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They should hammer them. If this happened anywhere else
May 18, 2015, 2:05 PM
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including many SEC schools they would be splashed on the front of every newspaper and judged harshly. Hammer them. It was fraud. Fraud. They deserve legal action and punishment.
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Legend [19199]
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I'll add that they have squirmed out of it time and time
May 18, 2015, 2:07 PM
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again. It is time to pay the piper UNCheat.
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GT had to pay the piper and give up wins. Miami had to pay
May 18, 2015, 2:12 PM
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the piper and go on probation. Even we had to pay the piper in the 1980's. So, WHY should UNCheat escape?
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Re: 'UNC's "Regrettable Actions" do not mean legal action can
May 18, 2015, 2:13 PM
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Legend [17786]
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LOL at the Gamecock fan's response defending UNC
May 18, 2015, 3:45 PM
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two classy schools.
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Legend [17786]
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wow just read this. pathetic & grasping at straws. but i
May 18, 2015, 3:52 PM
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would do the same thing. they know what's coming and they are desperate.
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I like this paragraph. A lot.
May 18, 2015, 4:03 PM
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North Carolina said it is “not credible” that the former UNC players discovered the deficiencies in the classes in 2014, six to eight years after receiving class credit, and they could have complained or inquired about the academic soundness of the classes at the time. “Such deficiencies would be obvious to any college student, especially Plaintiffs who could compare these alleged ‘paper classes' to the rest of the admittedly sound classes they took during their enrollment at the University,” North Carolina wrote.
Yea, right, because it wouldnt have caused any reprecussions or loss of playing time or loss of scholarship or issues with teammates who were cheating or other students who were cheating or recruits who were told they could cheat----------
Yo, UNC, whistleblowers wait till later!!!
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"Regrettable Actions" is chapel hill speak for
May 18, 2015, 4:08 PM
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2 DECADES OF INSTITUTIONALIZED CHEATING!
(actually, it was much longer, but thats the limit the 5 or 6 investigations have been using)
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bottom line ...............
May 18, 2015, 4:32 PM
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It is a fact that all schools have classes that are easier to make a good grade in than many other classes. I took several at Clemson. The difference is ... these classes were NOT designed for me to keep me eligible to participate in NCAA SPORTS. I never took a class that didn't meet weekly and required nothing from me. Especially attendance! I expect that a lot of that has changed today with so many on- line classes but the FACT remains that institutional control was totally ignored for many years in blue heaven.
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Re: bottom line ...............
May 18, 2015, 7:18 PM
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I don't think its possible to wiggle out of 20 years of cheating .,. They played so many Ineligible players in football and basketball it will be hard to sort out .,
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Re: 'UNC's "Regrettable Actions" do not mean legal action can
May 18, 2015, 8:08 PM
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Oh Lord... Everybody piling on the Heels. As an alum of both institutions, punishment should be given where it is deserved. However, the actions of a few shouldn't detract from the wonderful academic institution that is UNC Chapel Hill. Research here saves lives, promotes innovation and drives technological advancements. When I was at Clemson, the engineering department was revered in a similar light and still is today. Go Tigers! Go Heels! None of this UNCheat bull... It's sad and unfortunate for the young athletes who trusted that their advisors had their best interests in mind.
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I'm sort of ambivalent as to what happens academically
May 18, 2015, 8:27 PM
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to the overall institution, but I want to see their sports programs brought to their knees.
I guess I just have a long memory and a grudge against the holier-than-thou attitude of their athletic department and their fans back when Clemson was on the receiving end.
The simple embarrassment of the prolonged scandal to their snooty academic reputation is enough for me, but the football and basketball programs have to serve some hard time! Period!!!
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Same here. Will never forget that.***
May 18, 2015, 8:29 PM
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Re: I'm sort of ambivalent as to what happens academically
May 18, 2015, 9:00 PM
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I'm in Chapel Hill now, and I'll go along with your sentiments toward the athletic program. Punishment should be severe. However, no one should wish ill towards an academic program... Even ambivalence is off putting to me. Strong academics across the country benefit everyone... We're all healthcare consumers at some point. It was a researcher awarded a grant for studying lymphocytic leukemia that saved my dad's life.
Snooty fans need to get a life... Odds are they've done nothing with theirs.
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Well now, the academic side did play along with the athletic
May 18, 2015, 10:10 PM
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side to perpetuate the bogus classes ... the whole situation is a hot mess and it's hard to empathize with anyone involved.
Honestly, if the academic side of UNC wants this thing to go away any time soon and get back to restoring their reputation, they need to self-impose some really meaningful and rigorous penalties on the athletic department.
PS: I fully agree that high level university medical research is important and I'm glad your loved one benefited.
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Re: Well now, the academic side did play along with the athletic
May 18, 2015, 10:34 PM
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Oh boy... Okay. Well, based on your reasoning, when a governor is indicted, then it must mean that all 49 other states in the union must have known about it and played part. Thus making the whole US government culpable.
At any given university there are undergraduate schools, graduate schools, school of medicine, etc. Under each school there are departments, and under each department there are divisions. Under each division there are degree programs.
We're talking about something that happened at the departmental level here. That's like the Rhode Island state legislature messing up, but we want to wag the finger at the nation. C'mon!
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Talk about a tortured rationalization ...
May 19, 2015, 9:55 AM
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Well, here's another one.
Clemson's entire football program (United States) served 2 years of NCAA probation ... and... an extra year of "ACC" punishment mostly because of small amounts of money paid to various recruits by a low level assistant coach and a rouge booster (Rhode Island) ...
Clemson and its Athletic Department and the former Head Football Coach were viewed as responsible for the actions of their subordinates and other individuals outside of their direct supervision.
It was deemed "Lack of Institutional Control" ... the institution was answerable for the actions of the offenders regardless.
Here's the situation and what needs to happen:
UNC as an institution and those in charge are responsible and answerable for what happens at all levels of their institution.
In order to give the appearance of remorse and to help restore academic credibility that has been lost, the university administration needs to take stringent action upon their own athletic programs in order to rectify their unbelievable lapse in institutional control ... either that or the NCAA needs to do it for them.
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Re: Talk about a tortured rationalization ...
May 19, 2015, 7:47 PM
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Apex, I agree 100%. Your thoughts on what needs to happen for involved parties references a chain of command - vertical responsibility. Great! However, unrelated schools, departments and divisions should not be grouped in with this bunch - lateral culpability. Our program accreditation is completely separate from university accreditation. Does university accreditation have bearing on its schools, departments and divisions? Absolutely. Is it in jeopardy? No. Nor should it be.
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Re: 'UNC's "Regrettable Actions" do not mean legal action can
May 18, 2015, 8:27 PM
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NCAA should give UNCheat a choice
May 18, 2015, 10:50 PM
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1) 1 Year loss of accreditation
2) 1 Year Suspension of all Athletics
No negotiations. Watch the decision..it will tell what is important to UNCheat
-Tesla
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Re: NCAA should give UNCheat a choice
May 18, 2015, 11:50 PM
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Lol! A university doesn't lose accreditation over what happens in one department. Accreditation comes from multiple sources. Academic program accreditation - yes. University accreditation - no.
Tesla would expect more coming from someone using his name. Do your homework.
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You are rapidly losing your accreditation as a Clemson fan
May 19, 2015, 10:36 AM
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You don't seem to get it that nobody on a Clemson athletic web site cares to have any empathy for trials and tribulations going on in Chapel Hill. Most here are extremely happy to see the squirming going on up there and don't care a bit about divided loyalties from posters like you. What you're seeing here is a microcosm of what is happening across the country in the eyes of those who don't compartmentalize things the way you want to. Most people reading about the UNC academic scandal don't care about the specifics of accreditation. They have already passed judgement on the school and its reputation. It may not be official or carry any legitimate weight but it still hurts.
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Re: You are rapidly losing your accreditation as a Clemson fan
May 19, 2015, 7:14 PM
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Wow, Bug Eye. You seem to know a lot about us Tarheels. I don't know of anyone in my department who is squirming. In fact, it has absolutely zero bearing on what happens to 99.9% of UNC's personnel. The compartmentalization you speak of isn't what I want... it simply is reality. To ignore the reality of a situation and pass judgement demonstrates ignorance.
You see divided loyalty as a bad thing. I see it as one product of a hard earned opportunity to study at two fine institutions. Pity for your closed mindedness.
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Nobody likes a cheater
May 19, 2015, 9:44 PM
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The fact is the tarheels are condescending, unrepentant cheaters and deserve everyone's hatred.
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As a UNC faculty member, this would make me squirm ...
May 19, 2015, 9:50 PM
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This blog is only one person's opinion, but it was published in the Chronicle of Higher Education and can be assumed to reflect an attitude of a fair number of his peers across the country.
http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2014/10/24/unc-chapel-hill-should-lose-accreditation/
UNC-Chapel Hill Should Lose Accreditation
The revelations from the report on the academic-fraud scandal at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill have been startling: More than 3,000 students over a period of 18 years were awarded grades and credit for nonexistent courses.
But much of what has been said and written to date about the extraordinary failures in ethics and oversight seems to miss both the seriousness of the misbehavior and the extent to which it strikes at the core of any college or university.
This is not chiefly an athletics issue, though the students involved are disproportionately intercollegiate athletes. Nor is it primarily a matter for the NCAA, which is more a cause of than a solution to the problem of athletics in American higher education.
This is an issue of institutional integrity, a violation of the most basic assumption upon which the credibility of any college or university is based: that the grades and credits represented on the transcripts of its students are an accurate reflection of the work actually done. Absent this assurance, a transcript—a degree—from the institution has lost its meaning.
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Re: As a UNC faculty member, this would make me squirm ...
May 19, 2015, 10:36 PM
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Don't assume anything about what others may be thinking, BugEye. His statements are pretty wreckless. I'd like to see him tell a physician who received his/her MD from UNC that their degree is worthless - before he's wheeled into surgery. He of all people should know there are multiple levels of accreditation (renewed regularly with site visits) to ensure degree programs meet certain standards so graduates are protected from individuals like him.
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