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Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:00 PM
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2 coaches have won here at Clemson in a significant way, in over 100 years of football. Dabos 6 worst years are equal to Danny’s 6 best years. I’m open to solid debates.
We’ve always competed under the table when it wasn’t legal, paid NIL while it is legal.
Ok then tell me who you want to replace Dabo with and why you think they can win at Clemson.
Clemson is not Alabama, UGA, Ohio state, Oregon or even Michigan… tell me who and why.
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:08 PM
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Concise points, so you won’t get much in the way of thoughtful responses.
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:12 PM
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If someone does respond, it most likely will be making some claim hinting at the transfer portal. We have started using it and should, likely, increase using it where it might help. But many/most here won’t acknowledge a simple fact, like how most portal players are no better at their next destination than where they came from. The ones that breakout and shine are statistically outliers, thus like a lottery ticket in a way. So just saying "portal!" is not the magical panacea that some here seem to think it is.
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majority of our portal players this year have been........
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:25 PM
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our biggest contributors when they're on the field.
oh.....and tell Indiana, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Texas Tech, Mizzou, UVA, etc... that good portal players are statistical outliers.
If you do it "right" and supplement your program accordingly with them they're extremely impactful and beneficial.
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Re: majority of our portal players this year have been........
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:37 PM
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Again… pointing at a few names "see Pavia!" (for example) just confirms what I said. A couple names versus the hundreds, plus, we don’t talk about. The portal can be useful, and we are using it and should continue where appropriate. My gripe would be that people here aren’t looking at realistically or holistically. They look at it as a magic cure all pill. It’s not.
A number of the programs you mentioned, Tx Tech for just one example, yes they have some high profile portal players. They ALSO are nearing the top of recruiting boards now, Tx Tech has pulled in some of the top recruits recently and is expanding this into the ‘27 and ‘28 cycles already. Thus recruiting being the foundation still. Lastly, if we lean heavily on the portal whining better not come from the masses here if we have a 2-10 season like Norvell or have Billy B.’s embarrassment in Chapel Hill! The portal is a gamble.
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I didn't give "a few names"........I gave a few teams that have a TON........
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:46 PM
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of portal players.........you're more than welcome to research their names. TxTech is also recruiting at a high level b/c they've gone "all-in" in NIL and SELLING it to HS recruits.
it's a new era.........the portal is NOT a gamble (especially no more than HS reruiting) if you know what you're doing....I think Dabo could turn the ship if he'd toss his ego out the window and hit the portal just like he used to hit HS recruiting b/c he's missed on that recently too.
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Re: I didn't give "a few names"........I gave a few teams that have a TON........
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:04 PM
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You are speaking of a few teams, and a handful of players. Again proving what I was saying about statistical facts. Those players have worked out for them, but you are just ignoring the mass of players that don’t work out! Tx Tech has been recruiting at a higher level more and more as NIL has progressed. Has this happened at the same time as they’ve gotten quality portal players, yes. To say their recruiting is only because of portal players has no evidence.
And of course, 2-10 Mike Norvell’s portal masterpiece last year in FSU. The only response that is ever given to this, is "stop being silly, we won’t take that many portal players!" or the equally fun, "Norvell just sucks, you can’t that as evidence against the portal!" 😂
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Im not advocating to get 20+portal players..
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:15 PM
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Like Indiana or southern miss even though BOTH transformed their programs by doing so.
Clemson is not in that spot…..not yet anyway. Dabo needs probably 7-10 to supplement what he has. Thats just addressing the talent issues. The coaching and development is another problem. Again, the portal is no more of a gamble than High school recruiting, actually it’s less of one because the players have gone through a CFB “life” and at least a year more physically mature from being in a CFB program.
Statistically speaking. Dabos “hit rate” on HS recruits “working out” is far less than his current “hit rate” on the portal. No doubt.
Two of Our BEST players when they see the field is Heldt and Smith.
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Re: Im not advocating to get 20+portal players..
Oct 19, 2025, 11:13 PM
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Indiana is JMU, when Cignetti brought almost the entire starting lineup with him...
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Baylor is in Waco. Texas Tech is in Lubbock.***
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Re: majority of our portal players this year have been........
Oct 19, 2025, 8:37 PM
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I think that just shows how bad most of those schools were before nil. bigger teams scraps have made them competitive. Doesn't meant they are elite players though. Just better than what they had.
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Why must we have to go over this all the time ?
Oct 19, 2025, 9:13 PM
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1. The best transfer portal players move to start, not be depth.
2. In order to need starters from the portal you either have to have guys transfer out, or you can tell some guys to leave. We haven’t lost any starters or even 2nd string, and we don’t kick guys off just to search for a hoped for better player from the portal. No guarantees with that.
3. Every team you mentioned had numerous guys transfer out. I mean bunches or transfers out. So they had no choice but to fill those gaps with transfers in. That doesn’t mean they’re getting better, and they could be getting worse. You think LSU is as good as last year? They brought in ~ 20 guys to replace ~ 20 guys. Why aren’t they better? Well, it’s likely because the net sum of incoming isn’t collectively as good as the guys who transferred out.
4. You might tell me we should have been signing more transfers instead of high school players thinking this is how you add “depth”, but again, the best portal players move to start not be depth. If we were to sign portal guys in place of high school guys, it’s the transfers, 3 stars, who weren’t good enough to start at their previous school.
The portal is useful when you lose guys to the portal. Then you shoot for the best of them. Fact is there isn’t a school with less transfers than us. In all of America. We haven’t had many transfers at all over the years, and as noted we’ve lost one starter ever to the portal.
So I’ll ask again - explain how we would have used the portal any differently than we have? Where would we put these new planned starters? We haven’t lost anyone!
And you do know we tried to get a couple OL guys for 2-3 years before signing the guys we did last year, right? It’s not like we haven’t tried to use the portal. We’ve tried to use it to fill absolute needs, and those holes were very very small.
This year we will have more attrition than any recent memory. We will likely sign 5+ portal guys. That in no way, shape, or form guarantees we will get better. The portal isn’t chock full of elite talent. There are some, but it’s not a Walmart shelf where you just go pick the best product off the shelf.
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oh hey Mikey...tell me again how QB is our ONLY issue.....
Oct 19, 2025, 9:23 PM
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when CV did good and we still were dominated..........but explain to the board how we have ZERO issues other than QB ONLY.......go ahead.........I'll wait.
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Thats it pheebs, totally ignore the questions.
Oct 21, 2025, 7:26 AM
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You fail time and time again at this, but you just keep doubling down on the same nonsense.
Address the points pheebs.
I’ll address yours - I never said a good QB is all you need. I said teams don’t win without good QBs, and at the time I said it our 3 losses were on the QB. The bottom line is if we have solid QB plays and complementary football, then we’re undefeated.
Now address the points that destroy your portal obsession.
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Re: Thats it pheebs, totally ignore the questions.
Oct 21, 2025, 7:57 AM
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Pot, meet kettle. You’ve avoided me 7 times now after saying you avoid no one. You’ve ran away every time.
As for QB play, your entire premise was: if the QB had played better we “wouldn’t be having these discussions” about coaching, development, etc. Tons of us countered with “yes we would. There are lots of things wrong. Have been wrong for a while”
Now go back and answer about your false stats you tout as fact. I’m not repeating myself here. I’ve done it 7 times. You’ve also failed 5 times to acknowledge the crazy possibility that a portal player can replace a graduating senior. Or even a crappy starter! You conveniently leave that out with your diatribes about the portal. You willingly deny answering questions yet demand it of others. Then call them “coot”
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What are you talking about man???
Oct 21, 2025, 6:33 PM
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I’m not avoiding you in the least bit, let alone 7 times.
There remains ZERO DOUBT, Cade was AWFUL in the first four games, and if he wasn’t then we’d be 5-2 or 6-1. Period.
Even against Syracuse, Cade missed at least a dozen plays with numerous game changers on there. We very could have swung that game early if Cade was on.
It’s undeniable the defense cost is the game Saturday, but that was the first.
I don’t know what stats you’re taking about, but none that I have posted are false.
I never once said a transfer guy couldn’t be a potential replacement for a graduating senior. Which graduating senior would have called for an unproven portal guy to replace the next in line in the program? I’ll say it again, the overwhelming number of transfer guys are replacing other transfers. That’s what’s truly happening.
Which “crappy starter” should have been told to pursue his career elsewhere for a hit or miss transfer guy?
I’m not refusing to answer a darn thing fella.
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Re: What are you talking about man???
Oct 21, 2025, 7:58 PM
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Yes. You are. 7 times. 2020 was not the most prolific passing year in our history. 1000 yards shy. A whopping 15% was from ETN alone as rb.
You use that as the n benchmark for defense of Grisham. Just look at the next page on this very thread.
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Re: What are you talking about man???
Oct 21, 2025, 8:02 PM
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Actually it’s THIS page. Two comments down.
Who to replace outgoing? LAST year, not this year w Heldt, we desperately needed a d end. Several o linemen.
Apparently we need a RB or 4. Safety. Hannafin ain’t it. He flashed, but not it.
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Re: Why must we have to go over this all the time ?
Oct 19, 2025, 9:26 PM
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You completely ignore fact.
One: Tristan Smith. He’s a stud it seems, playing backup
Two: you think a 3 star can’t be a great player. Renfrow’s happen all the time in every level.
Three: you act like no starters ever graduate. You ignore the possibility that a transfer would love to start for us in place of that graduating starter.
Four: you’ve ignored me for the 6 th time. You’ll act like you didn’t see it, like always.
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Re: Why must we have to go over this all the time ?
Oct 19, 2025, 9:42 PM
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Here, I’ll ensure you never comment on this post, this will be number seven. It’s all that has to be done to get you off of a post:
2020 fell 1000 yards short of the most prolific passing year in our history. 15% of receiving production in 2020 was from ETN. That’s a large chunk. Youve used that false stat a dozen times to defend WR coaching.
There, Mike is done with this post. You’ll not see him again
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Re: Why must we have to go over this all the time ?
Oct 19, 2025, 11:03 PM
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How would we have used the portal differently? The primary way would have been to use it before last year. I have no issues with Dabo using it sparingly, but the argument that we can't find any players that would improve our roster just doesn't fly.
I wish that I could say that I am confident that Dabo will continue to use the portal after having some success with it last year, but that would be admitting that he was wrong all the previous years. For all of his good qualities which are numerous, admitting when he is wrong is not among them.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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Is GT better, is Duke better, is Syracuse better (before their QB got hurt)? Would the elite programs in the country taking 6-12 or more players per year keep doing it if they didn’t believe it helped and made them better. Are all the 130+!programs all wrong and only Dabo is right? Do the numbers really support that?
Parroting Dabo talking points and sticking with that position is just going to keep getting us more of the same.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 9:11 PM
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I parroted nothing, I asked simple questions.
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Re: Show me a team who didnt lose 6-10 transfers in order to sign 6-10.***
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Not looking that up. But I know for fact Vandy signed Pavia AFTER they had done a 1 for 1 transfer at QB.
I did zero research other than him. First player I picked. I’m sure you’ll say he’s the only example
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transfers don't just replace transfers...how's this so difficult for you.....
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is this Dabo's handle?????
you can use a transfer to replace a graduating/drafted player.
you can use a transfer to replace a player who transferred out.
you can even use a transfer to replace a player that is currently on your roster, but you need BETTER!!!!!!!!!........see Tristan Smith vs Cole Turner, but Dabo's trying his best to hide the fact that Tristan is LIGHT YEARS better than Cole by keeping him off the field.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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Really , how do you think Louisville , GaTech , and Duke for better than us almost overnite ? The portal is a reality and the teams that use it will continue to do well . Nick Saban is smarter than you or I and he admitted he left because of the portal . He has also stated that Dabo has to change in order to be successful again .
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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You gave thoughtful and interesting analysis.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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I appreciate the acknowledgement. Sincerely.
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to get an answer one would have to want Dabo fired now...not many want that.....
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that's the where many of you go wrong..........you mistake being critical and wanting Clemson to be better with "oh they just want Dabo gone".........couldn't be further from the truth. Many want him to adapt to the times and change some approaches to the way he acquires talent and hires coaches.
thinking every fan frustrated with Dabo/the program wants him fired is ignorant and shortsighted.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:10 PM
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False statement about Dabo's worst equals Danny's best. Danny competed in a pretty tough acc. ACC is a heck of a lot weaker than it was.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 7:11 PM
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I’ve looked at the records, have you? My statement is a fact.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 8:34 PM
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Not only do I know them, i went to every home game and most of the away games under Danny. You're cherry picking data worse than judge Keller in bball and Brad's records.
It's false because one of Danny's best was a natty. I was unaware Dabo won a natty in one of his 6 worst.
Even at that, in my original statement it's apples and oranges. It's the same thing I told Keller, you simply cannot compare # of wins, or win percentage when two coaches didn't play the same number of games.
As for saying we're not uga, Bama or whoever. Dabo even said he didn't want Clemson to be those other teams. He wanted Clemson to be the gold standard. There's no reason we can't be.
As for replacing Dabo. That's as dumb a question as a poster wanting to fire Dabo. I don't know a single fan that wants Dabo fired.
The posts I've seen suggested that Dabo may want to step away if coaching in today's landscape is not in his DNA.
As for your other synopsis on cheating and money. Technically, you could make that argument, but at one point, the ncaa had real teeth and the environment was much more level after the 85 schollys was implemented.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 8:55 PM
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Alumni base and revenue… we literally can’t be those schools.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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This unfortunately is our reality and I imagine will be why I no longer watch CFB. I give it 3 years. If you think I am the only one you would be mistaken. I already do not watch many games outside of Clemson. And this is coming from a former Saturday CFB couch potato.
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Yes it was.***
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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The vast majority don’t want Dabo replaced. They want him to wake up and get real coaches in here who can develop players and come up with competitive game plans. That along with fixing his horrible roster management.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 7:13 PM
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He’s in the process of doing that. As I mentioned, Venables lost to sc his first couple years.
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I hope he is, but most think he has not taken it far enough and has waited too long.
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He’s been in the process of fixing things for 5 years. His refusal to adapt, along with bad coaching/position hires, have set Clemson back years behind other programs. We were on the mountain top in 2019 and we had the brand and momentum, now we’re irrelevant.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 7:45 PM
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Being on the mountaintop for a brief blip can be done by many programs, that are very, very good but not great. Auburn, Florida, FSU, LSU, etc. We are, historically, not at the level of blueblood programs. Dabo already created an absurd, historical anomaly winning us 2 natties in five years. The idea that this somehow changes the broad scope of history and makes this doable for decade upon decade into the future is not realistic. We are not a blueblood, and an amazing 5 year run doesn’t change that. Thus, as harsh as it may be, realistic expectations are needed with decision making. We should expect far better than this year’s record. But seeing the last handful of years as failures is just absurd. We can aim for 10 wins, but to consistently compete with the likes of Bama or OSU year on year is living in a fantasy land.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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So, we bend over and accept the suck and allow Dabo to run the program as he wishes, because we’re not Alabama and will never be like an Alabama? We should learn to be happy with a 10 win season and shut up. I bet you were mad when Tommy Bowden was fired.
Sorry, I believe in Clemson and am loyal to Clemson. Not Dabo Swinney.
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exactly
Oct 21, 2025, 7:58 PM
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there is zero reason a team like vandy should be better than us.
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:40 PM
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He is absolutely not in the process of doing that. Deciding to go all-in on modern college football would require that Dabo, the most “holier than thou” coach in college football, completely flip on his “morals” and look like an idiot for being too stubborn to adapt. Dabo would rather run over someone than replace his seniors with transfers that are 100% better. You need to wake up
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 8:00 PM
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The idea that a coach that has won two titles won’t play who’s best is simply disingenuous. There are always more nuanced reasons why a freshman will not immediately start, for instance. Coaches across the country make the same decisions all the time. It’s like some here claiming that Denson is already a superstar and Dabo just won’t let him play for some, conniving conspiratorial reason!
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I dare you to state on here that Cole Turner is a better receiver than Tristan Smith. Given how many more snaps he’s received, the coaches seem to think so. No, Dabo absolutely will go with the loyal veteran guy over a talented and confident freshman/sophomore. Travis Etienne didn’t start as a freshman half way through 2017; Cole freakin Stout started over Deshaun Watson
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Got crickets when I mentioned the TSmith-Cole Turner snaps earlier
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It’s a complete JOKE that Cole Turner sees the field more than Tristan.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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It absolutely is a moral issue for Dabo. He thinks that it is wrong to allow players to transfer like they are and that it would be disloyal to bring in a transfer that could receive starting reps over a guy who’s been committed to Clemson since high school. He also isn’t willing to contact a player who’s not already in the portal like every other coach in the country. Try again
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Our coordinators are Garrett Riley and Tom Allen. They aren’t "real coaches"? They were two of the most high profile and sought after coordinators on the market, before they came here. People go on about a "friends and family" network, yet Wes Godwin seems to have been more affective with our defense so far than Allen in many ways!
I remember a few weeks back there was a "list" some where posting of supposed "nepotism coaches" at Clemson. When looked into it turned out to be far less than on the surface. We were looking at analysts, many already with non-Clemson experience in said roles before. And some alleged "nepotism connections" were like having former Bama QB Andrew Zow as an offense gameplan analyst. He had years of coaching experience in high school roles before in his resume and his only "nepotism" I guess would be that he and Dabo both started at Bama in different years of course!
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I think I speak for the majority here. We want Dabo to adapt.
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And if he is unwilling to then bye. 11.5 million is a lot of money.
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Re: I think I speak for the majority here. We want Dabo to adapt.
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"Adapt" in what way he isn’t already doing?? Once we hit 19 portal players, but not 20!, that’ll be good?? The portal isn’t a magical panacea, statistically most players that go through it are no better at their next destination. A whole team approach, where coaches and players improve is the only answer… not some magical quick fix scheme!
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Hes been ignoring the portal since the inception.
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Don’t get disingenuous, you know what we mean.
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Re: I think I speak for the majority here. We want Dabo to adapt.
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But are last year's actions the new normal or an outlier for Dabo. I think that Dabo tried to make the correct changes, but this year has been disappointing. Does he blame it on the changes he made and return to 0 transfers, hiring from within and showing unjustified loyalty to some coaches and players?
I was happy with Dabo's moves last year. On the surface they seemed like they should have helped. They didn't, so we should not stick with the status quo next year. We need to bring in more transfers. In my opinion the 3-5 range with 1 being a QB. Unless something changes drastically the remainder of the year Riley needs to be shown the door and the new OC needs to have free reign. Grisham needs to be shown the door regardless. It would not hurt my feelings if the Allen experiment was ended, although I would be amazed if that happens.
Dabo did not admit anything was wrong, much less adapt, until the evidence could no longer be denied. Why should I not have a fear that he will return to previous habits after a poor year? More changes need to be made for next year whether they prove to be right or not. I just don't know that they will.
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Ha - you said smart people on TNet. Actually it’s a bunch of homers that obsess over SCar and won’t accept Dabo isn’t King of college football
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pre and post Brent Venables
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is exactly the same ... it's called a bell curve in Math
Dabo just happened to be HC
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Who do you think hired him…. Venables was just demoted at Oklahoma when Dabo hired him. Give him a couple years with Allen
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Brent played in BCS titles . Clemson wasn't his first Natty experience
and wasn't promoted because he wasn't Stoops blood
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Re: pre and post Brent Venables
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You're giving Brett Venable's way too much credit. Just like people give Jeff Scott way too much credit. The reason Brent venables was successful was because of Christian Wilkins, Austin Bryant, Dexter Lawrence, Clelin Ferrell, etc.
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Re: pre and post Brent Venables
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Many are already "crowning" Venables as the whole reason behind Dabo’s success and Dabo had nothing to do with it. This is before Venables as won anything of significance at OU yet even! Putting aside the fact that OU is an extremely easier build of a program than Clemson.
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Jeff Scott OC or WR coach? The same WR's digressed the year after he left and has been a poor position group until this year. I have to wonder if their performance this year might have something to do with him being back in the area with the behind the scenes advice. Success as an OC might be overstated, but no way was his influence on the wide outs.
As for Venables, are there any thoughts that Bresee, Woods, Parker, and Murphy would have been comparable to the guys that you mentioned had they been in a Venables defense? Like our wide outs after the departure of Scott, Bresee and Murphy seemed to digress after Venables and Bates left. Maybe because of injury or maybe not. Venables gets too much credit? Maybe. Would our defense be better with him? Undoubtably.
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100% correct. We have had a lot of great seasons Im completely discombobulated by this season. I have never seen any thing like it. I don’t think anyone understands what has happened this year so far. How did we lose to Syracuse?
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Syracuse built their lead on us when they still had Steve Angeli at QB. Before going out for the season, he was near the top of QB leaderboards across college football. Rickie Nelson was able to come in and get the team through a quarter or so with an already built lead. But the second he had to start full games, Syrcause’s season has fallen apart.
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Coach Swinney needs balance offensive
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along with Brooks and Hobby on defense.
All the above coaches jelled and presented
balanced opposition to Coach Swinney. It worked
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:24 PM
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So you are magically leaving out the 6-7 2010 season and potentially losing season this year. Got it. Plus they only played 11 regular season games in the 80s and no ACC championship game.
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This is the argument of a child.
People will name someone and no matter who it is, you won’t accept it.
But worse than that, just think how stupid your demand is. Fans see what they see no matter what Dabo says in an attempt to convince them otherwise. Fans know this isn’t working. They’re right to blame the guy at the top. And they absolutely are more than justified in drawing the conclusion that he’s not doing what needs to be done in this era.
And you think they have to choose the new coach? Which brings us back to how you’ll object no matter what name is offered up.
Go back to your pillow fort after you finish your homework.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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I am dumber for reading all that drivel. May God have mercy on your soul.
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Read the room Bob Marley.***
Oct 19, 2025, 7:50 PM
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People right now are emotionally pissed because of the hype this offseason which was obviously ridiculous but hard not to get caught up in. Dabo is making moves and trying to build this program back. He’s made clear changes the last two off seasons. Without him Clemson is nothing more than a mid ACC team. With him we at least have a chance at building it back. If he fails he fails, but he’s our best shot at getting back.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 8:08 PM
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This season has highlighted just how irrelevant preseason rankings are and likely will progressively be going forward in college football. Penn State and Texas (who should’ve lost again to UK yesterday) are our fellow examples in that this year.
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Curt Cignetti, Lane Kiffin, Dan Lanning…I’ll give more if needed. You and others cannot understand that Dabo WAS a great college football coach when it was college football. It is no longer that. It is roster management through writing checks, contacting people’s representation and being cut throat to win, even if it means telling some of your players to go elsewhere if they aren’t cutting it. Dabo is not willing or equip to make Clemson serious about winning at this time. It’s not the 1990s anymore grandpa, and nobody cares if we are slightly better than we were then. Dabo has established a new standard, is getting paid millions of dollars, and is failing, dragging his and Clemson’s representation into the mud
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Kiffin would be fun.
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Kiffin has never won anything
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:57 PM
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in any era. He’s in the same category as Franklin, Lincoln Riley, Steve Sarkisian, Mike Leech (RIP), etc…
Nothing against him, but he’s always good for a couple inexplicable losses and he never stays anywhere very long.
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If programs waited to hire someone only after they had won something, no coaches would’ve ever been hired. Dabo sure hadn’t won anything before becoming our head coach. Nick Saban didn’t win anything before becoming LSU’s head coach. Kirby Smart didn’t win anything before becoming Georgia’s head coach. What Kiffin has done is made Ole Miss into a consistent top-10 team and has fully embraced college football for what it is in 2025, which is the exact opposite trajectory of where we are headed now
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Kiffin was a candidate for the Clemson job when TB left.
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The sample size is pretty large.
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Dabo is good for a 3-4 record and five straight home losses to power four teams, some I’m not sure what your point is
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Lane has had seasons worse than any Dabo has ever had
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and has never won a National Championship, P5 Conference Championship, or even made a playoff game.
How can you not get that point?
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Re: Lane has had seasons worse than any Dabo has ever had
Oct 19, 2025, 10:36 PM
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Dabo has done nothing in college football in the era it is now. THIS IS A DIFFERENT SPORT THAN IT WAS PRE 2020. How do you not understand that?
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Dabo won 2 P5 Conference Championships
Oct 20, 2025, 12:27 AM
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since 2020, Lane has none.
Again, no knock on Lane, he has averaged 9.75 wins/season since 2020, but his post season track record isn’t great.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 8:13 PM
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Cignetti is a flash in the pan in the historical realm of college football. Wake me when he’s won a natty or at least kept IU in the top 10 for 5-plus seasons. When he has to play OSU he will get plastered just like he did last time, and against ND last year too.
It’s relatively easy to be on a "mountaintop" for a blip in time (like say 5 years or less). Heck Florida, LSU, FSU, Auburn, etc. do it all the time… occasionally even roping in a title. That’s the difference between programs like that and actual bluebloods: Bama and OSU. That constantly have 10 plus wins and constantly are angling for yet another title in the AP Poll Era.
Kiffin will never win a natty. And Lanning, while a quality coach, will never win one at Oregon. If not for the fact that Oregon will never get over the hump, they’ve proven themselves unable just like the Buffalo Bills can’t win a Super Bowl!!
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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Are you a f***in psychic or something? “They’re never won it, so they never will” is so ridiculously idiotic. WHY won’t they win it? Did Dabo win anything at all before coming to Clemson? And in case you didn’t notice, their programs are leagues ahead of where we are right now
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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Indiana has two years of this… that’s hardly putting them on a power pedestal. Is what they are doing now impressive, of course. But, it is presently made up of beating no one last year… with their only really opponents (OSU and ND) smacking them around for most of those games. And this year, where they "shocked" everyone and beat perennial short comers Oregon… who can never get over the hump and actually win anything of significance. Which is why despite all those Nike resources their O logo still matches how many natties their program has in its history.
Thus, Indiana is presently the flavor of the month… or flash in the pan (thus far) as I noted. The Cignetti love will fade once he is shown unable to compete with OSU, if he has to come up against them. Franklin had those chances and see how it turned out for him at a fair more historic program of course.
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Dabo
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Because he is the ACC Championship winner for the next few weeks or so
And he's won it a lot
And add in 2 Nattys
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Re: Dabo
Oct 19, 2025, 7:42 PM
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Different time, different sport. College football is not the same as the NFL, which it is more similar to now than it is to what college football was when we won those natties
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Danny’s two worse seasons were 6-6 and 6-5. I sat through everyone of Danny’s home games. Not once did I feel that Ford had the program on a downward trajectory. His teams did not sweat third and short either which seems to be a new trademark of Clemson football.
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As far as replacement, Dabo does not need to be fired YET. Keep in mind the blue bloods were already have him out the door. He does need to let his coordinators hire their own staff.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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Danny’s two worse seasons were 6-6 and 6-5. I sat through everyone of Danny’s home games. Not once did I feel that Ford had the program on a downward trajectory. His teams did not sweat third and short either which seems to be a new trademark of Clemson football.
Great post ! So true about Danny never being on a downward trajectory. The only slippage was due to probation. He rebounded from that quickly.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 7:45 PM
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I’m with you.
Dabo is the best option we have right now. He’s a smart man, and although he was probably late to recognize the cracks that were forming, I think he now realizes the hole we’re in.
It’s not like he hasn’t been trying to make changes the last few years. He has, but it hasn’t been enough. He deserves a few years to get it back on track. I don’t believe this is a 1-2 year fix.
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in this CFB era he can flip it in a year........no doubt........
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the only doubtful part is if he'll do what it takes to flip it...........the last five years tell me NO.
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thank you...
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Dabo's people will make non stop excuses to justify the lack of what he is doing.
I want Dabo to stay at Clemson, but he needs to admit he was wrong, and make big changes.
Not some half assed effort and wait a few years to see how it goes.
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lol...
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sure just a few more years. Some of you guys will go off a cliff for Dabo. He screwed up what he had going, and a large segment of the fanbase just lapped it up and believed all his bs.
If Dabo had any stones, he would put up part of his salary to help the cause.
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Re: lol...
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Trust me - I definitely think he screwed up by surrounding himself with coaches who are friends/family and lack experience.
I never got the Wes hire, but I was excited about several of the other hires. Riley, Luke, Eason, Rumph, Allen. For whatever reason, it hasn't come together.
I think he needs to can CJ, possibly Grisham, and make some changes on the defensive side… along with cutting ties with several support team members who have no business being on staff. I think Riley is gone after this year, and I think I’m OK with that.
He needs a personality like Venables to balance him out, and I was hoping we’d get that with Allen. Too early to tell at this point, but it hasn’t looked good at times.
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I would love to have Dillingham from Arizona State. 35 years of age and has no problem using the portal. He would have beaten Texas in the playoffs last year if it wasn't for a bogus pi call late in the game.
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:16 PM
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ASU had to have an other worldly performance by a seminal player in Skattebo to even be in the game. They were lucky to be in the game against Texas and would’ve gotten utterly demolished if they had to play OSU.
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that there are a lot of smart people on T-net
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Ultimate Tiger [33306]
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:12 PM
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You can argue that Florida St and the portal has been a bust.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 8:23 PM
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The response to that here seems to be either, "we’ll never take THAT many portal players! We’ll take 19 but not 20!" Or, "Mike Norvell just sucks, you can’t blame the portal blame him!" 😂
Any argument back against the magical portal is not allowed!
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Game Changer [1751]
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 8:35 PM
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Alright. Tell us what the solution is to this absolute #### show of a program we have now if not rebuilding the coaching staff with experienced guys and bringing in a haul of players who are excited to play at Clemson via the portal
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 8:47 PM
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As usual in most things, there are no easy answers to complex problems. All the players, coaches, etc. need to fix a multitude of things. Would it be good to use the portal more, yeah probably. But to act like that is going to solve everything is not realistic.
To quote HL Mencken, "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." Not saying the portal is "wrong"… but you get the drift!
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Ring of Honor [23074]
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It's a false premise HLRT
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:48 PM
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Dabo has been a grand slam even with the team's step back since 2020.
No one could have given you Dabo's name in 2008-09, and no one was hungrier than Dabo Swinney through 2021-22. Now that hungry man has been satiated, and he's making certain his close friends and sons have a seat at the table with or without comparable results.
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Orange Blooded [2439]
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This^^^^
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Oct 19, 2025, 9:21 PM
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I don’t know if you want to compare Danny to Dabo for this argument. For starters, Danny never lost his edge nor a losing record in shortened seasons.
The ACC was also a more competitive conference, with 6 different conference champions during Danny’s tenure. There were only a fraction of ACC members then.
This line of argument feels like you’re diminishing DF’s legacy here at Clemson - and that doesn’t sit well with me.
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Athletic Dir [1168]
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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Oct 19, 2025, 9:15 PM
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If we arent Alabama, Michigan, OSU, etc then why do we pay Dabo as if we are? Weve invested a top tier salary yet we are being told to accept bottom tier results. If we arent those bluebloods you listed (I agree) then lets invest that money elsewhere. We can have a 3-4 season for a lot less money.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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Oct 19, 2025, 9:31 PM
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Exactly. Dabo and his people are being paid millions for the crap product that’s been put on the field. Meanwhile, fans are expected to fork out the money and time for IPTAY, tickets, parking. The premise that fans should shut up and not have questions about what is going on is absolutely absurd.
Cut Dabo’s salary in half, along with his friends and family on the payroll, cut our ticket prices in half and then we should only hope for 10 win seasons. Also, I believe it is Dabo who tells everyone pre-season that his teams can go all the way.
He’s paid like a blue blood school coach so produce like a blue blood school coach.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 10:28 PM
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That is an important element to mention. Dabo’s salary is certainly "generous"! I think this can be viewed together with a few things. One, Dabo accomplishing the amazing feats he has at Clemson lead so many, specifically the actual decision makers, to say "pay him whatever he wants! We need him forever!" This has happened ridiculously quicker in the case of Cignetti at IU. He literally got that massive contract just because he beat Oregon… a team that is a master at never winning the grand prize and at always coming up short despite all that Nike money!
Before this year, Cignetti’s heralded season last year was based on playing an extremely friendly Big Ten schedule and getting waxed when he actually had to play the likes of OSU and ND. Yeah, they made the ND score competitive at the end, but anyone watching the game saw ND dominant for the large bulk of that one.
Lastly, coaches salaries are insane! This has been noted by many. Definitely one of the reasons it’s so good to see the players finally get their chunk of the pie with how much money is made by college football in the US. Deion Sanders has around a $10 million a year coaching contract now at Colorado. Granted his comes from his name recognition and the media circus he can bring, but it just shows how much money coaches can rake in!
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Orange Blooded [2447]
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 20, 2025, 12:48 AM
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Cignetti did not get paid for beating Oregon. He got paid because Oregon beat Penn State and started the downfall of James Franklin. If Indiana had not paid Cignetti, then he would have been coaching at PSU or Florida next year.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 9:25 PM
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I don’t think we need to replace Dabo yet. He has earned the right to correct the issues. Part of that will be to adapt to this new age of CFB. Next year has me extremely concerned at this point. The coaching issues within the ranks are glaring at this point. Riley was not who we thought he was and I am not a fan of Allen’s defensive philosophy. Many position coaches are not performing either. Those calling for Dabo at this point are crazy. Now if he does not take action to try to address the roster issues this offseason then that is on him. If he try’s and cannot land players, I will give him a pass.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
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Oct 19, 2025, 9:26 PM
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I don’t want to replace dabo, but I do wish he would change his outlook on hiring all his friends and family.
I think the portal debate is already a moot point because portal players are making an impact on every team, even Clemson with heldt and smith. We would be worse without those guys, so the debate is over. Dabo should use the portal more.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 19, 2025, 10:39 PM
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This "Dabo is hiring his friends and family" claim doesn’t seem to have evidence behind it. Obviously, Garrett Riley and Tom Allen aren’t Dabo’s family and aren’t known to have been his close friends before being hired. They were two of the most sought after coordinators though!
A few weeks back a "nepotism list" was posted here. Turned out it was a list of some analysts, and included things like offensive gameplan analyst Andrew Zow. Who was a Bama QB back in the late ‘90s/early 2000s. After his playing career, Zow went on to have a variety of high school coaching positions throughout the state of Florida. His only "nepotism connection" to Dabo would I guess be they both have a connection to Bama???
As for the portal, using it more could likely help. Heldt has played well. Tristan Smith has had limited snaps, put many here seem to think he’s a "star" already, just being "held back" by Dabo. Many of these seem to say the same thing about players like Chris Denson at QB and even Pearman at that position! Not sure how they get Pearman, last time we saw him he was fumbling the ball at the goal line.
Some even have stated they want the portal to be used to "pressure our starters!", almost like it’s some kind of leverage, "better do as we say!" type move. No program uses it like that. They look for players they think are potential stars or in areas they have gaps in within their roster. Lastly, it’s always just brushed aside that the majority of portal players don’t do any better at their new destination and mass portal users like Norvell have had 2-10 seasons at FSU. That’s often met with, "we won’t take that many from the portal!" or just "Can’t use Norvell as an example, it’s not the portal… he just sucks!"
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Oct 20, 2025, 12:21 AM
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 20, 2025, 1:29 AM
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First, it’s an interesting question-thanks.
Second, what you seem to be asking is for others to submit their opinions and ideas as well as answers to questions that have been recirculated over and over in many different variations. The results? When people do attempt to analyze, offer ideas or opinions, the vast majority are gas lighted, straw manned, or any number of different tactics to minimize, disregard atttack, etc. I’m not saying you do that but many do. Any disagreement with that?
You seem to be using an argument and comparison of apples and oranges. If you were a financial planner, you would know, past performance NEVER is a PREDICTOR of future returns. Agree or disagree?
I’m not a coach. I’m not a D1 athelete. I coached my kids. Can we agree, if a person here offers an opinion, without clearly stating they are an analyst or D1 coach, or in the system and being PAID to be in the system, then no one’s opinion is any better or worse than the last or next one?
To be clear, you are stating as fact/assumption/opinion on the “always competed under the table”, as 100% supportable fact? For how long?
I could have never predicted Dabo would be, the next great coach? Did you? If you were or were not “all in” when he was named interim coach-great. That means, you either were willing to take a chance on an unproven coach or you weren’t. Which were you?
Sure sure-I get why you’re asking for others to name names…., but If, IF, you were unsure, as many were, then why would you not entertain the exact same idea and possibility there may be another great coach and fit for this team now, in the obviously diff environment. Unless you don’t feel the environment and changes that have occurred in CFB have any impact on coaching. Do you agree, CFB coaching /CFB recruiting has changed in the past 5 years? Is there a top 10 team, right now, where the coaching / recruiting philosophy has not changed in past 5 years?
Agree, Clemson is not ANY of those other teams. Alas, at one time, not so long ago, there was a coach at Clemson who did aspire to be better than those teams-even beat a few of them(I was at one). To have Best as Standard.
Can you honestly say you are happy? Can you honestly say YOU wouldn’t make any changes? That this team and coaches, are performing to your standards? If winning, where the fun is, isn’t happening, that you’re completely content and have no critical thoughts to share yet ask that of others?
Playing guessing games and magical thinking is just that, magical. It’s also in the eye of the beholder….many do see what’s happening and are not happy. They are not allowed to share that on here without the debate shifting FROM being about a JOB DESCRIPTION to the FEELINGS/OPINIONS/BELIEFS projected about a PERSON.
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 20, 2025, 2:00 AM
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Smarter yes . .because it's not "is", it's "are". smh
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You are not very smart if you think we want Dabo fired. WE WANT HIM TO ADAPT.***
Oct 21, 2025, 7:36 AM
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Clemson Icon [24057]
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Re: Clearly there is a lot of smart people here on TNet
Oct 21, 2025, 7:46 AM
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😆😅🤣
GO TIGERS!!!
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Orange Blooded [2179]
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Re: Your stat on Danny and Dabo is way off...
Oct 21, 2025, 7:28 PM
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How are you computing that?
In Danny's best 6 years it was 60-8-2.... I get what you were saying though.
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