherry picking. YIKES!
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Varsity [110]
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Not even. The original post was
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Dec 6, 2024, 1:23 PM
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a classic cherry pick.
Now tell me how intentionally ignoring 50% of the data and arbitrarily selecting what data you want to include is not cherry picking. In fact, it's 🐂💩.
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National Champion [7728]
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Re: Not even. The original post was
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Dec 6, 2024, 1:48 PM
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You are ignoring basic fact. The OP and the radio host determined the dataset for the discussion. You may not like it, but facts don't care about your feeling. It makes it a different discussion than you would like to have, but that's not your choice as it was the OPs.
In fact if that's wrong than so is subjectively selecting 4 games in the season, using a undefined term such as having a "pulse" and posting a stat in order to draw conclusions such as you did in my post above
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National Champion [8013]
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To verify the assertion of the second half stat, you would invalid the
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Dec 6, 2024, 12:56 PM
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calculation if you used data from the first half. The sample size has to be the second half of the season only b/c that what the assertion was based on.
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Campus Hero [13776]
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Re: Way to cherry pick.
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Dec 6, 2024, 9:43 AM
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Is he and JK in a race to break into the 60% pulse barrier?
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Varsity [110]
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No one but weak people care about that.******
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Dec 6, 2024, 10:57 AM
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Campus Hero [13776]
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Re: No one but weak people care about that.******
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:04 AM
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Yep ....... that's what they told me when I retired from 20 years in the Marine Corps ...... just a weak person!
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Varsity [110]
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Non Sequitur
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:06 AM
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Caring about a popularity contest on the internet is weak sauce.
Your career has zero to do with it.
Now explain how intentional disregard for the data set isn't cherry picking. I'll pop some popcorn and wait.
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Ring of Honor [21266]
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Varsity [110]
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Wrong again, Skippy.
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:35 AM
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I use my Clemson education and what it taught me about research to show the facts. Ditto the rules of logic.
Your only rebuttal is namecalling.
How embarrassing for you. Duh.
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Ring of Honor [21266]
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What's with the Canard here, BooBoo?
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:50 AM
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I didn't rebut anything. Just calling out your incessant blowhardity, and considering your ignorance of the OP topic and your doubling down on that ignorance after, it wreaks of moron. You might not be a moron - often simply being a reactionary blowhard can infect one's reading comprehension abilities to where they come across as one.
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Varsity [110]
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You suck all the time.
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Dec 6, 2024, 10:45 AM
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A black hole couldn't out suck you.
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Tiger Spirit [9377]
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Yeah, because the ignorant don't understand
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:04 AM
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That intentionally ignoring half the data set is cherry picking. Duh.
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Ring of Honor [21266]
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Re: Yeah, because the ignorant don't understand
Dec 6, 2024, 11:52 AM
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Your only rebuttal is namecalling.
How embarrassing for you. Duh.
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All-Conference [-57]
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He didn't cherry pick
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Dec 9, 2025, 6:37 PM
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His numbers are for the back half of the season so that supports the contention of the original post.
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Varsity [110]
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The original post is cherry picking half a season.
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Dec 6, 2024, 10:45 AM
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No honest evaluation does that.
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All-Conference [-57]
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It was a handicapper
Dec 6, 2024, 10:50 AM
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Lee Sterling is a handicapper. His job is to study trends not evaluate.
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Varsity [110]
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The entire thing is cherry picked.
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Dec 6, 2024, 10:56 AM
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It doesn't matter who does it.
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Ring of Honor [21266]
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Re: The entire thing is cherry picked.
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:58 AM
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'Cherry picking' would be omitting games within 'back half of the season' that the OP was referencing as a trend, you blithering Dodo bird. Throwing around a bunch of logic terms without understanding their meaning really isn't doing you any favors here.
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Varsity [110]
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So now studying trends is magically "not evaluating"
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:21 AM
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Bwahahahaha. What orifice did you pull that one out of. 😂😂😂😂😂
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CU Medallion [19088]
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Intentionally ignoring half the data set
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:07 AM
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Is the poster child for cherry picking.
Duh.
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Ring of Honor [22953]
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Re: Intentionally ignoring half the data set
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:09 AM
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Bluff I’m usually with you man but on this one you need to just admit you’re wrong and made a dumb comment.
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Varsity [110]
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I'm not wrong.
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Dec 6, 2024, 11:32 AM
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Ignoring half the data set.
Choosing which half to ignore.
That's the poster boy for cherry picking.
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National Champion [8013]
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He was attempting to verify the number that was stated, so he shouldn't
Dec 6, 2024, 12:54 PM
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have include the first half of the season.
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Rival Killer [2971]
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Reading comprehension is your friend, the OP said back half of season***
Dec 6, 2024, 1:30 PM
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Varsity [110]
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The ability to discern is your friend.
Dec 6, 2024, 3:52 PM
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The OP cherry picked 59% of the data set.
Garbage in, garbage out.
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National Champion [7728]
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Re: The ability to discern is your friend.
Dec 6, 2024, 3:54 PM
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You picked 33% of the data set using subjective measures.
I guess its BS when someone else does it but magically makes sense when you do it? There is a couple terms for that 
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All-Time Great [92699]
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I really think you responded to the wrong post
Dec 6, 2024, 5:47 PM
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You would have made sense if you had responded to the OP instead of to the response to it by Swarley
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Paw Master [17393]
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Probably he said yards per attempt, which would be 6.94
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Which is better than 6, but still the bottom half of college football.
Either way, the point remains that we have to execute in the passing attack tomorrow. If I recall, SMU has good stats against the run but pretty weak against the pass. This seems like a “run occasionally to keep them honest but otherwise air it out” type of game, but I’m no coach.
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Orange Phenom [14959]
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Probably said or meant to say yards per attempt***
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Tiger Spirit [10068]
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Re: Checking the math
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UVA 23 completions for 308 yards
LVille 33 for 228
BC 16 for 211
Pitt 27 for 288
Cit 12 for 198
UofSC 24 for 280
135 completions for 1,513 yards
That’s 11.2 ypc
Lol I saw BC and thought I was losing my mind. VT not BC.
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All-TigerNet [5797]
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Re: Checking the math
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We played BC?
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Clemson Icon [25970]
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Yeah, take UVA out and it doesn't look much different.
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10.75 ypc
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Paw Master [16901]
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Who? Harper Lee said the opposite thing on her podcast***
Dec 6, 2024, 8:16 AM
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Tiger Spirit [9595]
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Re: Just heard Lee Sterling on the radio
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Dec 6, 2024, 8:36 AM
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I don't think it's a coincidence that as our running game has become less effective other teams are able to more easily take away our deeper passes. Poor gimpy Mafah isn't making them pay for having light boxes like he was the first half of the year.
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Orange Immortal [67936]
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And we know Cade throws a good deep ball, and we have talented WRs.
Dec 6, 2024, 8:39 AM
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Hmmmmmmmmm . . .
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Game Changer [1761]
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Re: And we know Cade throws a good deep ball, and we have talented WRs.
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Seems you have proven the fact that play call, whoever is calling them, sucks. Let the talent loose. From up top to Riley to Dabo something’s wrong with the play calling. Afraid of making a mistake is not a good offense
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Re: Just heard Lee Sterling on the radio
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Over the back half of the season Cade has averaged 6 yards per completion. If that was the number for the whole year it would be bottom 15 nationally.
We will have to pull the gloves off to have any chance of winning Another Clemson Championship.
It was actually yards per pass attempt not completion.
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All-Conference [-57]
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Re: Just heard Lee Sterling on the radio
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Thanks for clearing that up. Yards per completion wouldn't make sense based on the numbers by the poster above.
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Re: Just heard Lee Sterling on the radio
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I just read that Cam Ward over the entire season is averaging Zero (0) yards per incomplete pass. That puts him tied for dead last with all of the other quarterback in the country.
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Varsity [110]
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This x 1,000!!! ******
Dec 6, 2024, 11:08 AM
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Top TigerNet [30999]
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Re: Just heard Lee Sterling on the radio
Dec 6, 2024, 12:13 PM
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It all depends how you measure.
Length x Width / Mass ^2 – Shaft Angle) + YAW
That's what Randy Marsh said.
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Game Changer [1918]
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Yards per completion, or Yards per attempt?
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Dec 6, 2024, 1:18 PM
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nm
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I am really confused at what changed.
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Starting with App State, and continuing through the Virginia game, our offense was very different than it was for the Georgia game or how it has been since.
Someone should go back to see which games Dabo had his laminated play sheet and which games he did not. I know starting with App State he didn't, and that continued for at least a few games.
So odd that we would change what seemed to be working really well. Did the Louisville cause Dabo or others on the staff to panic and change things?
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National Champion [7728]
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She knows this is false as she already tried that earlier in the season
Dec 6, 2024, 1:55 PM
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and was similarly corrected.
Her feigned ignorance when attacking Dabo is the equivalent of lying. Pretty sad for a so-called Clemson fan.
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National Champion [7728]
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Re: She knows this is false as she already tried that earlier in the season
Dec 6, 2024, 2:31 PM
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Want to make a bet there is no acknowledgment from JK?
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Paw Master [17393]
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Thank you. The "Dabo is calling the offense" fan fiction is non stop for
Dec 6, 2024, 2:41 PM
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some posters here. I don't know why they are so intent on believing it.
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Game Changer [2063]
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Re: I am really confused at what changed.
Dec 6, 2024, 1:44 PM
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It's not confusing. If it's confusing to you then you should probably study more football. The problem is that these defenses in the latter half of the season are able to get more pressure on the quarterback. That means that a lot of routes have to be shorter and the ball has to be released quicker to avoid sacks. Also, a lot of injuries to the offensive line didn't help that situation either.
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Varsity [110]
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Re: Just heard Lee Sterling on the radio
Dec 6, 2024, 3:44 PM
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Bluffton hates any stats. Why, well rushing stats are cherry picking and leaving out the passing!
Whereas passing stats leave out the rushing!
Defensive stats are misleading as well. Why? They leave out the offensive stats.
LOL.
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Varsity [110]
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Wrong. I love states especially meaningful ones
Dec 6, 2024, 4:03 PM
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that are collected accurately and that don't intentionally ignore 59% of the data set.
I'm talking about leaving out 1/2 the season of the posted metric, not the red herrings you threw in there.
There seems to be an epidemic of stupidity and illogic about this today. It's pathological.
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National Champion [7728]
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Re: Wrong. I love states especially meaningful ones
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Dec 6, 2024, 4:05 PM
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You mean like subjectively selecting 33% of a data set to suit ones agenda?
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Orange Blooded [2408]
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Re: Just heard Lee Sterling on the radio
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Dec 6, 2024, 3:58 PM
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Fake News
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Game Changer [1683]
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Re: Just heard Lee Sterling on the radio
Dec 6, 2024, 4:34 PM
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An insightful post. By the way, I love the banter among followers that have responded to your post. Well done!
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