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Since 2017-2018, Clemson basketball is 5th in the ACC
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in conference winning percentage:
1. Virginia 88-25 (.779)
2. Duke 81-33 (.711)
3. North Carolina 69-43 (.616)
4. Florida State 55-45 (.595)
5. Clemson 61-51 (.545)
6. Virginia Tech 57-52 (.523)
7. Syracuse 56-56 (.500)
8. Miami 56-59 (.487)
9. NC State 55-58 (.487)
10. Louisville 50-59 (.459)
11. Notre Dame 46-68 (.404)
12. Georgia Tech 45-68 (.398)
13. Wake Forest 40-74 (.351)
14. Boston College 36-73 (.330)
15. Pittsburgh 35-77 (.313)
This puts us in the top third of the ACC.
Amazingly, we don't spend anywhere close to top 5 in the ACC on our basketball program. We don't pay Brad Brownell a top 5 ACC salary. We do not rank anywhere close to the top 5 in the ACC in basketball attendance.
In other words, Brad is overachieving based on several metrics. It's time that some of you recognize and acknowledge this. We are a good program, one that wins on the court and also one that produces model student-athletes who are good members of the community.
Do we want to win more? Of course! But failing to recognize what we've accomplished recently is a huge mistake - one that any true Clemson basketball fan shouldn't make.
Go Tigers! Beat the 'Hoos!
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Re: Since 2017-2018, Clemson basketball is 5th in the ACC
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Mar 10, 2023, 12:01 PM
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There's poster on a different Clemson fan site that posts the same stuff you do over and over. Clemson doesn't fund basketball, bashes Dabo, Brad this and Brad that, yada yada yada.
He claims he isn't you but in the same statement he says you went to school with Crump. Is it true you went to school with Crump?
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If she went to school with Crump, that would explain why she's allowed
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Mar 10, 2023, 1:31 PM
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to troll the website on a daily basis.
Trolls come and go, but Ms. Keller has been given free reign to run roughshod over the site's rules.
Crump and Ms. Keller are friends?! That explains a lot.
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Sounds good JK but..
Mar 10, 2023, 12:04 PM
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being at #1 in the ACC just one year out of the last 20 years..
rather than once about 25 or more years ago, would be a goal to reach, don't you think..
and maybe this week will be a start!
Go TiGERS..Hoop the Ball!
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Re: Since 2017-2018, Clemson basketball is 5th in the ACC
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Mar 10, 2023, 12:09 PM
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No one said he doesn’t win ACC games. I think it’s the what 1 ncaa tourney appearance In that time period. While UVA has a national title, duke went to the final 4 last year, Unc went to national title. Cuse has made it to multiple sweet 16s and Miami has a elite 8 appearance. It’s about post season play if you haven’t gotten that point by now. Let’s see what this team can do in the tourney for his what 3rd appearance in 12 years. After this season BB will be much more loved if he can make a little run in this tourney.
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Two NCAA Tournaments since then.
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Mar 10, 2023, 12:21 PM
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This year will make 3 out of the last 5.
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Is ONE top-40 finish acceptable to you?
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Mar 10, 2023, 1:34 PM
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Considering Brad is (gladly) collecting the nation's 38th highest salary, then we DEMAND more than two top-40 finishes in 13 years.
Please stop trying desperately to skew the true reality of "underachieving". Thanks.
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So, you think Brad Brownell is witholding his best coaching
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unless and until we pay him more money, if I read your comments correctly. That doesn't say anything good about his work ethic, if he isn't ALREADY giving it his best.
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No, that’s not my point at all.
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Mar 10, 2023, 12:23 PM
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My point is that we are doing better than we should be based on a number of factors.
People saying that he’s underachieving are clueless. The facts state that he is overachieving.
I have no doubt that he puts forth his best effort. He loves Clemson and wants big things for our program. That doesn’t get said nearly enough.
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That's compete bull ####.
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Mar 10, 2023, 1:37 PM
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We've averaged a 76th NET finish over 13 years. There are 75 programs, tons with less than us, who are performing better.
Do you really lack simple perspective, or do you choose to act like it doesn't exist?
76th is the biggest measure of all. Paints the picture accurately, unlike these completely meaningless numbers you hang your shaw on.
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Re: Since 2017-2018, Clemson basketball
Mar 10, 2023, 12:16 PM
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Since 2017-2018 Clemson basketball has won 2 NCAA tournament games. Clemson basketball hasn't won a NCAA tournament game in 5 years.
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Tbh this is a pretty convincing argument
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Mar 10, 2023, 12:21 PM
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One thing that helps Brownell is that he never has truly bad seasons. It could certainly be worse for our program
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Re: Tbh this is a pretty convincing argument
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Mar 10, 2023, 12:23 PM
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Just like Bowden …
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No, not just like Bowden.
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Mar 10, 2023, 12:26 PM
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Bowden coached at a football school with resources and support that most ACC schools didn’t have.
Bowden had many advantages, where as Brownell has many disadvantages.
The two situations and coaches couldn’t be more different.
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Re: Yes
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Mar 10, 2023, 12:34 PM
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Look, awesome win last night over Pack. No denying. Always a good thing. But to say we haven’t invested significantly in a fully renovated LJ similar to what we did to DV when TB was here is false.
Go Tigers, Beat the Cavs!
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CU Guru [1487]
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Exactly. Her argument is BS.
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Mar 10, 2023, 1:47 PM
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She's delusional.
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Re: No, not just like Bowden.
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Mar 10, 2023, 12:36 PM
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More lies. For much of Bowden's tenure Clemson was at or near the bottom in the ACC in football and that's a fact. Bowden would actually avoid taking our recruits to the locker room because he knew what our competition had shown them on other visits.
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Wrong
Mar 10, 2023, 1:04 PM
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Both coaches' last names started with the same letter... so they *COULD* be more different if that weren't true.
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Bowden could take the basketball program and do better
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than an average finish of 76th.
Brad has had EVERYTHING he needs to be successful. Weakly trying to blame his failures on a lack of anything other than coaching, that's nonsense. He has had EVERYTHING he needs to be better than 76th. 75 programs have done better than Brad over the last dozen years, and a multitude of them have done so with far less than us.
Simple facts. Try them on for size.
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Re: Tbh this is a pretty convincing argument
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And historically, we’ve had some BAD seasons. Some truly shyatty seasons.
You’re right, he has kept us away from the truly worst of the conference. Maybe that’s the problem, we always feel like we are close.
Anyway, here’s hoping for the best for our Tigers and Coach B tonight against those dastardly Hoos.
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No not really.
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Mar 10, 2023, 1:41 PM
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She can't put that stuff out there without weighing in the fact we have two top-40 finishes in 12 years, with an average net of 76th.
Put her numbers on one side of the scale and the above numbers on the other side. To which side does the scale tip?
Look, I like Brad. I wish he could be as successful as his salary level and bring us out of the hole he created. He needs to lift us up closer to his annual salary rank of 38th. Period. 76th aint getting it done, and anything else is meaningless.
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Re: Since 2017-2018, Clemson basketball is 5th in the ACC
Mar 10, 2023, 12:29 PM
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Are you saying you like CBB? I’m not good with subtlety.
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Why is there such a disparity in games played
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Mar 10, 2023, 12:30 PM
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Look like most teams are about 112 games
Fl State at 100 games played
More pointedly, why aren’t all the games played the same if it’s conference play?
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Re: Since 2017-2018, Clemson basketball is 5th in the ACC
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in conference winning percentage:
1. Virginia 88-25 (.779)
2. Duke 81-33 (.711)
3. North Carolina 69-43 (.616)
4. Florida State 55-45 (.595)
5. Clemson 61-51 (.545)
6. Virginia Tech 57-52 (.523)
7. Syracuse 56-56 (.500)
8. Miami 56-59 (.487)
9. NC State 55-58 (.487)
10. Louisville 50-59 (.459)
11. Notre Dame 46-68 (.404)
12. Georgia Tech 45-68 (.398)
13. Wake Forest 40-74 (.351)
14. Boston College 36-73 (.330)
15. Pittsburgh 35-77 (.313)
This puts us in the top third of the ACC.
Amazingly, we don't spend anywhere close to top 5 in the ACC on our basketball program. We don't pay Brad Brownell a top 5 ACC salary. We do not rank anywhere close to the top 5 in the ACC in basketball attendance.
In other words, Brad is overachieving based on several metrics. It's time that some of you recognize and acknowledge this. We are a good program, one that wins on the court and also one that produces model student-athletes who are good members of the community.
Do we want to win more? Of course! But failing to recognize what we've accomplished recently is a huge mistake - one that any true Clemson basketball fan shouldn't make.
Go Tigers! Beat the 'Hoos!
"Since 2017-2018"...
Now do the previous years....
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And over that span of greatness, Clemson has had one top
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25 finish, at 15 in 2018.
So, you're right, in a relative way, Brownell has done a decent job over the last 5 years. I mean, not spectacular, by any means, or by any measure, but good. Objectively, the ACC has been down over that period and we still can't sustain a high level of success.
Again, it's all about expectations.
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Re: And over that span of greatness, Clemson has had one top
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That the 5th best team hasn’t finished ranked since 2018 says volumes about the ACC.
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Re: And over that span of greatness, Clemson has had one top
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I think you mean "has not", but yes.
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NCAA or bust***
Mar 10, 2023, 12:42 PM
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Why are you starting from the one really good year Brad had
Mar 10, 2023, 12:45 PM
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and ignoring the first 7 years?
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Re: Why are you starting from the one really good year Brad had
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Probably because any rational thinker understands the recent 5 years are far more important in determining BB’s future at Clemson than the previous 7 years.
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So we had to give him 7 years before using the last 5
Mar 10, 2023, 1:22 PM
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to determine if we should keep him?
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Re: Why are you starting from the one really good year Brad had
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Probably because any rational thinker understands the recent 5 years are far more important in determining BB’s future at Clemson than the previous 7 years.
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Yet over that same 6 year span, only two NCAAT appearances..
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Mar 10, 2023, 1:23 PM
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and maybe one top 40 finish.
Maybe it's just me, but that is not how I would define overachieving.
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Correct. In that span, ONE top-40 finish.
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Mar 10, 2023, 5:48 PM
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That trumps her numbers. She wants to directly base her "overachiever" BS on overall money coming into each program, as if that's ever been the way to measure programs.
It's wins and losses in conjunction with how you're doing relative to the rest of the country.
As I've said ad nauseum, there are 75 teams who have done better than us in the previous dozen years. We are NOT the 76th program in terms of support..NOT EVEN CLOSE.
Her "argument" fails on several levels, but the above 76 is the leading statistic.
Oh, and in addition to that one top-40 finish during those 6 years? The other top-40 finish was in Brad's first year, where OPs players carried the team.
I'll say it again - I think Brad is an awesome dude and wish he could be successful here. But nothing in his resume supports bringing him back, unless we make the big dance. He has EVERYTHING he needs.
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Re: Since 2017-2018, Clemson basketball is 5th in the ACC
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Please show me where we don't spend money on the basketball program. Do you have facts to back this up? Of course UNC, UL, and Duke spend more but the other schools I don't believe they spend more on their programs then we do.
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I’ve shown what ACC schools spend on men’s basketball.
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Multiple times.
I never said that we don’t spend money on our program. We do. We just spend less than almost everyone else.
Many ACC schools spend millions more each year on men’s basketball than we do.
I know it’s hard for some of you to accept, but it’s true.
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That's cool, but ONE top 40 finish in that time.
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Mar 10, 2023, 1:28 PM
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Perspective is good.
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Punxsutawney Brad comes out of hibernation every 3-4 years
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And does just enough to save his job.
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If there's this huge correlation between money spend, attendance,
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and winning, please explain Louisville.
Thanks in advance.
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The Papa Johns guy got the axe?***
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Re: Since 2017-2018, Clemson basketball is 5th in the ACC
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So giving Brad more money means he gets better 🥱
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No, but giving the PROGRAM more money certainly increases our chances of winning more.
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Mar 10, 2023, 7:32 PM
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He has been a very good steward of the (low amount of) money we’ve given the program. He’s earned a greater investment from the administration.
Neff recognizes this. His infamous letter before the season stated this clearly.
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Since 2017-2018, Clemson basketball has a 76th average
Mar 10, 2023, 5:58 PM
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season end ranking while Brad has been the 38th highest paid coach. This year, with his most talented and experienced roster, we are currently sitting at 51st and aiming for Brad's first ever 2nd ACCT win, which we are all pulling for. Hopefully tomorrow we will be in the 40's and on our way to the NCAA's.
Go Tigers!
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Where do we rank if you start from 2010-11?***
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Re: Where do we rank if you start from 2010-11?***
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Will you please let the man spin it to his advantage 
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Re: Since 2017-2018, Clemson basketball is 5th in the ACC
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Still .545 sounds much like the coots in football. Truthfully
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