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We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 11:35 AM
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those top 10 and top 5 recruiting classes that we were a few years ago. Miami and Fl State are out recruiting us now and SC has closed the gap. Somewhere we have lost our way of being an elite football program. We know longer have the dudes that helped us win two natties and strike fear in the hearts of our opponents. Our opponents now know they can compete and beat us.
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Ultimate Tiger [38485]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 11:39 AM
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We lost Coach BV and our offensive coaches who knew what they were doing. We still have the talent good enough to be elite. We now have the coaching on OL and defense, but NOT on offense.
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National Champion [7959]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 11:42 AM
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I can agree with that. Offense coaching has been pitiful since Elliott and Scott left. Dabo alone can not hold this program up. He needs elite coordinators. Tom Allen should be ok.
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Game Changer [1938]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 2:39 PM
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Oh now we are saying Elliot was great but when he was here you all wanted him gone.
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Paw Warrior [5062]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 3:34 PM
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Elliot + Scott = great
Elliot alone = not great
There’s a reason people are lobbying constantly to get Scott back out of real estate and not a peep about longing to have Tony back. Too bad Jeff has repeatedly said “thanks but no thanks” in regards to returning to coaching
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Gridiron Giant [15610]
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Where are you getting that sentiment?
Sep 11, 2025, 8:28 PM
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It’s a well known fact Tony was the guy calling plays. Jeff and Brandon were auxiliary.
Tony and Jeff were co-OCs in 2015-2019. That’s two years of Deshaun Watson, then Kelly Bryant who was better than DJU, then Trevor Lawrence. Do you think having DW and TL helped to make the offense go? OF COURSE IT DID. Do you think Tony and Jeff would have succeeded with DJU? Not any better than Brandon did. DJU was DJU as witnessed at two other programs.
Tony was the primary playcaller for those 4 years and he benefited from having DW, TL, and ETN. While they were co-OCs, we finished one season inside the top 10 in offense. One.
In 2020 we were also 10th in offense, and we also had the most productive passing game in Clemson history. No Jeff.
In 2021, we had DJU.
During their co-OC days, we finished inside of 10th once - the national championship year. After Jeff left we were 10th with the most productive passing offense in Clemson history, then there was DJ for one year before Tony left for UVA.
So I ask, what empirical evidence do yon have to suggest Jeff was the reason we were better (but not actually)? When Jeff left we didn’t lose a step and in fact produced the best passing game we’ve ever had.
I’ve seen a few folks say Jeff was somehow the secret sauce, but I haven’t seen anyone suggest why.
The data is clear. So what makes you think Jeff was the reason?
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Solid Orange [1384]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 12:30 PM
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We still have great coaches and better recruits than we ever had...power rangers were not top recruits but the became a major force...may happen again...the media beauty contests may just be a reflection of pot laced writers on prozac...if you buy a great team ( FSU ) then anyone else can buy them away from you $50 or $5000, we know what you are we are just negotiating the price! Dabo is still one of the best or maybe you like Kirby Stupid?
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CU Guru [1549]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 3:25 PM
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The power rangers weren’t elite recruits?
Seriously?
Wilkins was a 5 star… Lawrence was a unanimous top 3 recruit overall… Ferrell was a top 100 guy and Bryant was a solid 4 star.
They were absolutely elite recruits.
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Paw Warrior [5062]
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Game Changer [1735]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
Sep 11, 2025, 6:03 PM
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And BV leaving of course.
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Gridiron Giant [15610]
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The defense was fine 2021-23.
Sep 11, 2025, 7:11 PM
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QB however…
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Gridiron Giant [15610]
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Re: No, it didnt. We pay plenty in NIL.
Sep 11, 2025, 7:11 PM
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Not to land them. Sorry, but you barely wrong.
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Gridiron Giant [15610]
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Im sorry, bud, but I dont understand what you said there.***
Sep 11, 2025, 8:09 PM
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Re: Im sorry, bud, but I dont understand what you said there.***
Sep 11, 2025, 8:26 PM
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Sorry. Auto correct. Yeah we aren't paying what it takes to land them, so you are wrong. That is what you are missing.
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Gridiron Giant [15610]
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What youre obviously missing is -
Sep 11, 2025, 8:38 PM
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Who from the outside and where would put them?
We retain better than anyone, due to culture and NIL.
We don’t have guys leaving. We keep elite guys and pay them. Where are we going to put portal guys seeking NILs.
I’m not missing anything friend. I’m afraid you aren’t getting the whole retention and NIL primarily keeping the elite within. No room at the inn, bro.
Do you get it now?
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Top TigerNet [31003]
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Re: What youre obviously missing is -
Sep 11, 2025, 8:53 PM
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You're still completely bud. We are talking are last classes and we have spots to put them. You're absolutely clueless. The NIL is making things complicated.
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Clemson Conqueror [11146]
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National Champion [7695]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 11:42 AM
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Agree. It has been obvious on the field for about 5 years. Coaching changes will not increase the on field talent to the levels we used to have.
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Team Captain [457]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 1:26 PM
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NIL is your issue, elite talent wants to get paid accordingly, culture be ######. Also, friends and family coaching is not the answer. The addition of Luke and Allen will help, but other changes will be need to made to shore up defencies.
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Game Changer [2063]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
Sep 11, 2025, 8:24 PM
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Jeff Scott was a friends and family hire.
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Paw Master [16231]
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Where we "lost our way" is when it apparently became legal for recruiting to be
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Sep 11, 2025, 2:18 PM
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an auction.
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National Champion [7959]
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Re: Where we "lost our way" is when it apparently became legal for recruiting to be
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Sep 11, 2025, 2:24 PM
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Can’t argue with that at all. Just making the point we don’t have the dudes on the field that we had during our elite years.
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Gridiron Giant [15610]
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The recruiting rankings tell a different story.
Sep 11, 2025, 8:11 PM
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We don’t have TL or DW.
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Hall of Famer [8770]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
Sep 11, 2025, 2:24 PM
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2021: 5th
2022: 14th
2023: 14th
2024: 15th
2025: 28th
2026: 15th
With these recruiting rankings, we either have to be exceptional (the best in the country) at evaluating and developing talent. Or we have to use the transfer portal more. Getting 3 last year was a good start. We will probably need 3+ annually.
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National Champion [7959]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 2:25 PM
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Believe we will need more than 3 next year due to the 2025 recruiting and numbers.
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Hall of Famer [8770]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
Sep 11, 2025, 2:49 PM
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OL, DL, and CB.
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Tiger Spirit [9929]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 2:31 PM
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Our recruiting rankings are pretty much where they have always been. Notice the years leading up to the first Dabo Natty...we weren't recruiting top 5/10 classes then, either.
2010: 27
2011: 10
2012: 20
2013: 15
2014: 16
2015: 9
2016: 11
2017: 16
2018: 7
2019: 10
Source: 247sports Composite
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Hall of Famer [8770]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 2:48 PM
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NIL and the transfer portal didn't exist though. So bad comparison.
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Tiger Spirit [9929]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 3:55 PM
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Huh? That doesn't make it a bad comparison at all. We are recruiting at the same level as before, and we are retaining our recruits better than anyone in the country. So blaming recruiting is not valid.
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Hall of Famer [8770]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
Sep 11, 2025, 5:36 PM
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You're comparing a different era of college football.
I'll try to explain it this way.
Ohio State brought in Will Howard, Quinshon Judkins, Caleb Downs, and Julian Sayin from the portal. 3 of them started last year and led them to a national title. That would not have happened without the transfer portal. They would not have been as good if they had to solely rely on developing their recruits. They would be worse if they had to replace one of their safeties with a player on their roster. Ohio State got the best defensive player in the country from the portal instead. That matters.
This is why this comparison is bad. Teams are better now because they utilize the transfer portal to fill holes in their roster.
Clemson's defense is better because we brought in Will Heldt from the transfer portal. Had we signed Bryce Davis instead (who is currently 3rd string for Duke), Clemson would be worse on defense.
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Tiger Spirit [9929]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
Sep 11, 2025, 8:51 PM
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That’s great. But it’s not the topic. Read the original post in the thread.
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1st Rounder [605]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
Sep 11, 2025, 5:49 PM
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24/7 is not as good as our coaching staff in evaluating talent. None of these recruiting services are. Ask Urban Meyer who "suddenly" developed interest in stealing our recruits after we identified and offered them before they became highly sought after.
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
Sep 11, 2025, 2:55 PM
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Our recruiting and coaching are fine. We simply cannot bring in as many studs because of NIL and the portal. Dabo and company will have to use the portal more.
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
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Sep 11, 2025, 2:59 PM
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Also, our two QB recruits over the last few years simply don't measure up to Watson and Lawrence. This has affected the offense tremendously.
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National Champion [7695]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
Sep 11, 2025, 3:28 PM
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Right. All of the elite teams have elite qb’s. We have missed out on the last 2. Cade makes bad throws and makes bad decisions. His mobility is what draws positive attention to him.
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Hall of Famer [8770]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
Sep 11, 2025, 5:39 PM
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Will Howard was not an elite QB. In fact, I would argue that Cade is probably better. But Howard still led Ohio State to a national title.
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
Sep 11, 2025, 6:05 PM
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They were so stacked they didn't need an elite QB. We need one imo. Maybe Cade turns into one this season?
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Associate AD [1030]
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Re: We are recruiting in the top 25 but no longer gettjng
Sep 11, 2025, 6:11 PM
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Balderdash.
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