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Why is this board so self-righteous?
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Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 2:49 PM

Everyone here is appreciative of what Swinney has done for the program. But why does it bother you to point out the obvious fact that Swinney threw away a playoff appearance for DJU?

Does past success prevent you from being criticized?

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Find a single post saying Dabo shouldn't be criticized.


Dec 4, 2022, 2:52 PM

If you can't, then your whole premise is a straw man.

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Re: Find a single post saying Dabo shouldn't be criticized.


Dec 4, 2022, 3:01 PM

Yep. It’s kinda like all the posts saying it’s not the fact we lost to ND it’s how we lost to ND. It’s not that people are critical of Dabo. It’s how they are doing it. Accusing him of lying or intentionally hurting the team. Attacking his character by saying he’s made some kind of deal with Big Dave or DJ or his ego has taken control of him. Virtually every Clemson fan wanted to see Cade play more this year. I know I was sitting in the stadium shaking my head for the first 2 series last night.

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This, yes


Dec 4, 2022, 3:17 PM [ in reply to Re: Find a single post saying Dabo shouldn't be criticized. ]

and ignoring that part of the reason Cade was successful WAS that he hasn't played a lot and there's not a lot of film on him. Listen to or read what Mack Brown said after the game about being unprepared for Cade coming in.

Looking back, it was a good game plan to declare DJ the starter and bringing Cade in after a couple of series if DJ wasn't successful. It was sort of a win-win; if DJ had been successful, he could have stayed in and since Cade came in, UNC was unprepared for him. But our beloved Tnet talking heads are echoing ESPN's know-it-alls.

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Re: This, yes- Cade plaYED NICE FOR SURE


Dec 4, 2022, 3:34 PM

but Mack copped out. Cade ran the same offense and plays as DJ. Heels were outclassed and Mack tires to weasel out of it by playing the film card. Just like when he was architect of the fake classes at UNC years ago. The guy is a snake oil salesman like old man Bowden. People here really need to get a clue about him.

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Dec 4, 2022, 7:03 PM



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Dec 4, 2022, 7:06 PM [ in reply to Re: This, yes- Cade plaYED NICE FOR SURE ]



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Re: This, yes


Dec 4, 2022, 6:51 PM [ in reply to This, yes ]

Excellent post BigA131. It takes courage to know your are being benched for a freshman. It shows the kind of person DJ is to be know you are being taken out and knowing it is as Cade’s game. DJ is a man of integrity and respect and has tremendous Character too.

IMO Clemson has benefited because DJ Choose Clemson over other schools. Being a part of this team was beneficial to Cade. I believe one day DJ is going to be a really great HC.

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Re: This, yes


Dec 4, 2022, 7:12 PM

I will have to agree with the poster saying that Cade ran the same plays that DJ did. The only thing the defense had to change was they had to respect Cade’s speed. Cade is also better at running the read option from what I’ve watched. DJ routinely makes the wrong read.

The ball just looked better across the field, timing was on for the throws and they were crisp. The WRs have been harped on all year but it was amazing what happened with the QB change.

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Dec 4, 2022, 7:14 PM [ in reply to This, yes ]

That's an all around dumb take. If you read between the lines they expected to be able to stack the box and not worry about the pass at all, very telling. Had nothing to do with film on Cade and everything to do with the amount of or should I say the lack of respect they were going to have for Clemsons passing game.

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Re: Find a single post saying Dabo shouldn't be criticized.


Dec 4, 2022, 3:55 PM [ in reply to Re: Find a single post saying Dabo shouldn't be criticized. ]

Or the post claiming that the only way Dabo would put Cade in is an a scenario where he’d ensure Cade will fail because Dabo’s ego couldn’t let his lies be exposed.

Apparently it’s now TNet heresy to say “you tell ‘em Coot”, but the low rent garbage that spews forth here incessantly is just okie dokie.

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False . . .


Dec 4, 2022, 3:10 PM [ in reply to Find a single post saying Dabo shouldn't be criticized. ]

The original poster isn't suggesting that anyone explicitly condemned criticism, **as such.** You'd have to be pedantic to the extreme to take his comments that way.

He is pointing out, rather, all too often, when Dabo has been criticized on this matter, the response has been to dodge the substance and accuse the critics of either lacking perspective or denying Dabo's accomplishments. This kind of purposeful conflation is tantamount to being intolerant of criticism- not because they're explicitly saying that- but because they always accuse the other side of making arguments they aren't making.

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Re: False . . .


Dec 4, 2022, 3:49 PM

So does it work the same way when someone posts a positive comment and the response we get is that we’re all cultists worshipping Dabo and he can do no wrong? Or is this just a one way street?

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There are plenty of posts here by the usual cultists


Dec 4, 2022, 3:59 PM [ in reply to Find a single post saying Dabo shouldn't be criticized. ]

reminding us that Dabo is the best thing to ever happen to Clemson football, has won two national championships, and is not to be doubted or questioned by mere fans.

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Re: There are plenty of posts here by the usual cultists


Dec 4, 2022, 4:12 PM

Nope. Don’t see that anywhere in this football thread.

Jealousy and hate are powerful aphrodisiacs for people who have few others.

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Re: There are plenty of posts here by the usual cultists


Dec 4, 2022, 4:16 PM [ in reply to There are plenty of posts here by the usual cultists ]

You just don’t know when to stop. Dabo is the best thing to ever happen to Clemson football and has won 2 championships. If you had stopped there you would be correct about what we say. As Striper said, show us one post where someone besides you or another dumper said Dabo cannot be doubted or questioned.

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Calling the Brad Cult, party of one.


Dec 4, 2022, 7:00 PM [ in reply to There are plenty of posts here by the usual cultists ]

There's no way you can be this ignorantly hypocritical, troll.

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Re: There are plenty of posts here by the usual cultists


Dec 4, 2022, 7:14 PM [ in reply to There are plenty of posts here by the usual cultists ]

Well, Judge, Dabo is the best thing that ever happened to Clemson football:

Championships

2 National (2016, 2018)
8 ACC (2011, 2015–2020, 2022)
10 ACC Atlantic Division (2009, 2011, 2012, 2015–2020, 2022)

Awards

3× Paul "Bear" Bryant Award (2015, 2016, 2018)
AFCA Coach of the Year (2015)
AP College Football Coach of the Year (2015)
Sporting News Coach of the Year (2015)
Walter Camp Coach of the Year (2015)
Home Depot Coach of the Year (2015)
George Munger Award (2015)
Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year (2011)
2× ACC Coach of the Year (2015, 2018)

Can you list another coach who has done better?

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Bro, Brad is just getting started!


Dec 4, 2022, 7:18 PM

Give him 10 more years and we'll be saying, "Dabo who"?

Ms. Keller is jealous. She'd rather the football team fails because it takes heat off of her husband.

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Re: There are plenty of posts here by the usual cultists


Dec 4, 2022, 7:29 PM [ in reply to Re: There are plenty of posts here by the usual cultists ]

Great post! I would it Post of the Season! Maybe Post of the year!

It’s amazing how quickly people forget Dabo’s accomplishments!

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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 2:53 PM

Well, this has come full circle. You are now upset at the people that are upset at the people that are upset about Dabo.

For what it's worth, I do agree with you. Absolutely nothing wrong with criticizing an obvious problem.

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Whats the "obvious problem"?


Dec 4, 2022, 7:05 PM

A week ago guys like you were saying it was all Streeters fault.

Dabo isn't above reproach, but when he says, "some people don't have a freakin clue" he was talking to guys like the OP.

To suggest anyone on this board knew better how to handle the QB situation better than Dabo is truly a riot.

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I was in the grocery store earlier today…


Dec 4, 2022, 2:53 PM

and a 5 year old clearly wanted peanut M&M’s. He wanted them so badly, he was screaming about it. The entire store could hear. I wasn’t bothered that he wanted M&Ms, I was bothered by his approach.




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Dec 4, 2022, 2:54 PM



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Re: I was in the grocery store earlier today…


Dec 4, 2022, 3:00 PM [ in reply to I was in the grocery store earlier today… ]

As long as it was a little boy, I share your opine. But those little girls are just such little angels, they deserve their M&M's.

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Re: I was in the grocery store earlier today…


Dec 4, 2022, 7:05 PM

Would have purchased the peanut M&M’s then I would have put the up in a place where my kid could see them everyday but could not get to ot at least for two or three weeks. Plus I would have given my kid chores to do until he earned the money to buy the M&M’s.

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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 2:56 PM

I did not vote that delusional into office

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Self-righteous? I'd get banned for earnestly lamenting...


Dec 4, 2022, 2:56 PM

those that have glorified their stance supported by 5% of the equation.

Which of you is the self-righteous again?

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I would TU your reply, but I'm not sure what you're


Dec 4, 2022, 3:32 PM

talking about. I'm often not sure what you're talking about. Idk if that's bc of your intelligence or my ignorance or both. I need more practice (we're talking bout practice) trying to be intelligent.

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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 2:57 PM

I was as pissed as the next guy over the Scar. Better question is why can’t you give it a rest for at least one day?

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Clemson doesn't care about basketball....as evidenced by Brown-L getting 14 years.


Why be so self-righteous about self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 2:58 PM

In this rare case it really does take one to know one. Now everyone can just let their hair down - a Trevor Lawrence-ism. LOL!

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more about the fact that no one on this board


Dec 4, 2022, 3:02 PM

knows the real story. Just like everything else these days, people make up a story based on little fact and then will die for it!

So many people ready to fire Dabo over something they know little about. Criticism is fine, but it has been the same old mob mentality on here! "Burn the witch!" "morons" is short for mob mentality

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It’s not that at all. But 1000 posts same subject is


Dec 4, 2022, 3:04 PM

enough, message board or not.

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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 3:05 PM

I wish I could kick Dabo right in the balls .
We had the team to win it all this season, DJ just brought the whole team down . Everyone seen how the team played when Cade was at QB. We would be clicking right now

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If you kicked Dabo in the balls…


Dec 4, 2022, 3:21 PM

You would have 100 big dudes feed you yours…

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Class of '87


Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 3:26 PM [ in reply to Re: Why is this board so self-righteous? ]

Fry crying out loud... let DJ punt

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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 3:30 PM [ in reply to Re: Why is this board so self-righteous? ]

I think this plays into some if it. We did not have the team to win it all this season. Is it possible it might have happened? Yes. Was it likely? No. This team still has some issues in the secondary. The defensive line doesn't always show up. The offense line is just like it's always been. You don't have a game breaker receiver. That makes for tough matchups with Michigan and Georgia.

I remember prior to 2020, that a lot of fans were saying it was the best team in program history. It ended up being blown out in the Sugar Bowl. I think the 2020 squad ward better than thus team.

The point being, I think some people are upset because they overestimate how goid this team actually is, even with Klubnik playing.

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Lol. Tom Brady couldn't have tackled ND that night.


Dec 4, 2022, 7:10 PM [ in reply to Re: Why is this board so self-righteous? ]

Improved QB play certainly helps, but we weren't winning a national championship this year.

Again, it's utterly asinine to suggest Dabo didn't know precisely what he was doing with the situation. He's shown now 3x, when the backup QB is ready to take over, then he will.

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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 7:24 PM [ in reply to Re: Why is this board so self-righteous? ]

You can’t judge Cade on 1 game. He did throw an interception in the ND game and he did d look lost. You must have selective memory. Remember the dropped passes, incorrect Roy yes ran, lack of blocking by the OL. The Defense played terrible against ND. Questionable coaching decisions. For example against coots if we had kicked FG instead of going for it on 4th down we win game by 2 pts. In coot game DB’s got smoked twice for TD’s.
Defense allied TD on 4 down.

It was a team loss!

Why don’t you cough up approximately $30 for an annual membership. ???

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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 3:11 PM


Everyone here is appreciative of what Swinney has done for the program. But why does it bother you to point out the obvious fact that Swinney threw away a playoff appearance for DJU?

Does past success prevent you from being criticized?



This post screams needy and desperation. Seems you need Clemson football success to validate yourself and when the team is not perfect you need your preferred narrative to be universally accepted in order to exhibit some semblance of control. I would debunk your myth but since you seem desperate for validation I will simply say good luck basing your worth on the results of college football!

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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 3:11 PM


Everyone here is appreciative of what Swinney has done for the program. But why does it bother you to point out the obvious fact that Swinney threw away a playoff appearance for DJU?

Does past success prevent you from being criticized?



This post screams needy and desperation. Seems you need Clemson football success to validate yourself and when the team is not perfect you need your preferred narrative to be universally accepted in order to exhibit some semblance of control. I would debunk your myth but since you seem desperate for validation I will simply say good luck basing your worth on the results of college football!

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Reality check.


Dec 4, 2022, 3:35 PM

Some fans are never satisfied.

I skim other teams boards just to see how they are reacting to current events of their teams. I've learned that "keyboard commandos" are on every board. And, the more successful a team is, the more irate the fans are.

A few examples:

1. Ohio State board after losing to Michigan. The general sentiment was, "He's lost to Michigan two years in a row. If he can't beat them next year it's time for him to move on."

2. Bama board after losing to LSU. General sentiment, "It's time for Nick to retire. The game has passed him by. We'll never get to Atlanta again, much less win a national championship."

3. SC board after losing to Vandy. "We made a mistake. We hired a cheerleader, not a coach. Time to move on."

4. FSU board after losing 3 in a row. "Norvell can't recruit. His coaching staff stinks. Who can we get to replace him?"

I'm sure LSU fans are complaining about Kelly. I know ND fans were complaining about Freeman early in the season.

There are a segment of fans at every school who are never satisfied and they like to let people know it. Those fans gravitate to message boards.

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Re: Reality check.


Dec 4, 2022, 3:38 PM

This is the what I'm talking about right here.

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95% of the posters on this board have done little


Dec 4, 2022, 3:37 PM

but criticize Dabo since the game ended last night.

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Dec 4, 2022, 3:49 PM



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Because it is anonymous***


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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 4:11 PM

If anyone on TNet feels losing to the Coots was acceptable with there being an opportunity to win watching from the sideline, then they should step up and let us all know why it was acceptable to not try everything to beat them.

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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 6:37 PM

LosTigres17 have you ever been a Head football coach? If so what level and where? Where did you get your information that Dabo wasted a season because of DJ. It’s seems like everything negative that happened with Clemson football over the last 2 year’s is going to be blamed on DJ. It’s pretty #### said so many Clemson fan’s became hateful spiteful people because of one player! I made some negative comments too but I am very sorry for letting my emotions control my thoughts.

DJ did not cost us a chance at a spot in CFP’s. It was a team effort. There were many mistakes due the ND and SC game that were made by the Coaching Staff and the players. On any given day teams can have a bad game. The problem is everyone wants a scapegoats who happen to be DJ, Streeter and Wes Goodwin, Tyler Grisham the WR’s coach and the fact the Brent Venables left for OU. By the way OU’s defense was average this year.

Fan’s want to blame somebody. This year it seams IMO teams we played were much better the last 2 years. Many of them are or were ranked at the time we played them. Some finished ranked in the last polls.

If you compare our schedule to OSU’s schedule with our schedule many of the other teams we played were initially ranked in the top 25 teams. Teams in the CFP final poll last year ended up with 1 or 2 losses. Bama lost 2 games. I don’t know if UGA is cheating but they quickly became a football machine over the last 2 year’s. Prior to the last 2 years UGA could not finish in the top 4 except for the 1 NC game they gave to Bama. This year has been a crazy year for college football. Bama, Clemson, OSU and LSU all CFP teams in the last 8 years will mostly likely be on the outside looking in. The only team that may get in is OSU. If they get in it will be an early Christmas gift which they don’t deserve. Michigan kicked OSU’s butt 2 consecutive year’s. If you look at the rest of OSU’s schedule it’s average schedule at best. If Ryan Day loses to Michigan next year he could be out as OSU’s HC. Because winning is the most important factor for the OSU fan base. I would not be surprised if Urban Meyer was not waiting for Ryan Day to be fired so he can step back into the HCing job at OSU.

Except for a few incidents which include Danny Ford’s departure, The embarrassing incident involving Ken Hatfield’s departure (never had a chance at Clemson) and Tommy Bowden’s departure, I have always felt Clemson was the best fans in college football. Fans that are a cut above all college programs.

But the last 2 years I feel we have as a fan base allowed ourselves to stup to the level of fans from such schools as SC, Auburn, LSU, and a few ACC teams. I love Clemson and have been a diehard fan since I was a kid. Win or lose my dedication as a fan never wavered. One reason is I have always felt our fan base was very special. Also, many of my family are Clemson graduates. I have als been a Braves fan even when they could not draw more than 5000 to 10000 fans.

I hope Clemson fans can find their way back to that level of being a unique special fan base. Win or lose I would like to to see that Clemson Family atmosphere again and that culture which was a big reason some of the best recruits such as Terry Allen, The fridge, Steve Fuller, CJ Spiller, DW, TL, Wayne Gallman, ETN, Mike Williams, Tee Higgins, The Power Rangers, Hunter Renfrow and many other Elite athletes. Kids that wanted to play for Clemson because we were different from other programs. Our positive fan base, Dabo’s energy and our unique culture are some of the reasons recruits wanted that Special Clemson offer.

Now it’s becoming more competitive recruiting top players is because of NIL, the transfer portal and social media. And I am sure more cheating made easier by NIL and the pathetic NCAA’s leadership and enforcement of rules. With 12 consecutive successful years I don’t remember so much negative and spiteful post on Social Media as I have seen in the last 2 years. I consider the last 2 years as being successful with 10 or more wins, 2 NC’s 7 or 8 consecutive ACC Championships, 7 consecutive wins out of 8 years over the coots and great BG wins how can fans be dissatisfied??

I believe the change at Clemson over the last 2 years has negatively affected our ability to recruit top talent. These recruits are smart so are their families. They are able to read and see the fracture among the Clemson fan base. I am certain they read all of the negative post about specific coaches and players and how unhappy many fans are with the adversity Clemson is currently going through. They can read how week after week certain coaches and players are being blamed for the teams adversity even though we are 11-2 and just throttled NC to win the ACC Championship. NC supposedly has one of the best QB’s in college football. But they were only able to put up 10 points.

I hope so many of the negative spiteful post will stop and fan’s will stop blaming DJ even though we are 11-2 with the possibility of finishing 12-2. I honestly believe worked extra hard and DJ gave his Clemson his heart and best efforts. I bet no one feels as bad as DJ for his play at times. These are memories he may carry with him for a lifetime. That’s a heavy burden to carry to know some of your play let down the coaches, his teammates and the fans. I hope not but I believe DJ will remember all of the spiteful hateful comments directed to him. Those are bad memories to associate with one’s time in college which should be filled with great memories.

I hope if this is DJ’s last season at Clemson. Fan’s will show their appreciation for DJ’s hard work, his efforts and dedication to Clemson football. Try to realize DJ did work his butt off to improve. Don’t for get the dropped passes and RB fumbles either.

I hope he will receive many positive positive comments on social media and post of thanks for doing his best to fill the big shoes on Trevor Lawrence and Deshawn Watson. And a Thank You for choosing Clemson. He felt Clemson was a special place to move from California to SC.

Thank you DJ for being a man of integrity, honesty and a man of Character through the adversity and success you experienced over the last 2 years. I hope you will return to Clemson for your final season.

If you decide to move on you will be missed. You are in the prayers of many and may God Bless your future endeavors with much success. Remember “ Once a Tiger always a Tiger “

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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


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Is it self-righteous to think you're a knuckle-dragging


Dec 4, 2022, 6:58 PM

monkey? What kind of dumbasss would suggest Dabo threw the playoffs because he coached as he always does?

Criticize Dabo anyone you want. Don't worry about looking like an idiot.

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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 7:26 PM

Because it's 2022 and we're overrun by narcissistic millennials.

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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 7:31 PM

I guess we have no right to question our coaches judgment on here about anything …..last night proved even our coaches can be wrong sometimes!

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Re: Why is this board so self-righteous?


Dec 4, 2022, 7:33 PM

People in general are self righteous.

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