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Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 1:08 PM
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We got dominated on the road by notre dame. Was it a terrible game? Yes. Was the play calling pretty bad? Yes.
Dabo brought us from an inconsistent team that recruited well, but underperformed, to a consistent team that has dominated the acc and nationally For the last 10 years. We are recruiting at an elite level.
Did Dabo make mistakes with the coordinator hires? Maybe. I do know that prior to the last couple games, we had a top 25 offense with DJ at the helm. DJ is a really bad QB. He can make all of the throws, but his decision making, pocket presence, and read progression are about as bad as I've seen.
At the end of the day, we just won the division and will likely win the ACC. Last year we finished #13 on a down year. This year we will likely win the ACC on a down year. That's not too bad to have these accomplishments on down years.
Try not to be such dramatic babies.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 1:19 PM
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Yes, some fans are crazy. Clemson is a top 10 program. For once I agree with you.
Wish they were just a 1/4 of this in basketball consistently.
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While there may be a few haters here and there
Nov 6, 2022, 1:22 PM
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1) I think many are trolls (lets not forget that)
2) It's easy to hate in the heat of emotions.
3) Some subjective criticism shouldn't be confused with hate.
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Exactly. They act like little girls***
Nov 6, 2022, 2:18 PM
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Maybe, but OBJECTIVE criticism is always preferred over
Nov 6, 2022, 2:50 PM
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the subjective feelings of some of these poor saps. You do understand the difference, right?
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Re: Maybe, but OBJECTIVE criticism is always preferred over
Nov 6, 2022, 10:15 PM
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You know subjective criticism can be based on an opinion? And that this is message board?
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 1:23 PM
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We don't need no stinking down years.
And no one here hates Dabo or any player on the team.
Drama is not pointing out how bad we have become in the last two years. Beating ACC weak teams and some cupcakes have covered up the weakness.
Fans and supporters have every right to complain when the team is starting to regress and 10 million dollar a year coaches get paid to keep elevating the team, not letting it start to fail.
Those who are paid to do a job, will always be asked, "What have you done for me lately?" and if the answer is, "well, not as good as I used to do". Then the response to that should be, "well, why not? And I expect you to fix it or I will get someone who can fix it." That's how the real world operates.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:06 PM
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There is not a team inncollege football that doesn't have down years. All it takes is a miss or 2 on a couple recruits.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 3:58 PM
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We have missed on a lot more than a couple players. I think that’s the root of all these issues.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:06 PM
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Agree. it is how fans with high expectations operate.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:20 PM
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And when a coach is being paid $100mm + the fans have every right to question him when the product on the field is horrible. And it has been for nearly all of the season (excluding the NCSU game).
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:31 PM
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Everyone has the right to question him. The product on the field is not horrible. We are 7-1. Every team in the ACC is jealous of our record.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:32 PM
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UNC isn’t jealous.
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My word, are you on your period?***
Nov 6, 2022, 2:39 PM
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Fight, fight, fight, fight***
Nov 6, 2022, 2:58 PM
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 10:59 PM
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Among the ACC, SEC and Big 12 some of the most common records are 6-3 (thirteen teams) and 3-6 (five teams). I'm pretty sure all 18 of those would like to have our horrible 8-1 record.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 10:25 PM
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Here’s another way the real world operates. I don’t care who you are or what you do, NO ONE wins all the time. Not in football, not in business, not in life. That’s real life.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 1:23 PM
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Probably because Dabo created this mess just like he created the positive things that allowed him to win the national championship twice.
His hires from within the program for the coordinator roles are proving to be disastrous and this is not about just one game.
This is about a bunch of games from the end of the 2020 season when we got blasted by Ohio State in New Orleans and looked completely inept and helpless.
You need to focus on more than just the last couple of games.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:08 PM
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So are you saying that BV(now head coach at Oklahoma) and TE (now head coach at UVA)
Forgot how to coach their last couple years?
Are you saying that UVA and Oklahoma made huge mistakes in their hires, and they could have easily seen that they aren't good coaches from watching tape?
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:16 PM
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Time will tell on both of those hires (Elliott and Venables by UVA and OU). Both are certainly not looking like home run hires right now.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:18 PM
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OU didn’t have to hire a guy who has never been a head coach. That’s where their program was at.
UVA on the other hand likely couldn’t do better than Elliott. That’s where their program was at.
But what does your question have to do with what I said?
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:18 PM
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OU didn’t have to hire a guy who has never been a head coach. That’s where their program was at.
UVA on the other hand likely couldn’t do better than Elliott. That’s where their program was at.
But what does your question have to do with what I said?
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:34 PM
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It was in response to your statement below
"This is about a bunch of games from the end of the 2020 season when we got blasted by Ohio State in New Orleans and looked completely inept and helpless."
So you are saying that these issues started at the end of the 2020 season. So if it's a coaching issue, then you are saying that TE and BV turned into ###### coaches
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The dude is lost. He's all red-eyed in his emotions, and obviously
Nov 6, 2022, 2:42 PM
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doesn't truly understand the game
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:24 PM
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BVs defense was still pretty stout his last couple of years. The problem was he got no help from the floundering offense.
Elliott was a big part of our offensive struggles (in addition to DJ stinking it up in 2021).
Or maybe it was Dabo calling the plays all of last year?
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So you're still clinging to an ignorant fantasy there are magic plays
Nov 6, 2022, 2:30 PM
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who fix a broken QB?
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Re: So you're still clinging to an ignorant fantasy there are magic plays
Nov 6, 2022, 2:32 PM
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Who brought that broken quarterback into the program in the first place?
It’s not an ignorant fantasy. It called reality and some of people are not in touch with reality.
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Yup. You're ignorant.
Nov 6, 2022, 2:38 PM
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DJ broke records in high-school and as a freshman at Clemson. He had trouble handling the mental load of a family divorce, got out of shape, and completely lost confidence in 2021. While he'll never be Trevor or Deshaun, he was doing better mentally and led us to an undefeated season this year until last night. It was obvious, starting near the end of FSU and certainly Syracuse, he's in his own head again. He has a team psychologist, but his issues are a struggle.
Some of you emotional young ladies wouldn't understand reality if it smacked you in the face.
Do you understand how much is still on the table this year? I'm assuming you've jumped ship and won't be coming back?
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Not so fast
Nov 6, 2022, 2:46 PM
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Listen, I have sympathy for the young man. But he is fragile. I have been through a divorce and to be honest those years were the best time in my career professionally and financially. Put my head down, and worked my ### off. I’ll take a bit of that as an excuse, but he is not what anyone had hoped or thought he was.
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Yeah, life goes on. Harder for young people though.
Nov 6, 2022, 2:59 PM
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Not an excuse. If he's unable to conquer his demons, he'll never be able to succeed. It was a valid "excuse" last year, but I don't know of he'll ever get the swagger back that we saw in 2020, and if he can't then he's done as our QB.
I fully agree - he lost his 2020 swagger, and he's simply not playing like we hoped. I was simply trying to correct the young lady who suggested we recruited a broken QB. That was an ignorant thing to suggest, and it clearly shows she doesn't really get the big picture in the midst of her emotional ranting.
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Re: Yeah, life goes on. Harder for young people though.
Nov 6, 2022, 3:05 PM
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You’re a sexist pig.
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So you are a teenage girl?
Nov 6, 2022, 3:24 PM
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No offense, young lady. Maybe you'd be better off spending your day on tik-tok? Just trying to help.
I have nothing against teenage girls liking Clemson football, but it's pretty difficult dealing with teenage girl emotions over losing a game.
Still working on the "mess" essay? Remember, objective football critiques require that one has an understanding of the game and what they're seeing. Your emotions are all over the place and hard to follow... I have two teenage daughters, so I get it. No hard feelings, young lady.
Sincerely,
Sexist Pig
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Re: So you're still clinging to an ignorant fantasy there are magic plays
Nov 6, 2022, 2:34 PM
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And Dabo is too stubborn to go to the transfer portal to get a solution that works in the mean team. He has that option but has chosen not to use it so it’s completely on him.
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I'm still waiting on you to define "mess", and ah yes, the magic portal along with magic playcalls.
Nov 6, 2022, 2:47 PM
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It's all anyone needs to never lose a game. I can't understand why we haven't won every national championship since our first one.
As far as the portal, who would we replace?
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 3:00 PM
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Don't ask us; ask the UVA and OK fans how they are feeling about their hires right now. If you think about it, there is a parallel. Neither has ever been a head coach so they come into their roles with a similar lack of experience for such high responsibilities. I'm telling you experience matters and probably more than we even realized.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 4:53 PM
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The jury is still out on the hires.
It doesn't change the fact that BV was a great DC at Clemson.
It doesn't change the fact that TE performed well enough as a coach to field multiple interviews and HC offers.
You are stupid.
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Re: What mess??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:21 PM
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You clearly are not watching Clemson games or you don’t understand football if you can’t see the “mess” we’re in right now.
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Re: What mess??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:24 PM
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Are we a team that could win the national championship? No.
Do we have issues on both offense and defense? Yes
Are we 7-1, already have the division locked up, and likely will win the ACC? Yes.
Again, if that is considered a mess, then we are incredibly spoiled as a fan base. It sucks that we likely won't go to the playoff.
It's great that we have come so far as a program, we are considered a "mess" if we are not a sure fire playoff team.
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Re: What mess??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:30 PM
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The ACC is a hot mess. Three ranked teams this week. And we’ve beaten one of them.
The way we’re playing now it’s highly likely we lose 2 of our next four games. So we’ll finish 10-3 again against a weak schedule.
Is that what a coach that’s paid at the second highest level in all of college football should be producing against our schedule? No. Absolutely not.
That’s what I refer to as a mess.
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Re: What mess??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:30 PM
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The ACC is a hot mess. Three ranked teams this week. And we’ve beaten one of them.
The way we’re playing now it’s highly likely we lose 2 of our next four games. So we’ll finish 10-3 again against a weak schedule.
Is that what a coach that’s paid at the second highest level in all of college football should be producing against our schedule? No. Absolutely not.
That’s what I refer to as a mess.
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So you're theoretical "mess" is only
Nov 6, 2022, 3:27 PM
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valid if we lose 2 of 4? So technically we're not in a mess, but you're saying by seasons end it will be officially messy?
I'll bet you your favorite Barbie we don't lose 2 of 4.
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Criggets
Nov 6, 2022, 7:41 PM
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Instead of asking you to wager your favorite Barbie, are you okay if I just call you Barbie? There's nothing wrong with that either. Lots of young girls would love to be called Barbie.
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I'm asking you to define the "mess".***
Nov 6, 2022, 2:24 PM
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Re: I'm asking you to define the "mess".***
Nov 6, 2022, 3:03 PM
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Mess defined:
Losing to a team that is less talented:
2022 - Notre Dame (others to come)
2021 - NC State and Pitt
Playing close “escape” games against teams that are less talented:
2022 - Syracuse, wake forest and Florida State
2021 - Louisville, BC, Florida State
Are you to tell me any of those teams were are more talented than Clemson?
Does that make it clear to you or do you need a picture drawn?
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So finishing 10-3 from 4-3, winning a bowl game and finishing #14,
Nov 6, 2022, 3:38 PM
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is a "mess"?
And you said we're a mess right now but then tried to qualify it by thinking we're going to lose 2 of the next 4.
You seem confused. I hope that doesn't hurt your feelings, but I'm trying to help you here.
Every single team goal is still on the table. What a horrible mess! Lol.
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Re: I'm asking you to define the "mess".***
Nov 6, 2022, 4:57 PM
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We are in a mess if we lose to any team that is less talented than us?
Lmao! So I guess our team was a mess in 2016 when we lost to Syracuse and ended up winning the natty. Ha about the next year when we lost to Pitt and made the championship game?
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Exactly, the ignorance is rich with her.***
Nov 6, 2022, 7:37 PM
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 1:24 PM
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That's two down years in a row.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:11 PM
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Yep, it's unfortunate. Most teams would consider these great years!
But again, that's what happens when you miss on some recruits? Especially QBs.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:26 PM
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And whose fault is it missing on recruits?
Maybe….the coaching staff??? Dabo????
But it can’t be their fault according to some of you guys…
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:39 PM
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You could say that is the coaches fault.
However, every coach has recruiting misses. I bet you were super excited when dj commited
You do realize he had over 30 offers from every big time program in the country. I guess everyone missed on their evaluation.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:55 PM
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We seem to miss on our evaluations a lot more than others.
And who is that on? Dabo? The coaching staff?
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 4:58 PM
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Instead of just a blamket statement, let's hear specifics! What % of Dabo recruits are considered busts compared to other coaches? Let's hear it!
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 3:07 PM
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I agree with you on DJ. He and Bryce were the two hottest QBs in the country coming out of HS and EVERYONE wanted them. But, that also begs the question of how you take a talent like that and don't develop him to his full potential. Is that really on him or is that mostly on our coaches?
And a bigger concern is if you are a top QB prospect going forward, is Clemson really the place now where you think they will be the best to get you ready for the NFL?
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 3:35 PM
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It's not "missing" on recruits so much. It's that other teams have adjusted their recruiting strategies after what Clemson has done over the last several years. Now the coaches have to figure out how to respond to these adjustments. The next two incoming classes look like they might have found that fix.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:26 PM
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And whose fault is it missing on recruits?
Maybe….the coaching staff??? Dabo????
But it can’t be their fault according to some of you guys…
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So we're supposed to win national championships
Nov 6, 2022, 2:23 PM
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every year? Are you a new Clemson "fan"?
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Re: So we're supposed to win national championships
Nov 6, 2022, 2:38 PM
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Season ticket holder every year since 1993.
So I’ve Seen some bad football.
And I never said we should win a national championship every year. Where did you get that?
What I do expect is when you have a coaching staff that is paid so well and an AD that runs itself like it’s a multi million dollar business that you don’t have the train wreck we’ve been the last two years.
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What mess?
Nov 6, 2022, 3:06 PM
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We're 8-1 and have every single team goal on the table this year.
Seriously, are you menstruating?
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Re: What mess?
Nov 6, 2022, 3:07 PM
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Again youre a sexist pig. You probably beat your wife and live in a trailer park.
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That’s being kind***
Nov 6, 2022, 3:16 PM
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Awww, you're upset because you're not making sense??
Nov 6, 2022, 7:35 PM
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And that's my fault now? I called you a woman because you're acting all emotional and whatnot, and it turns put you are a woman? So why is it a bad thing to refer to you as your actual gender? And yeah, pulling the old, "you live in a trailer and beat your wife" attempt at an insult is like something she teenager would say.
So I was right then? A teenage girl? Like I said, I have two teenage girls, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Sorry I've hurt your feelings, Ma'am, but maybe you should try to look at the big picture before going off on these ignorant (lack of knowledge), emotional rants?
The big picture says we can still achieve every single team goal we set forth at the beginning of the year. Not good enough for you, huh? You said we're "very likely" to lose 2 of the next 4, so put your Barbie where your mouth is. If you'd rather not lose your favorite Barbie, how about we go $100? If you're so positive your negative, "lose 2 of 4" outlook is going to come to fruition, then you won't have any trouble with this small wager. Right?
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and its been a slow decline since
Nov 6, 2022, 2:28 PM
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2019 ..but because dabo won two titles you arent supposed to question how the offense has been in a steady regression for the past 4 or so years
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 1:30 PM
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Are you a former teammate, player, childhood friend or relative looking for a job? ?
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:02 PM
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Good one
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 1:33 PM
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“We are recruiting at an elite level.”
On paper, yes, elite.
2019-2022 who have we developed? The pipeline is dry. No longer are we seeing underclassmen being able to step up, fill the shoes of players who’ve graduated or have moved out of the program.
There was a small window of time where we knew the next man up was going to be even better due to development.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 1:38 PM
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Who the hell is hating on Dabo ?? I mean if you see comments or posts legit doing that they are prob not real Clemson fans bc even after last night which was SUPER disappointing, no one is hating on Dabo … I think a lot of people are questioning some of his decisions which IMO after the last couple years is very much warranted especially the coaching hires … when we were on top of college football and literally could have hired anyone we wanted , that’s the issue some ppl have and that’s by now means “hating on Dabo” … i hate some of the hires I really do and it’s set us back big time but the man is a legend and will always be in Clemson ! I’d feel the same if we went 6-6 the next 10’years but doesn’t make him invisible to criticism when it’s def warranted
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 1:44 PM
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Don’t ever question the HBC - immediately makes you a coot and not a real fan
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Yes, that’s the Clemson Football Cult.***
Nov 6, 2022, 2:06 PM
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It’s NOT the Clemson Football Cult.
Nov 6, 2022, 2:12 PM
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It’s the cult of Dabo!
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Same difference.***
Nov 6, 2022, 3:31 PM
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Lol, and you're the Brad Cult, Party of One.
Nov 6, 2022, 3:09 PM
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It's obviously impossible for you to go a day without your hypocritical trolling.
Dabo could win more tournament games in 6 years than your husband has in 12, troll.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:21 PM
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That's not what I'm saying.
Questioning coaching decisions is a good thing Dabo is sometimes loyal to a daily. He needs to be more cutthroat like Saban and others.
This thread is more for the people that have insinuated that Dabo has lost it, and "the whole coaching staff sucks". Have you read the board between last night and now?
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 7:51 PM
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I agree with what your saying and I get it I’m just saying people that are hating on Dabo aren’t Clemson fans … I mean again the Criticism of the hires is warranted and I def believe he needs to change that philosophy and quit trying to build this “Dabo coaching tree” like Saban … I mean look how these guys have struggled after they leave Clemson … it’s time to hire the best available we have the resources to do that who cares if we are changing coordinators every 2 years it’s better than what we have had
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 1:49 PM
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I don't, and don't think I can, hate Dabo. Has the program become all about the wins? I don't think so. Has thr fan base become all about the wins? Definite maybe. obviously there are those among us who believe in a "win no matter how" philosophy. To those I would say, thanks for ruining the world with your haughty attitude.
HOWEVER
Dabo has been supported in creating a program that should see us win more times than not and never be embarrassed. We were embarrassed again last night. Again as in WVa, LSU and Ohio St. embarrassed. Might we lose a game every so often? Sure, but never should we be embarrassed.
Coaches do their job to support themselves and their families. I have no doubt each coach was trying to put us in a position to win. As a result, I am slow to jump on a fire anyone bandwagon. But something that was working well no longer is and the coaches should know what it is ... they should've been working on it as of last Spring (or before), but addressing whatever ails the team now will restore the confidence we have reason to have.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 1:55 PM
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We just signed a $115 million contract with Dabo. What is he being paid for? I'm curious on what you think his job is. Is it to cultivate good young men? We could hire a preacher or a quality man up the street to do that for $100 grand. I thought he's paid about the same as Saban so that he will compete with Saban and win. The people ruining the world are not those who expect excellence from themselves and others. The people ruining the world are the ones who think everyone should get a participation trophy and think of ambition and drive as "haughty."
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I think a large segment of our football fan base believes
Nov 6, 2022, 3:35 PM
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that Dabo’s current contract is based on what he has done more than what he is expected to do moving forward.
To these fans, we aren’t worthy of having Dabo as our coach and should be grateful for whatever happens, simply because we have certainly had far worse seasons in the (now distant) past.
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You keep talking about money for the most successful coach in Clemson history, and then
Nov 6, 2022, 7:50 PM
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you ignore the fact your husband is the 38th highest paid coach in America and has only finished in the top 40 twice in 12 years.
So who's stealing money from Clemson exactly?
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 1:49 PM
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You can't ignore the good Dabo did. The rise of Clemson was an amazing story. His ability as a recruiter and motivator sold recruits on a dream. You can't disregard that.
But similarly, you can't ignore the bad he's doing now. We're now recruiting in the 10-20 range. That's not elite. And it's going to fall off as NIL becomes more prevalent (we don't have the money). But we're also not landing kids at key positions and miss out on all our top targets.
You can be thankful for what Dabo has done and still criticize him. I have nothing against him personally (I've never met him and have met people who do know him who both love and hate him so I can't speak on that). But I do think he's one of the highest paid coaches in the country, and for some reason, we just gave him a massive extension on a contract that wasn't even close to expiring. He's not being paid $10 million a year for what he accomplished 5 years ago. He's paid to accomplish those same things now. If he cannot do so in the new CFB world, we should find someone who can.
Also, Clemson did not have a top 25 offense prior to Syracuse. It was ranked #42.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 5:13 PM
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We haven't finished outside the top 10 in recruiting in the last 5 years. That is elite
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 1:54 PM
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No one hates Dabo. Everyone wonders why 5 star athletes become 3 stars under our coaching staff. We have a lot of players that are better as freshman as if their high school coaches were better.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 5:07 PM
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Ever wonder why 2 and 3* become nfl players under Dabo?
Hunter renfrow
Grady Jarret
Vic Beasley
Jordan McFadden
Babylon Spector
K'von wallace
Tremayne anchrum
Isaiah Simmons
Cordrae tankersly
TJ green
Bradly pinion
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:04 PM
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Assessing performance is not "hate".
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:05 PM
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How is it that those with high expectations are babies?
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:14 PM
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I've seen little Dabo hate on here and when I have seen it, it's coots or non-Clemson fans. It's more just disappointment on how the team has been recently which everyone should have right now unless you got your head in a hole. The criticism and questions are all warranted right now and I think a lot of you are getting that confused with "hate". Wanting coordinators/coaches gone is not "hate". It's wanting us to be better and not become complacent with what is shown. Winning the ACC these years is great on paper and nobody wouldn't take it. But it doesn't have shine it once did when this conference is a heaping pile of garbage. Nobody isn't happy that we are still finding ways to get 10+ wins a year. It's just the fact that we know we can be better than what we have shown. The talent and resources are there. It's just being blind/reluctant to not fix those issues that have been apparent for years. And now it's rearing its ugly head in a big way when this could've been nipped at the bud long before hand.
It's not being dramatic. It's being realistic and not ignoring the problems at hand and shoveling it into a closet of skeletons. We want this program to do better when we know it can and has before. Right now it's just a disservice to not just us fans but to those players that actually throw themselves out there and have/had hopes of a career in the pros.
And let me add this before some DA goes asking. No we don't expect to win National Championships every year. We do expect to compete for them though, that's where our program is at now. The fact that our offense is a rusted out blunderbuss is a glaring problem. And that's what needs to be fixed immediately. We have been scraping by lowly ACC teams all season! Watching this offense all season it's been apparent that it hasn't been fixed much. It's the same awful offense as last year just sprayed with some WD40. We shouldn't be looking anemic on either side of the ball and looking like we took 5 to 10 steps back on almost every facet of the team.
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Agree
Nov 6, 2022, 2:20 PM
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:34 PM
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I love Dabo and feel blessed to have him as our HC. That doesn’t mean I think he is perfect and never makes a mistake. Several of the recent coaching hires strongly appear to be mistakes. People need to stop using “hate” for everything someone says or does that they disagree with. Truthful observation and criticism is not “hate”
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I don’t see “Dabo hate” on this board
Nov 6, 2022, 2:38 PM
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I see Clemson fans criticizing his decision to hire unqualified coaches. I see Clemson fans criticizing the handling of the QB situation. I see Clemson fans criticizing the makeup of this team. What I don’t see is hate for Dabo, so why over-exaggerate?
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 2:41 PM
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There is a saying, "Love the sinner, hate the sin." We love Dabo but we don't like the cracks in the foundation that are popping up. We were 13 ranked last year, 12 now and that assumes we don't lose again. Louisville will smoke us if we play like we have the last 2 weeks. My concern is we have trended over the last 2 years from a perennial Top 5 team to barely a Top 15 team. We've seen a small decline in recruiting rankings as well.
No one is saying we aren't grateful for the past, we just don't want to leave the past in the past. We want to continue to have teams in the playoffs. With the talent we have, the falloff in the last 2 years is very concerning. I know you can say we've only lost one game but we could just have easily lost 3 by now and we still might be another 10-4 or 11-3 team before this season is over.
Many of us were highly disappointed that Dabo did not at least conduct some outside interviews for coordinators and coaches. With Clemson's track record, we could virtually have had anyone we wanted. If Best really is the standard then why not interview the best-of-breed coaches who are available? I don't think anyone can honestly say our coaching inexperience has done anything but hurt us. Developing from within takes a lot of time and growing pains are expected. I just hate to see us waste some amazing talent while we try and get our coaches up to speed and the reality is, we didn't have to do this and it has become a self-inflicted wound. These coaches should have been mentored by strong, experienced coordinators and not Dabo himself. That takes away too much from what he does best which is to be the CEO and set the vision. Now, he is forced to basically do it all himself.
I understand the concept of family, culture, and creating opportunities for those who remain loyal to you. I'm just not sure the way we are going about it is the best we could have done for the program.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 6, 2022, 3:46 PM
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Dabo hired his staff for to many personal reasons and not enough professional reasons. We have NO passing game whatsoever. We seem to be incapable of making meaningful changes to the offense even with an offseason to correct ourselves. Although DJ has received the lions share of the blame the problems are all over the field. Dabo Sweeny is just a Man that puts his pants on one leg at a time. The whole World can see our offense stinks. It isn't hate to point out the obvious.
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??***
Nov 8, 2022, 3:53 PM
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Re: Why all the Dabo hate??
Nov 8, 2022, 3:55 PM
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“With Love, a fan from pre 2012 that was content with losing.” Grow a set, it’s ok to want to be a champion.
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