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What should be the standard that defines a successful season
Jan 10, 2023, 3:08 PM
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There is a lot of discussion on the board about whether or not we should consider this year a successful season and it got me thinking about what is the minimum expectation between a successful and unsuccessful season. Is it a 10-win season? Is it winning the state championship and the ACC? Is it making the playoffs?
Just when is it OK to complain about falling short and what is that line in the sand?
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Re: What should be the standard that defines a successful season
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Jan 10, 2023, 3:14 PM
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Compete for the ACC Championship and beat South Carolina.
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Re: What should be the standard that defines a successful season
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Jan 10, 2023, 3:18 PM
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So, by your definition, does not beating SC make this an unsuccessful season?
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Just disappointing***
Jan 10, 2023, 4:22 PM
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Re: What should be the standard that defines a successful season
Jan 10, 2023, 10:35 PM
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I think you need to raise the bar a bit.
Winning the ACC is better than not winning it, I suppose, but in recent years, it isn’t that big of an accomplishment considering the caliber of competition. (Hopefully FSU will make things interesting next year.)
And beating the chickens should be a given.
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I’m sure that that will vary fan to fan…
Jan 10, 2023, 3:15 PM
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Here are some things that people would probably say, though…
- Undefeated season
- Undefeated in the ACC
- Beat the Coots
- All players get baptized and go to heaven
- Win the ACC
- Make the college football playoffs
- 10 wins season
- be in contention for the ACC titles
- Win the bowl game
- Be in a New Year’s day six bowl/playoffs
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Well...if you follow Dabo's mantra of...
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Jan 10, 2023, 3:16 PM
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Win the first one
Win the division
Win the state
Win the conference
Win the last one
considering the team failed to achieve two of the five objectives, the answer would seemingly be no. However, that does not mean that Clemson had a bad season. You still celebrate the successes.
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Re: Well...if you follow Dabo's mantra of...
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Jan 10, 2023, 3:20 PM
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It does not mean Clemson had a bad season but was it a successful season by the standard you just stated?
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Depends on your perspective...
Jan 10, 2023, 3:30 PM
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Three out of five equates to 60%.
If you hit 3 for 5 regularly in MLB, you're an All Star and likely in the HOF one day. If your team fails to make it to the World Series, does that mean you had an unsuccessful year?
Again, you celebrate the successes, you note and learn from the deficiencies, but you keep working.
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Re: Depends on your agenda...
Jan 10, 2023, 3:34 PM
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If you hit 3 out of 5 in the MLB they are naming buildings after you and putting up statues 
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Which is why I said it depends on your perspective***
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Jan 10, 2023, 4:15 PM
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I look at it this way for any sport, including football:
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Jan 10, 2023, 3:22 PM
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1. What have we shown we are capable of in the past? Emphasis should be on the recent past.
2. How much do we spend on the program compared to the other teams in our conference?
3. How does our talent level compare to our opponents?
4. Does our program lack anything it needs to be successful, and if so, are we willing/able to provide it?
When it comes to football, we’ve shown that we can win national championships in the recent past. We have recent high level success. We spend more on football that just about everyone else at the FBS level. We were more talented on paper than anyone we played this year. And finally, our program has what are widely considered to be the best facilities in college football. We have a high budget for assistants and support staff. We have a rabid fan base that shows up and is loud.
Based on that, we shouldn’t be happy with 10 win seasons and an ACC championship, because the above items suggest that we should be much better than that.
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Yep… with top 3 paid coaching too***
Jan 10, 2023, 3:50 PM
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Our football budget for a public school in the FBS is 20th.
Jan 10, 2023, 4:37 PM
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That's behind FSU in the ACC, SCar, and every one of the Power 5 OOC teams we regularly schedule, private ND included. Miami is private so can't include and unsure.
We just finished the season ranked 13th. The year prior 15th. The six prior Top 5 or better.
I know it's frustrating for many who got accustomed to Natty Time year in and year out there, ridiculous success borne from a whole greatly outperforming the sum of its parts. That definitely changes perspective when we drop off for a year like 2021, and only make a marginal gain the year following. Still better than the resource and funding measures should imply, but not that tippy top, upper crest realm that we've recently occupied and had gotten used to. With the turnover we experienced on both sides of the ball from coordinator positions, the one true common denominator here these past two down years has been QB, and that factor has moved on.
Fortunately we have a steady hand at the helm who isn't a reactionary, nor someone who panics and throws a tantrum when a result doesn't go their way. Instead we have someone who operates from and has built a great foundation, has us poised and positioned for titles at every level each season, and clearly puts his players first over anything or anyone else. If anything, Dabo's high salary continues to be one of the best deals in the game considering how much we save on other expenditures compared to our peers, and how well we consistently achieve and outperform on the field among that very same.
Go Tigers.
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Given what Clemson has at it's disposal......
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Jan 10, 2023, 3:42 PM
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-Having the 2nd/3rd highest paid Head coach in the country.....
-Having resources to afford a top paid AND QUALIFIED coaching staff in the country. Not sure where we rank there now from a pay standpoint, but at one point BV was a top 2 paid DC in the country.
Just looking at ONLY the two above points........losing 3 games and going 0-3 vs OOC P5 teams........this season was unsuccessful.
the most frustrating part of all of the "downfall" or "slide" from ELITE is it was 100% preventable if Dabo saw the issues 3-4 years ago.
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Yep. Correct sir.***
Jan 10, 2023, 3:47 PM
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Win ACC, beat Scar, win bowl game!***
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Jan 10, 2023, 3:42 PM
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Re: What should be the standard that defines a successful season
Jan 10, 2023, 3:58 PM
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It's all relative really. Something determined when comparing recent success and failure.
UofSC had 8 wins. For them that was a successful season. For us, that would have been a nightmare.
I still consider this a successful season. The season had plenty of flaws but the team still found a way to get 11 wins and a conference title. This isn't as successful as I would like it to be. There is plenty to improve upon, but I can't see calling this season unsuccessful.
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Re: What should be the standard that defines a successful season
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Jan 10, 2023, 4:05 PM
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It’s not the number of wins that define success, it’s the quality of the product. Win the games you should, be competitive against tough opponents. Should have beaten all three teams we lost to, got butts kicked against ND and Tennessee. Won to many close games that should not have been close. Coaching game planning and game management are not what they were 5 years ago. Player development is also questionable. Is it just me or does it seem that we have lost more Receivers to Portal in past few years than any position group? Something’s not right there.
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Re: What should be the standard that defines a successful season
Jan 10, 2023, 4:51 PM
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TU for TFReady. Your response resonates with me as well. It’s not purely about the Ws & Ls. Our CFP title game loss to LSU was one I shrugged off and said, it sucks to get there and not win it but that team we played was ridiculously good. I suspect TCU fans said something similar last night.
Our losses this year… not good. Got outcoached in all of them. Outclassed in 2 of them (ND & TN) and never should’ve lost the game to our instate rival. Add in we had to grind out some wins vs teams we should’ve beaten soundly, the product is not where it needs to be.
And yeah, the WRs flowing in one direction is not good. I believe it’s DJ, coaching and scheme. We’ll see next year how much of each.
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Re: What should be the standard that defines a successful season
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Jan 10, 2023, 4:09 PM
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What makes a successful season entirely depends on what you put into it. We pay our head coach more than every coach in the playoffs this year. We pay our coordinators, who likely don't have the background to be hired at G5 schools, a lot of money. We gave Dabo a $70 million football village to woo recruits. Our wealthiest donors donate even more for NIL. If we consider past success, people wondered if we were the new dynasty and the premier program only 4 years ago. We're also theoretically the fifth most talented team with the easiest schedule of the top 15 teams.
For that reason, I believe it's playoffs or bust. If we win 12 of our 13 games, we are very likely in the playoffs. And prior to the season we were heavy favorites against all but one, whom we were still favorites with. Add in the fact that we went 0-3 against out of conference P5 teams, were outplayed in all three, and were crushed in two. In my book, this season was a failure.
Or you could go by Dabo's own stated goals if you're a cult member. We got 60% of them. That's a failing grade.
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Re: What should be the standard that defines a successful season
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Jan 10, 2023, 4:14 PM
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The easy way out, but actually the correct answer, is that whatever each fan considers a successful season to be.
The ‘should it be this,’ or ‘should it be that’ stuff is fun for message board fodder. So here goes:
For me, playing in the ACC Championship is a good season.
Beating S.Carolina and playing in the ACC Championship is a very good season.
Beating S.Carolina and winning ACC is an outstanding season.
Doing both of the above and then winning the bowl is a superb season.
Doing both of the above and then reaching CFP is a magnificent season.
Winning one game in CFP is just unreal.
Winning it all is truly euphoric.
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