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Its not Riley, Its Cade
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I was critical of Riley after last season and the LSU game. After going back and watching the tape on the first 2 games, the play calling isn’t the issue. It’s the lack of execution and Cade missing wide open reads. He’s forgotten how to read a defense (maybe that’s on Riley). Cade has been making terrible decisions and he is to experienced for that. If something doesn’t change this week, it’s going to be a loooong season.
https://youtu.be/PfDJVSoyPeU?si=9RQCDmtTcIlYoY-s
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Tyler brown is open almost every snap he’s in the game….
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Just like Williams. But for some reason he’s not seeing Brown the same as Williams. I don’t understand.
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The main takeaway from the breakdown video is Cade's biggest issue is timing.
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Sep 10, 2025, 9:03 AM
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That should have been the primary focus of the offseason for the OC. I'm guessing he was assuming it would just work itself out naturally. They should've had drilled him to death on that internal clock. If the ball is out on time and marginally accurate then the defense really has no shot at defending it. I mean watch how both LSU and Troy did our defense. IT wasn't that our defense was bad it was that they got the ball out on time. LSU had less errant throws than Troy. Had Troy's QB not made a handful of bad throws who knows what the outcome would've been.
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Joe Brady drill with Joe Burrow at LSU
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Sep 11, 2025, 6:19 AM
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Brady, now Josh Allen/Bills OC, ran a drill with Burrow at LSU where he would blow a horn at practice on passing drills. Burrow had a set small number of seconds to release the ball. When the horn was blown, the play was dead. The drill forced Burrow to release the ball quickly…
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Orange Blooded [2225]
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Re: Joe Brady drill with Joe Burrow at LSU
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Sep 11, 2025, 9:08 AM
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Riley has too many options on routine plays, which leaves Cade holding the ball too long.
We need to focus on quick hitting plays, and not running between the tackles.
Run Randall off tackle, motion wide receiver sweeps, wide receiver screens, tight end curls, slot receiver slants, Cade roll outs…..
Bang bang plays, not slow developing triple read options….
Get aggressive on offense, attack, deep throws too…. Coach Allen has our defense playing aggressive, attacking.
Cade can execute, keep the game moving fast, we run a slow offense now?
Figure it out, we have the players….
Go Tigers, Beat Georgia Tech!!
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Gridiron Giant [15607]
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Its not timing nearly as much as field vision.
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Sep 11, 2025, 1:50 PM
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Coached every single day.
A coach can’t walk out there and hold a QBs hand.
Nothing we saw against LSU or Troy as far as Cade is a coaching issue. Cade has been taught and has proven his skillset.
Cade failed because of his own head. He admitted as much. You can only coach a guys head so much, and we have a team psychologist who “coaches” him too. You can lead a horse to water…
That’s all there is to it.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 11:19 AM
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Brown, Williams, Westco and Moore are all open even before they come off from the sidelines or break the huddle...not sure what Cade sees or doesn't see.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 11, 2025, 3:37 AM
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Why aren't you clear, it's perfectly clear that he's not seeing the open receivers and it's bc he isn't looking for guys wearing a Clemson uniform that's all alone or the guys that has more than enough separation on his defender, and that tells me that his mind can't process the plays fast enough. IMO he is hearing footsteps that isn't there bc in his head he wants the big play over taking what the defense gives him...
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To me it is both
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Sep 10, 2025, 6:29 AM
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Riley abandoned the run during the LSU game. Riley also has not quickly adjusted plays for what Cade is capable of doing.
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Paw Warrior [4700]
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Re: To me it is both
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That is my only criticism of Riley’s gameplan against LSU. When he realized Cade forgot how to execute even the most elementary of plays, he should’ve gone to the run.
I think the coaches saw a different Cade in practice. Now, they are realizing he has regressed and is scared. I think we will see them commit more to the run game earlier.
Cade is cooked though man. Unless he has an epiphany this week, we may want to try Vizzina
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Re: To me it is both
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Sep 10, 2025, 7:02 AM
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Run game will get stoned again just like LSU because they are expecting it. Cade must be able to execute the quick game like Nuss did game 1. GT is going to bring the house!!!
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We CANT run
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Sep 10, 2025, 8:08 AM
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Cade has to step up. There is no running game to bail him out when hes struggling.
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Orange Blooded [2350]
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If Cade would actually hit the open guys like brown.....
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Sep 10, 2025, 8:40 AM
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Then the box would lighten and the run game would appear consistently again. Until Cade makes the defense pay for stacking the box, it'll be more of the same. Riley can help that though. Yes, Brown on drag routes have been open a ton so far, but if we need to call more jet sweeps and reverses and use more motion pre-snap, then Riley needs to do more to help the QB until his head is in the game.
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Re: We CANT run
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I don’t think it’s we can’t run as much as we don’t run. Riley wants to pass every down with a token run once in a while. The token runs are generally unimaginative like straight up the middle. Not enough misdirection, sweeps, motion, etc. If he would develop the run game more, it would open up the play action more (e.g. Troy early second half). We are just too predictable and we compound our woes with poor execution.
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National Champion [7892]
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Re: To me it is both
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Sep 10, 2025, 7:10 AM
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Maybe he’s unsure of what Cade is capable of doing (in game). Happy feet and big-eyed doesn’t bode well for execution. He either can’t see or is afraid to pull the trigger to the open receivers.
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Re: To me it is both
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If a team is sending the house and stoning you running the ball yet you have hot reads and receivers wide open that's a trigger man issue. You can spin it however you want other than 1 read easy throws to start and get into rhythm there isn't much more as a coordinator you can do. Hindsight is 20/20 maybe run more H2 vs Lsu but you should be able to trust a senior qb who has proven it yet looking like his 23 version again.
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Paw Warrior [4700]
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Re: To me it is both
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Sep 10, 2025, 8:42 AM
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I agree with what you’re saying but only having 1 rushing attempt the entire 2nd half was absolutely unacceptable.
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We absolutely did not have a very creative run plan against LSU
Sep 11, 2025, 1:53 PM
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Nonetheless the playcalls were absolutely good enough to win the game. We lost the game because Cade missed numerous receivers all night, including two in the last two, most critical plays of the game.
Granted some creative run plays would have stopped that blitz, but the same can be said of Cade hits half the passes he left on the field.
About 90-10 or 95-5, on the QB.
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Gridiron Giant [15607]
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All the play calls were ones Cade is *capable of doing
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He didn’t, and that’s on him. Period. He owned it - not sure why some fans don’t listen to him instead of making up narratives that aren’t fully true or true at all even.
Again, they were winning play calls. When you have multiple guys one on most plays, then it’s up to the QB to execute them. He was given basic and easy throws. Nothing overly complicated at all.
Simple committing to more run plays was NOT the answer. Now maybe we could have tried getting outside the tackles more in the run game, but again, the plays calls we did call were working as designed. Players, especially the most important one on the field, was put in position with basic playcalls. The QB didn’t get it done, that wa the story of the game.
Dabo called him out immediately after the game, and Cade fully 100% owned the next day after seeing himself on film.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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I really hope Dabo can get a real QB in here next year. I don’t want to see our WRs leave because of a seniority system that will place Vizzina at the helm, just because…
Lagway needs to be here next year if Napier is fired.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 6:44 AM
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😆😅🤣
GO TIGERS!!!
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 6:44 AM
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I’d like to at least see what Vizzina can do.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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We have. It’s not been good. This is the season to see what he has if they can get a big lead sometime soon. He hasn’t looked the part from what I’ve seen.
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Paw Warrior [4700]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 7:56 AM
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Big leads ain’t happening lol. I don’t think Vizzina could be any worse than Cade. He looked good in the spring game.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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I don’t think any group of 4 QB has looked as bad as ours through 2 games. At least ranked teams.
If this one gets away, it’s time to look toward the future. Somebody on this team has to be able to hit the open man, the hot throws, and see the field.
3.4 million dollars. Holy cow.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 9:46 PM
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With the sad state of our OL, no QB is going to look good.
W/o protection, our QB's will continue to look like deer running for their lives.
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That video really surprised me
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Sep 10, 2025, 6:53 AM
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the other day when I watched it. Eric really laid it out clearly.
It’s so obvious on film. The coaches know what’s happening and you have to think they worked with Cade. Which would mean either he’s refusing to do what he needs to, or he’s just not capable of it.
Those are the only two options and I’m going with the latter choice.
Hopefully something, ANYTHING, changes.
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Re: That video really surprised me
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💯—!!
Spot on
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 6:56 AM
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That is some pitiful stuff.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 6:58 AM
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Even if Cade turned into Superman over night he can't do anything with that OL we have. They are awful. And then there's the D.
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Paw Warrior [4700]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 7:05 AM
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The OL definitely needs to play better but they have played well enough to win. So has the defense.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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I don’t think Klubnik forgot how to read defenses. I don’t think he has ever learned how. Combine that with his jumpiness or yips or big game anxiety - whatever you want to call it - is a bad combination. Maybe the latter affects his ability to show he knows how to read a defense, but he struggles with even low level competition so I think it’s a combination of both.
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Paw Warrior [4700]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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You may be right. Maybe, it’s all getting exposed this year.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 6:59 AM
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Then bring in Vizzina
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Paw Warrior [4700]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 7:04 AM
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That’s about where I’m at after seeing his game film. Vizzina can’t be any worse.
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Okay. But
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Sep 10, 2025, 7:06 AM
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It’s ultimately Riley’s responsibility.
He has to coach up Cade (and the rest of the offense) to run the plays, make the correct reads, etc.
Riley’s job is not only to call plays.
It’s not a video game.
He’s getting paid Millions to get humans to perform.
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Re: Okay. But
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Sep 10, 2025, 7:08 AM
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How do you get a Veteran QB to know that 4 defenders on 3 wide receivers is a no go?
That’s first grade math.
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Re: Okay. But
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Sep 10, 2025, 7:11 AM
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I don’t get paid $2 Million/year to know that.
Ask him.
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National Champion [7892]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 7:20 AM
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Do the coaches review this game tape with Cade - this isn’t play calling or scheme?
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 7:41 AM
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This is obvious to anyone paying attention. How would you know? Ask yourself, who on this offense looks developed? Multiple RB's who've been in the system but a WR's the best option? 3-4 year starters on the o-line who are average to bad at best. Superstar receivers who have regressed. That's not on Cade, that's on Riley.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Dude…. Please watch the video, ok?
There’s no way you watched the video and then wrote that..
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Paw Warrior [4700]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 8:05 AM
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Our 2 RBs that have been in the system, Jarvis Green and Jay Haynes, are injured. If Haynes doesn’t get injured against SMU, I doubt Randall even goes to RB and he transfers.
With Green and Haynes injured that leaves EZ and a freshman Gideon.
Bryant Wesco, Antonio Williams, Tyler Brown, and Moore have all developed well. Cade has been hanging Brown and Moore out to dry this season. Moore needs to do better on contested catches.
The OL is on Matt Luke, one of the most coveted OL coaches in the country and a proven commodity.
Cade developed and improved immensely from 23 to 24.
So no, this isn’t all on Riley. Sure, he shares part of the blame as does Dabo. Something else is off with Cade. He’s worse than he was last season.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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No way you watched the video and still blame Riley. Those concepts were there I didnt watch the game live, because I was at another game, but rewatching this. I don't blame Riley. This is soley on the players. Cade had mistakes, Randall a first year collegiate running back, the OL needs to gel better. They have talent they just need to maintain their responsibilities. WHen you try to do too much you make mistake. Leaving gaps open that shouldnt be. Do what your position asks for and everything will be okay.
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This was pretty telling. Can Cade
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Sep 10, 2025, 8:12 AM
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get better at reading defenses? Can he suddenly acquire pocket presence? The two passing td's were like, "I'm gonna throw it. You go get it"
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If it were going to happen, it likely wouldve
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Sep 10, 2025, 8:19 AM
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by now. This is why I found his supposed 1st round draft grade puzzling. Cade struggles reading defenses, frequently gets the ball out late, and he gets a ton of passes deflected at the LOS (including the pick-6 last weekend).
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Re: This was pretty telling. Can Cade
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I’ll give him this, he sold the #### out of that fake handoff on the Wesco td.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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I would say it's 60/40 Cade, Riley still has some head scratching calls and abandons the run way to easy. We'll have 1st and 10 at the opponents 25 and call something he knows won't get anything just to waste a play, for instance LSU when he brings in the 2 back set with Adams getting the carry and Davidson the lead blocker.....makes 0 sense and a wasted play. Then will get pass happy and call 14 passing plays in a row. Cade imo just doesn't have what to takes to take the next step, mainly because it's the mental part that he should've already developed. He can't read a defense pre-snap, he never looks off a WR to fool the eyes of a defender, he's a telegraph machine the sec he takes the snap. He just doesn't see the field or chooses not to.
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and thats been my question of is who's job is it to prepare and train the QB
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to diagnose and get the ball out on time to the correct receiver? Its very possible that they do train and instruct him on where his eyes should be and he just malfunctions in the moment but by now the game should have slowed down enough to make the proper read. Drawing up and calling plays is only one aspect of an Offensive Coordinator. I assume they were drilling him over the summer on situational decision making. But if they just go through the motions in practice and he's still got it in his mind to hit the primary receiver only, then that's the problem.
I will admit that Cade has always been panicky as a QB but in his 4th Season you would think he would be well versed and drilled at the point of exhaustion by now. Making a mistake here and there is acceptable as no one is going to make the right decision 100% of the time but he's been probably 50% to this point of his career. Implementing the offense from playcalling to training is the job.
I watch alot of teams play and in comparison our offense is really clunky and uncertain. Its seems very hard for us to move the ball and has been that way for a while now. The long pass to Wesco late in the Troy game was the seal and even that play was very close to being stuffed. Everyone in the building was surprised we connected on that play. Yet Troys offense was fairly efficient and fluid. Even the errant passes the QB made were open. I never felt like our offense was as fluid and easy.
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Re: and thats been my question of is who's job is it to prepare and train the QB
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Riley (and Dabo) definitely share some of the blame. From what Dabo has said in his pressers, they are definitely telling Cade the right things to be looking at, because Dabo called him out for not seeing it.
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It's a lot of things.......
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the % of blame can be debated, but it's a lot right now and the last 4+ years.
-Cade's vision, patience, & decision making have been suspect
-the touted Oline has been suspect in run blocking and protection
-the WRs have no "fight" in them...........and have had inexplicable drops when cade actually does make the throw
-the RB position has a failed WR as the starter........a position we really shouldn't be in.
-the playcalling at times has been suspect, but considering the above mentioned issues...........there's not much to be confident about calling.
lots of issues........it all comes back on Dabo. Hopefully the first two games aren't indicative of how the season's about to go, but it looks eerily similar to the last 4+ years at the moment.
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Riley had coached CK for 3 yrs. Luke the OL for 2 yrs.
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Deficiencies seem more mental than lack of physical tasks. That indicates coaching more than player capability.
For the most part, Grisham has the WRs doing their jobs.
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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I think we should pick a random 4th stringer to blame everything on
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Dynasty Maker [3156]
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The tape is eye-opening to say the least***
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Sep 10, 2025, 2:46 PM
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Rock Defender [55]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 11, 2025, 8:00 AM
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It's both of their faults. GR doesn't adjust the gameplay, especially against the blitz. CK consistently misses open WRs by overthrowing them or not seeing them.
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Orange Blooded [2552]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 11, 2025, 8:14 AM
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I am no expert. I can conjecture with the rest of you. What I see on almost every play is his feet dancing up an down like he is mentally trying not to run away every play, but wants to. I see his head follow a single player...likely his primary read. All that said...I am probably full of crap and the truth is that I don't have more than 50 years of generally watching football as my basis of opinion.
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Valley Legend [12192]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 11, 2025, 9:26 AM
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Why does the O line get a pass? Matt Luke is not a miracle worker and his guys have to protect Cade and give him time.
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Game Changer [1700]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 11, 2025, 10:41 AM
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On most plays Cade has plenty of time, he just gets nervous and takes off. I would give Vazzina a chance to see what he can do before it’s too late.
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Orange Blooded [2552]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 11, 2025, 2:29 PM
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That will not happen. You know how QB loyal Dabo is. A change will not be made until it is too late to make a difference.
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Head Coach [997]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
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Sep 11, 2025, 1:28 PM
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Pretty eye opening for all who were sure issues were Riley.
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Paw Warrior [5046]
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At the end of the day
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Sep 11, 2025, 4:13 PM
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It’s really on the coaches. They need to prepare the players to execute the game plan that’s within their skill set. If the player, especially after 3 years of being in the system, is incapable of executing that plan, they need to be replaced by someone who can. Its also up to the coaches to plan for the next man up, if not in the current season then certainly before the start of the next one
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Offensive Star [337]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
Sep 11, 2025, 5:24 PM
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There are not too many good things that are gonna happen on offense if your offensive offensive line cannot block.
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Tiger Titan [48340]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
Sep 11, 2025, 6:30 PM
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And the OL. I don’t care what the OC calls if you can’t block it’s not going to work.
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Letterman [155]
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Re: Its not Riley, Its Cade
Sep 11, 2025, 8:09 PM
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Totally agree, so does Luginbill, McElroy, and McClean. No excuse, way too experienced.9
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