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Game Changer [1677]
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Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 12:47 PM
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This has clearly been a steady drop for a few years… in many aspects of the program. It has effecting everything from development to recruiting.
To get back, what realistically happens? Right or wrong, Dabo is NOT going to abandon his main goals of graduating players and preparation for life after football. That is not going to happen.
Knowing that, where does this program realistically go from here?
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 12:50 PM
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What do you mean “right or wrong” when you say he wants to graduate players?
How could that possibly be wrong??
Good grief!
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Tiger Spirit [9926]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 1:02 PM
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The "right or wrong" part is based on the priority given to that goal. If we graduate 100% of our roster and it's full of 2/3 star players winning 6-7 games, is that better or worse than graduating 80% of a roster full of 4/5 star players winning 10+ games a year and making a playoff run?
As I said in another post - graduation rate is important, but it's secondary. Having a great graduation rate is irrelevant if you aren't winning games. Dabo wasn't hired to issue degrees.
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Valley Legend [12450]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
Oct 21, 2025, 1:11 PM
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Hmmm.. Good point.
So, why should we care if anyone gets a degree?
Why not a 0% graduation rate?
Then we could be really good.
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Paw Warrior [5050]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 1:32 PM
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They’re getting paid 6-7 figures now, that’s the difference. They afford to pay dear old Clemson to finish it out like most if us alumni had to. And they won’t even need to get that loan shark Sallie Mae involved
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Valley Legend [12450]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
Oct 21, 2025, 1:35 PM
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So you’re saying Coach Swinney should pull their scholarships?
That would be a bold move.
No one would see that coming!
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Paw Warrior [5050]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 4:24 PM
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We’ve got like what 120 now? Maybe if we stoppped taking on charity cases who should be in FCS we wouldn’t have an issue with numbers. And if we stopped the whole “earned it because he’s a senior” nonsense and played who was actually better maybe they’d just leave on their own
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1st Rounder [609]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 1:35 PM
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Most 5 star players don’t care if they graduate college, most want as much $$$ as possible over a 3-5 year period then if possible hit the NFL for a few years. A college diploma is low on their list of priorities. If we want a good football team we need 5 star players. If they don’t care about graduating then that’s on them. These are grown men and college football is now a professional league of its own.
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Valley Legend [12450]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
Oct 21, 2025, 1:36 PM
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So you would love it if Clemson won a few more games, and never had a single player graduate?
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1st Rounder [609]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 1:48 PM
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I don’t care if professional athletes (that’s what they are now) graduate or not, or what they choose to do with their money. It’s their life, they can live it how they choose. Freedom is a wonderful thing.
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Valley Legend [12450]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
Oct 21, 2025, 1:51 PM
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LOL wow.
I love freedom, too.
We’re not taking about freedom here, pal.
Freedom doesn’t mean that nothing matters.
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1st Rounder [609]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 1:53 PM
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Just settle down “pal”. Like I said it’s freedom to do what they choose.
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Valley Legend [12450]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
Oct 21, 2025, 1:58 PM
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Not when it is college football and they are supposed to attend that college, pal.
See how it works?
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1st Rounder [609]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:00 PM
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They are attending it, you absolute clown.
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Valley Legend [12450]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:01 PM
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But none of them should graduate? Because freedom?
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1st Rounder [609]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:05 PM
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I never said that. They could always come back and graduate a few years later if they want to, you know, like I did. I chose to leave Clemson and go serve my country first a while, then I came back to graduate. Freedom. It was my choice. Nobody told me how to live my life.
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Valley Legend [12450]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
Oct 21, 2025, 2:08 PM
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They don’t have to play college football.
But they have chosen to.
Freedom.
See how that works?
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1st Rounder [609]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:09 PM
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And they don’t have to graduate if they don’t want to.
See how that works?
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Valley Legend [12450]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:11 PM
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There are standards.
That leads to graduation.
Not sure how you don’t understand that.
But that’s okay. You’ll figure it out. Maybe.
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1st Rounder [609]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:14 PM
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So someone who attends Clemson must be forced to graduate? So you and the other Dabo knob polishers can brag about the graduation rate of his players? LOL
Just go away
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Valley Legend [12450]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:15 PM
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Ahhh here we go with the crass insults and the “go away” LOL
You lost.
Take your L.
I’m sure it’s not your first, and won’t be your last.
Bye
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1st Rounder [609]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:27 PM
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Not an L, I just refuse to debate with someone who is impervious to logic. I have much better ways to spend my time.
Have a great day!
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Tiger Spirit [9926]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Sep 20, 2025, 1:34 AM
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Row is a well established idiot. Thanks for your service.
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1st Rounder [609]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:34 PM
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Thank you, it was my honor and privilege to serve. Go Tigers!
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National Champion [7737]
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Game Changer [2063]
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Paw Warrior [5050]
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1st Rounder [609]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 1:49 PM
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Tell me what exactly is this bragging right if graduating football players about? Who exactly cares about that?
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Ultimate Tiger [35195]
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I'm headed out of town next week getting back
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Oct 21, 2025, 12:53 PM
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On Friday.. then I'll be heading to clemson Saturday morning.
Probably big breakfsst in the morning...burgers and hotdogs after the game.
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Campus Hero [13544]
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Re: I'm headed out of town next week getting back
Oct 21, 2025, 1:05 PM
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Your itinerary is more interesting than the football team's.
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Head Coach [943]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 1:00 PM
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First thing is improve strength & conditioning. That has been a major part of the decline. Secondly, I'm not saying the entire staff, but a complete and sober evaluation of the assistant coaches resulting in more than a few changes. Thirdly and maybe most importantly an embrace of the portal. I'm not saying 20+ but more the 3. Lastly Dabo needs to do some self reflection. A team doesn't wind up where we are without some issues at the top. I think he got complacent and overconfident.
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Hall of Famer [9085]
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Re: We Have To Win The Mid Level Games First ....... ---
Oct 21, 2025, 1:02 PM
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......like taking on the Purdue's.....the Missouri's..... the Arizona's.......the Arkansas's. Then we go after the bigger fish. However some money has to be put on the table at some point in recruiting. We don't have to be the crooked Jerry Jones type of car salesman......but we have to come clean and honest about what we want.
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Top TigerNet [32987]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 1:02 PM
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6 to 7 win seasons with an occasional 9-10+ win season once or twice a decade.
A slightly better than average program.
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Campus Hero [13544]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 1:06 PM
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If CDS doesn't change, you are correct. Let's hope he is humble enough to realize that changes are necessary, even some big ones.
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National Champion [7737]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 1:13 PM
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From Brandon Rink's article:
'After a momentary respite in wins over struggling UNC and BC teams, the cliff-dive continued Saturday with a third home loss and fifth-straight home defeat to a Power 4 opponent, 35-24 versus SMU.'
So let's put some of that in BOLD CAPITALIZED:
"...A THIRD HOME LOSS AND FIFTH-STRAIGHT HOME LOSS TO A POWER 4 OPPONENT"
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Ring of Honor [23123]
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Eric Mac Lain says Clemson's O-line vs SMU was the worst he's "ever seen."
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:04 PM
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MaClain's unsure the Tigers make a bowl. TNet staff gives Clemson coaches and players "F's" for performances.
These are not regional or national media seeking to discredit Clemson or pump up the SEC or B1G. These are men and women who love Dabo and Clemson Football.
The premise that TNet posters are Clemson and Dabo haters (with the exception of some Gamecock trolls) is largely a false premise ...
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National Champion [7737]
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Re: Eric Mac Lain says Clemson's O-line vs SMU was the worst he's "ever seen."
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Oct 21, 2025, 2:18 PM
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I agree and I was referring to OP AND I left off how we are 0-5 versus SEC (past five games)
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National Champion [7957]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 1:28 PM
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He will have to use more nil in high school recruiting and will have to bring in as many as 10 portal guys using nil each year. He will have to be willing to change coaches that are not getting the job done as well.
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Oculus Spirit [41068]
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Without real improvement FCS***
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Oct 21, 2025, 1:48 PM
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Paw Master [16213]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
Oct 21, 2025, 1:52 PM
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Long term? Back to Bowden years success levels.
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Hall of Famer [8763]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
Oct 21, 2025, 1:53 PM
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If Dabo doesn't start cutting players, then I believe that we need to be content with not having realistic chances of winning national titles.
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Solid Orange [1305]
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Re: Where do we realistically go from here?
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Oct 21, 2025, 4:12 PM
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College football is dead, it has been replaced as a semi-pro league of the NFL. I would prefer that the NFL pay for their developmental league. SO in that vein form a 32 team league, 4 divisions. What about the rest? Well the go back under the good ole NCAA and only get scholarships a a bit of pocket money. Might be difficult to get used to a first but there you go.
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Orange Beast [6545]
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Realistically
Oct 21, 2025, 4:57 PM
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If Dabo could've fixed our slide he would have done it.
That being said, what needs to happen next? Here's a short list:
1) Clemson Hires a Football GM that reports directly to the AD. GM has final say so on ALL staff hiring and firing decisions.
2) GM also manages the roster, and decides how many players at each position are needed, how many portal players to grab, how much to pay them, and any others.
3) GM fires every coach without at least 5 years prior coaching experience at another PWR 4 school.
4) GM allows any new OC or DC to hire his own staff, without any conditional holdovers from the current staff.
5). Dabo is told up-front that this is how Clemson is going to be run from here on out. It's a professional model now. He decides to stay, or leave. It's his choice. But if he stays, these are the conditions.
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