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TNET: Clemson’s regression is inexplicable
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TNET: Clemson’s regression is inexplicable

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Sep 15, 2025, 7:00 AM
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Clemson’s regression is inexplicable

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Sep 15, 2025, 7:07 AM
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This quote here is powerful! Hope Dabo reads it and digest this story.

“What is so disheartening about all this is that we see programs like LSU, Texas Tech, and even Vanderbilt losing so much to graduation and the portal, yet quickly rebuild a new team that is better than the one Clemson has spent years developing, all to crescendo into… this”

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Sep 15, 2025, 7:33 AM
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That quote is spot on.

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The explanation for all of this is: Dabos Hubris, NIL, and ACC membership!

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Sep 15, 2025, 8:36 AM
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His arrogance, thinking he can do no wrong, that all his hires are perfect, and all his players are “special” and destined for “greatness.” His blatant disdain for the transfer portal in favor of “development” (again, where is the proof of that?!) has really set this program back. His refusal to hire proven coaches, choosing former players, family and friends with zero prior coaching experience, based solely on their love for Clemson and willingness to follow Dabo blindly, coupled with NIL money giving players zero motivation to go “earn it” on the field and playing to not get injured (they’re getting paid anyway, so why try hard?), plus our imprisonment in this lousy backwater conference, the clear lack of discipline, attention to detail, and focus on the team, and believing all their preseason hype (what did you think would happen—teams just roll over and give up on our way to the Championship?), are all explanations for why Dabo, NIL, and the ACC are running our program into the dirt and contributing to the results we have seen on the field for years now. Is it time for a change (and I don’t just mean at HC)? I’ll always love Dabo for all he’s done for this program, but everyone can see that we’ve lost that mojo and swagger we had during the 2010s decade. We caught lightning in a bottle, but I think we can all agree that ever since TL and Venables left, we’ve been on a slow and steady, explainable “regression” to mediocrity.

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Re: The explanation for all of this is: Dabos Hubris, NIL, and ACC membership!

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Sep 16, 2025, 1:56 PM
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The threat of taking his ball and going somewhere else has gave Dabo a different look to me, and I don't care to much for it bc it makes him seem to be vindictive!!!

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Sep 15, 2025, 10:16 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable ]
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The Dabo Way has lost its Way…

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Sep 15, 2025, 1:30 PM
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Dabo has always been big on numbers and statistics. He has won 181 games as HC at Clemson. I believe he has his sights set on 200 wins and then may consider stepping down since he doesn’t care for this version of college football. In the past he could hit that in two quick seasons. We might now be looking at 4 seasons to get those last 19 wins.

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Sep 16, 2025, 8:10 AM
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I don’t care for this version of college football either. It’s a medium for bettors, bookies, and 24/7 of the most useless sports talk imaginable. Half the people on tigernet think you can fire your way to greatness. Reminder: Notre Dame hasn’t done it. Texas still hasn’t done it. Nebraska isn’t back. Oklahoma is not there yet. Southern Cal, no. Nobody in the ACC has done it since Clemson. It has been Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, and Ohio State, period, since a Natty is the only season that doesn’t suck, and then the SEC and Big 10 press corps succeed in making so many of our thumb typing know it alls feel small. Firing Streeter and Goodson for Riley and Allen were not “family hires.” Matt Luke? No coaching experience, as some in this thread have said? Plus the best coaching staff ever included Jeff Scott and Tony Elliott - who were “family hires.”

The internet makes me tired. It’s like watching sausage being made but there is no sausage after. Good day to yall, and good luck finding that coach who can do it for a sour little fan base like this - a place that was once unique and truly beautiful. USuCk has been hiring and firing for decades. Maybe we can be more like them with their finger flipping girls, bottle hurling student section, and “powerhouse” teams.

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Sep 15, 2025, 11:23 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable ]
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Making too much sense that these blind sunshine pumpers on here refuse to see. They have their head in the sand. Dabo is the one constant. He has lost that fire and that drive that helped him build the once powerhouse.

We all love him and are grateful for what he did. The reality is he needs to resign on his own. No one wants him fired. He just needs to step and away to be a commentator. We all know he’d be good at that.

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THE QUOTE is very telling

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Sep 15, 2025, 11:34 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable ]
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… IMO being a “DAWG” in Shaq’s sense of the word equates to fire and intensity! The players are quality players and know how to play, they just aren’t as intense as they need to be.

Remember Kearse a few years ago? I was expecting a fantastic season from him and it was like he was mailing it in… maybe didn’t want to get into the dogfight because he might get injured and miss his NFL payday. Maybe he had a nagging injury… who knows, but he certainly didn’t appear to want to “bring it”.

Our intensity and fire out of the gate has been so bad that we’re spotting teams double-digit points before we decide to “start playing” 20 minutes into the game! We’ve done that for 3 games in a row. That’s a recipe for a loss.

I believe in OUR PLAYERS and know they CAN bring the fire. It’s an attitude, and resolve to take no prisoners … COME ON TIGERS!! Bring the fire … and TAKE NO PRISONERS from the first second of EACH game to the last!!

And this means EVERYONE!!! Even only 98% of the players bringing to fires is not good enough … EVERYONE has to be on fire … even us, the fans!!

Let’s right this ship and prove to ourselves and everyone else that WE ARE the Championship Team everyone expected us to be!!

LET’S GO!!!!!!

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Sep 15, 2025, 11:56 AM
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i remember when shaq got on the oklahoma team bus just prior to the orange bowl. he told them exactly what he was going to do to them. And then followed through. That is what he meant by no dogs on this team. He was saying we dont have anyone with the fire and ability to tell the opponent what we are going to do and then go out and do it.

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Sep 15, 2025, 11:58 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable ]
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Best quote in the piece. It's exactly how I feel every year now.

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Sep 15, 2025, 2:24 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable ]
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Don't forget FSU.

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Sep 15, 2025, 4:20 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable ]
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But but but they don’t have the culture we have.

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Sep 16, 2025, 9:09 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable ]
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I think we would still have big time issues even if we used the portal more. The coaching sucks. Riley especially.

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Sep 17, 2025, 7:02 AM
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Riley is, and has been, a total bust. Hoping his contract is not renewed. As a matter of fact, I think we might just be better off if he were gone today. He has been no answer, at all,

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Sep 16, 2025, 8:50 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable ]
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Agree with that. And making statements like “if Clemson fans are tired of winning” isn’t helping on bit. What we’re tired of is losing. To SEC teams every time we’ve played them in the last 2 years. We’re 1-5 against them the last 3 years. So stop preaching and get this team in gear. All the talent they need but can’t put it together, and there is little to no fire to the players on the field. Tell Garrett his job is on the line if he can’t figure out how to be a real play caller and not just throw downfield when Cade is a deer in the headlights, TJ is awol and Randall needs the ball to do anything. Wesco has been the only one to show any fire and he let a critical pass go right thru the hands. Time to earn that NIL $ or maybe all of you high earners should give it back.

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Sep 16, 2025, 8:51 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable ]
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Agree with that. And making statements like “if Clemson fans are tired of winning” isn’t helping on bit. What we’re tired of is losing. To SEC teams every time we’ve played them in the last 2 years. We’re 1-5 against them the last 3 years. So stop preaching and get this team in gear. All the talent they need but can’t put it together, and there is little to no fire to the players on the field. Tell Garrett his job is on the line if he can’t figure out how to be a real play caller and not just throw downfield when Cade is a deer in the headlights, TJ is awol and Randall needs the ball to do anything. Wesco has been the only one to show any fire and he let a critical pass go right thru the hands. Time to earn that NIL $ or maybe all of you high earners should give it back.

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Sep 15, 2025, 7:26 AM
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HAIR ON FIRE!!!

OH NOES!!!

WELL...ANYWAYS🙄

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Sep 15, 2025, 7:55 AM
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🥱

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Sep 15, 2025, 8:08 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable ]
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pump sunshine pump

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:51 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable ]
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Swinney Boy Troll 🥱

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:58 AM
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Cry more, lol.

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Is it? Is it really "inexplicable"?***

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The coaching and player country club was broken down on Tnet in 2020/21/22

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:35 AM
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Those who brought it up were thumbed down and called nuts and coots.

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That's right, we were all told that we hate Dabo and are Coots.***

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Sep 15, 2025, 12:14 PM [ in reply to The coaching and player country club was broken down on Tnet in 2020/21/22 ]
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Exactly right.

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Its not inexplicable!***

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if theres one thing this regression is not

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Sep 15, 2025, 7:34 AM
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It’s inexplicable. It’s been explained and predicted for years by many.

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Sep 15, 2025, 7:39 AM
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Adapt to today’s CFB - use the portal more frequently and hire better coaches to develop your players. Friends and family “yes men” enjoy the $, but bring nothing to the table.


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Sep 15, 2025, 9:29 AM
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All of this WAS a problem.

The last two offseasons it was finally corrected by hiring Chris Rumph, Matt Luke, and Tom Allen and adding 3 portal players.

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It was addressed begrudginly by Dabo, and in baby steps.

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Sep 15, 2025, 10:14 AM
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We still have an OC who, by all indications, either had little to do with TCU's success or has not been allowed full control of the offense at Clemson.

We still have guys like Grisham and Spiller who were unqualified for their roles when they were hired, and have not shown much of an ability to perform their duties at the level we expect at Clemson.

The hires such as Luke, Rumph, and Allen certainly seem like good hires, but they have also not been here long. It will take time for their recruiting to take effect. I feel that our defense has certainly improved, and our OL has seemed to improve as well. Expecting those hires to pay immediate dividends is unrealistic though.

Yes, Dabo used the portal - finally - this past offseason. He got one impact player. That's great! He should have gotten at least a handful more.

I'm tired of people trying to act like Dabo has done everything he can to address our issues. He hasn't. Token use of the portal isn't enough. Plus, he needs to continue to evolve with the financial aspect of players getting paid.

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Re: You are mostly correct, but I'll pushback on

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Sep 15, 2025, 10:28 AM
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the coaching hires of Luke, Rumph and Allen. Its very fair to expect immediate results from these hires and they were tough decisions to make by Dabo...he dumped some his 'boys' to make the change. Those guys have coached alot of ball and the results of their presence should be very visible. Dabo does deserve credit for making those changes, but could easily criticize him for making them probably 1 year too late.

Alot of issues to go around.

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Re: It was addressed begrudginly by Dabo, and in baby steps.

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Sep 15, 2025, 5:21 PM [ in reply to It was addressed begrudginly by Dabo, and in baby steps. ]
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What f’@kinig O-Line have you been watching….??????

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Sep 15, 2025, 5:22 PM
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Meant for Judge

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Not enough - Riley should have already been let go

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Sep 15, 2025, 10:20 AM [ in reply to Re: if theres one thing this regression is not ]
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Another QB option should have already been addressed. Seasoned RB, more DEs, big time OL not having to wait on Luke to recruit and develop his guys(that takes 3 years). The # of assistants(+analysts- whatever you want to call them) with little to no experience is mind boggling. We hear how great the STs are this year but they are really just avg. They were subpar for years. Meanwhile you see other teams with big return games that flip fields, score tds. We are small, lack strength. Don’t have enough speed across the board. LBs are avg. Depth is no where to be found. This is a mid-good ACC team. The ACC is the 3rd or 4th best conference this year. We should be at a level to be 6-2, 7-1 team if we were in the SEC, B1G. We’d be lucky to be .500 in those leagues. Nobody at Clemson, staff or admin has the guts to challenge Dabo on anything. That’s not a good path for success.

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Sep 15, 2025, 12:02 PM [ in reply to Re: if theres one thing this regression is not ]
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Adding 3 portal players hasn’t corrected the anti portal position from the 11 million dollar boy.

That’s just enough to say he did it. He needs to do it and do it effectively. Lots of positions.

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Sep 15, 2025, 2:31 PM
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One would think he could part with 4-5 million to go into the portal. Where is "Tyler from Spartanburg" when we need him?

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Sep 15, 2025, 12:28 PM [ in reply to Re: if theres one thing this regression is not ]
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So what is the problem in your opinion?

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Sep 15, 2025, 7:57 AM [ in reply to if theres one thing this regression is not ]
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Hate to say but very true

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Sep 15, 2025, 8:18 AM [ in reply to if theres one thing this regression is not ]
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Call me Nostradamus. My post from September 2021. Remember, Saban was still coaching then.( https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/re-hard-pills-to-swallow-29381079#29381079 )

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There is a level of complacency that has crept into the program. It shows in the overall coaching and planning for big games against quality opponents. We've gotten blown out the last 3 years in these games. And if it wasn't for TL's scrambling ability we would have lost to OSU before getting worked by LSU.


The ACC's overall decline has masked our own recent decline We play a lot of cupcakes every year and traditional ACC powers (FSU, Miami and VaTech) have all been down too. It's allowed us to win 6 straight ACC titles, but also has set us up to get pushed around in the playoffs.

The best is NOT the standard here at Clemson. Between the coaches kids on the teams and the coddling of clearly overmatched and outdated coaches, the "best" has been achieved largely on the backs of a few truly awesome athletes and QB's in particular.

Alabama has clearly put distance between themselves and us over the last few years. How many coordinators coaches have come and gone at Alabama in the last 3 years, yet they are still winning and producing Heisman winners? For that one night in Santa Clara back in 2019 we were CLEARLY the better team. And while we went on from there to sign coaches to extensions, Alabama took some to the woodshed and reminded them that WINNING big games is what matters most to them.

Dabo can be both the best coach in the country while simultaneously being the program's biggest liability Between his clearly outdated stance on the transfer portal and his loyalty to ineffective coaches he has put the program on a lower trajectory that is could be. Don't get me wrong, he is still a net positive to Clemson on many levels, but what he once brought in terms of fresh ideas, new coaches and innovation years ago has started to turn into classic "coach speak", same-old, same-old and excuses.

IN Summation; we've become somewhat stale, lazy and complacent. It's on Dabo and the coaching staff to get us back on the right track in a college football world that is changing rapidly. As of now, it is unclear if they can pull it off.

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:47 AM
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To your credit, you predicted it…and most of us felt it. There is a lack of fire and personnel- coaches and players included- that have failed to provide this program with a fresh start.

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Sep 15, 2025, 10:26 AM
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Thanks. And for the record I'm not happy about being correct. I've just seen similar situations play out like this before. And rarely do they end well for ll involved. A few come out just fine, but many do not. Dabo will most definitely be fine financially speaking but his spirit and belief system will likely not emerge unscathed. And that is sad because Dabo is a truly good person.

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Sep 15, 2025, 12:16 PM [ in reply to Re: if theres one thing this regression is not ]
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First time posting but you must start somewhere...

Great response SEGROWA. There is no doubt complacency has set in with the coaches $$ players NIL $$.

Motivative comes from within, but when it's not there the coaches need to get in some A$$ and make course corrections. I see none of that. Shaq Lawson said it. We ain't got no dogs on this team & the coaches are just sitting on their hands it would appear.

Tom Allen needs to be on the sideline with a get back coach like Venables. No fire coming over a headset. CJ was a great RB & a person as well, but does that make him a great coach. Being the best employee at your job doesn't get you promoted to a manager leading other people. Leadership is a skill, and some people just don't have it.

Be careful what you wish for.
I would love to see Dabo retire with a few more Natttys & Conference Championships under his belt but the product on the field since 2021 is just not what anyone expects considering the resources that have been provided. Thats on the HC period. When you make the big bucks, you have to deliver. Can we afford to pay Dabo out. Probably not. And as a fan I certainly don't want to see that, but I also don't want to see what we have all seen in three weeks so far.

But I refer back to the start of the previous paragraph. We could be Nebraska, Florida or Usuck fans with four ten wins seasons in the history of the program.

I'm thankful for the ride but dang its hard watching this team paly right now. I just don't think the solutions are simple. We have many issues and no one on the coaching staff nor the players are stepping up when they are all getting paid to do so. Please try something different this week

GO TIGERS!!! beat Cuse. It's one game at a time at this point.

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Sep 17, 2025, 8:28 AM [ in reply to Re: if theres one thing this regression is not ]
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This is so spot on it’s not even funny. I’ve been banging this exact drum since 2021. Am I forever grateful to Dabo for what he’s done? Yes of course. But you can’t just collect $11 million a year and keep pointing to what you did in 2016 and 2018. Either earn your money, or step down. It’s really that simple… for $11 million we can hire one heck of a coach who wants to win. The nepotism, Buddy hires, and lazy approach to recruiting and the portal has got to stop.

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True, and the pumpers jumped on us.

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:37 AM [ in reply to if theres one thing this regression is not ]
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We simply don't recruit at a high enough level to complete with teams who recruit as well as us but fill their holes with portal players.

Just about every single loss the last 4 years or so had an impact portal player or more that helped beat us.

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We also do not develop players well.

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You can't call yourself a developmental program, and put all of your eggs in that basket, if you are not going to actually develop players while they are here.

I have no doubt that we are developing fine young men, but they should also be getting better at football. Many don't seem to.

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Sep 15, 2025, 3:28 PM
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Judge…I don’t like many of your posts…I think you can be a band wagon hater but this is a good point!

Go Tigers!!

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Dittos!

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Sep 15, 2025, 10:25 AM [ in reply to True, and the pumpers jumped on us. ]
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You're right. You actually attempted on several occasions to have an honest discussion. I get what Shaq is saying. Remember, we had a dawg that hit the portal and later said he was being coached too soft. Now he's a star in the NFL.

Imho what Shaq is saying is 10 years ago we were recruiting sec talent. The last 5 years, we've recruited acc talent. Yes, on paper we can cull out a rating agency that gives a guy a 4* , but not all 4*s are the same. We have low 4s now and we used to play in the high 4s market.

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Exactly right. Low 4 star market!***

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Sep 15, 2025, 12:45 PM [ in reply to True, and the pumpers jumped on us. ]
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We are top 10 in "composite talent rankings"...and have been for years and years. So I don't buy it's a recruiting issue alone. Yes, those rankings are just glorified guess work, but we have either been whiffing massively on over-ranked recruits, or, have not been developing them. Either option, is on the coaches.

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Sep 15, 2025, 7:42 AM
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It’s quite explicable

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The blatant nepotism is embarrassing

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And unethical! Saw an earlier post that Will Swinney

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makes $250K. For what and based on what previous experience. If true, Clemson is getting milked for all it’s worth by that family.

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do you work there? have you witnessed first hand that he can't do the job he's

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hired to do? if he can't do his job or doesn't show up for work and he's getting paid then you have a point. If he's doing the job he's tasked to do at the going rate then none of that should be your concern. I'm assuming you have none of that information.

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Is the product on the field not enough for you to realize many of them aren't worth the money?

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:22 AM [ in reply to do you work there? have you witnessed first hand that he can't do the job he's ]
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Product = Value

There. I won’t even charge you for that economy lesson.

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Sep 15, 2025, 12:36 PM [ in reply to do you work there? have you witnessed first hand that he can't do the job he's ]
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I witness the outcome on the field after all the nepo hires.

I think it’s 100% safe to say he’s there because of daddy

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Somebody must not know the definition of inexplicable

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Sep 15, 2025, 7:59 AM
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Sep 15, 2025, 8:08 AM
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Our best plays the first 2 home games? I was shouting them from the stands - "Throw the ball to Randall !!!" and the only pass I remember going his way . Sign me up.

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This has been years in the making...

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Sep 15, 2025, 8:09 AM
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Waiting years too long to let coaches go. Hiring inexperienced former players. When you do hire a new coordinator, not letting them bring their full staff with them.

Our offense hasn't changed. It's still hot garbage. My 10 year old can predict the plays. And not sure what happened, but Cade is just awful. Overthrows, bad throws, throwing into coverage. Looks like DJU 2.0 out there.

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One of Tigernets own contributing ? David Hood

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I remember DH got all up in arms before the LSU game because an LSU fan made a post about Cade getting in a car wreck or something before the game. He called the guy out publicly on this site and basically cried about it like a Little B. For what, some mind games? Some gamesmanship? Was it inappropriate? Sure. Did it deserve that complete public freak out and uproar? Did you call his parents and tattle on him, DH? We have these things called cell phones these days. I’m sure any and everyone close to Cade could just pick up the phone and call him to see if he was ok. It comes with the territory for crying out loud. Quit sheltering these millionaires!

I wonder if DH felt the same way after some punk chipped off a piece of Howard’s Rock?

All this from a senior member of our media team. That was weak sauce and… kind of explains everything at this point.

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Sep 15, 2025, 10:50 AM
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Explains everything?

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Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable

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Sep 15, 2025, 8:18 AM
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Very good article Ryan!

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Oh it's explicable alright


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Re: Oh it's explicable alright

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:31 AM
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I agree that the offense has been less than we expected under Riley- especially so far this season with a senior quarterback and tons of experience returning from a group that was quite productive most of last season- but the most disappointing thing Saturday was the defense’s inability to stop Tech’s game winning drive and that had nothing to do with Riley. The offense had just had an impressive drive and had momentum. I told my son that the defense would get a 3 and out and the offense would drive down and score the game winner but the defense couldn’t stop the quarterback run when everyone watching knew that Tech would run the quarterback.

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Sep 15, 2025, 8:47 AM
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The Clemson media is in as much denial as he is. Failure to adapt to the changing landscape, rotation of coaches with zero improvement. Program has become stale!

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Sep 15, 2025, 8:51 AM
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Rat Poison perhaps? That’s as good an explanation as any.

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Sep 15, 2025, 8:56 AM
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Excellent take Ryan. Well done!

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:03 AM
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Spot On...The Talent Has Gone Backwards...
Never Seen Experience Become Less🤔🤔🤔

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Its explainable.. Dabo needs to look in the mirror

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:07 AM
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And he needs someone who is NOT a kiss ### to tell him he is ####### up

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:21 AM
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Having a true BALLER at QB would raise the energy across the board. If Dabo trots Cade out vs Syracuse and we run the same high school playbook, it’s a failure of the head coach.

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:48 AM
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100% Agree

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:26 AM
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One observation from the GT game. Seated directly behind the Clemson bench first row. Beginning mid first quarter, the O line would leave the game and plop down on their chairs directly in front of us. No conversation, just staring into space or sucking O2. No apparent interest in the game. Cade came over at one point and tried to get them up to the sideline, no response, didnt even really acknowledge him. No coaches. Matt Luke came over mid fourth quarter for a minute or so then left. Just doesnt seem to be any fire or motivation in this team.

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:46 AM
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I've Never Been More UnderWhelmed🤔🤔🤔
One Point: We Heard The Offseason Was Led By The Players🤔 Then What Were The Coaches Doing🤔
I Agree With Shaq...NO DAWGS👊👊👊

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Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:53 AM
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Not inexplicable. It’s all on William Christopher Swinney. Has been for 5 years.

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:54 AM
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There's no dogs on this team. Lawson is 100% right.

All these guys care about is getting that 6 figure check and blowing that money on fancy cars and jewelry--you see it during Tigerwalk--every player wearing an iced out chain during Tigerwalk is the same dude that's loafing on the field two hours later. They think they're just going to show up and become a top draft pick? Parker, Woods, Klubik, all of their draft stock is tanking fast.

We've been told for 5 years how we want to avoid using the portal because we want to preserve our culture, but what has that gotten us? A culture of juniors and seniors who are lazy and don't fight for it? I'd tell them all to take a hike. Georgia Tech has at least 3-4 dozen transfers on their roster and their culture seeems fine. Their players want to win football games.

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No, it is not inexplicable. Some of us have seen this coming.

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:57 AM
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We tried to warn you.

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Hes Right Though

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Sep 15, 2025, 12:14 PM
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Anyone who dared offer a critical take on Clemson’s roster issues or staff mismanagement got gaslighted by you and your pumper crowd.

*Wes and Streeter were fired — validation.

*No linebacker depth. Slow secondary. O-line still a liability — validation.

*Players regressing in PFF scores (QB, DL, etc.) — validation.

*Best defensive player is a rare portal pick-up — validation.

You mocked people for “being negative,” but everything they pointed out was true. The writing’s been on the wall for years. You just didn’t want to read it.

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Re: TNET: Clemsons regression is inexplicable

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Sep 15, 2025, 9:59 AM
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The real issue with Clemson and a lot of other teams that were among the top teams is that NIL has created a massive gap between schools. Most players make more now than they will in the NFL so they don’t have to try as hard, p it their bodies on the line, etc… this has made all but 4-5 teams a lot more even across the board. College football will be ruled by teams such as Ohio State, Oregon, USC, Texas, and Texas A&M going forward. Why? Because they can afford the best and even if the best don’t play up to their ability due to less care because of money, at the end of the day, the more DUDES you got the more you win. We can’t afford the DUDES in the ACC or the ones we can is still a select few position groups instead of having an entire team of 4 & 5 stars.

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Sep 15, 2025, 10:15 AM
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You haven’t read Tigernet closely enough. We have all the answers.

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Parker and Woods are good.

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Sep 15, 2025, 10:46 AM
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But not great. Surprised they've ever been seen as elite.

Heldt has a motor and it shows. More TFL than Parker/Woods combined. Guess that's why they went to the portal for him. Imagine not having him around so far.

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So now the pivot is that Woods and Parker were just over-rated? Good Lord...


Sep 15, 2025, 4:17 PM
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Seems like something you would have mentioned before if it was so obvious

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Sep 15, 2025, 11:00 AM
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Brian Kelly said it best after the LSU game, We beat Clemson because they became to predictable... Before the start of the LSU game abc showed a clip of klubnik walking in front of a camera into the stadium, I'm sure most on here who were watching had to see this as well. (I couldn't find the video but here is a photo of that, I hope it attached) The arrogant walk he was doing with those top gun sunglasses he was making on camera was really a site to behold. Just goes back to the statement from Dabo, that too many ate the rat poison the media was shoveling. Was watching that game with friends and we saw this....after it was over we just turned and looked at each other and said "We are in trouble"...

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Sep 15, 2025, 11:01 AM
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One only needs to look at our offense and our play stategy to realize we are old school. As such our offense is totally predictable. We almost think the other team is cheating because it appears like they have our playbook...they have our game film and we've changed nothing. Then the way we approached the last minutes against GT was totally old school time management strategy and it got us beat.

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Sep 15, 2025, 3:04 PM
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Whether it is Football or Futbol … your opponent not knowing what you are going to do and making them hesitate gives you the upper hand.

We need more of that going forward.

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inexplicable? Really?

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Sep 15, 2025, 11:21 AM
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Over the last 5 years, a ton of people were predicting it would come to this for our football team.
The fact we stumbled into the playoffs last year gave some (apparently you) false hope. But like I posted 4 weeks before the season started; "... this is the same group of players who looked less than stellar a year ago... one DC hire isn't going to change that."

I am not a football coach, but I do know results should equal expectations. Otherwise, it's not expectations, but merely hopes and dreams. I find it hard to believe the decline in nearly every stat is the expectation with those above Dabo.

I understand the pumpers who believe the "one or two plays away" rhetoric, but it's a lie. Over a hundred plays are run in a single game. Not making in-game adjustments and hoping for a shot in the 4th quarter is insanity. It would be like me telling my CEO "I may not have hit budget in 5 years, but I'm a great leader and my team has a ton of potential, we're just a few dollars off." That would be a one-way ticket to the unemployment line.

We're all a little disappointed, and none of us can change a thing about it. But to say it's inexplicable is ig-nor-ant, and quite frankly, brings into question your sports acumen. I don't claim to have any either... but I do know what we're currently getting is not the expectations of most. And many have been calling it out for a few years now. Can't deny that.

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Sep 15, 2025, 11:43 AM
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Time for Garrett Riley, and possibly Matt Luke to move on!

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Sep 15, 2025, 11:44 AM
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It really isn't a "this year" problem. Clemson has lost 3 or more games every year since 2021. That is good, not elite.

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Sep 15, 2025, 12:04 PM
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To begin with, Shaq is wrong because every team has to deal with NIL and it has not affected Ohio State, Penn St, LSU, Georgia and the other teams. We will not know until the season goes on but LSU could be one of the best teams we have played in the last several years. Tech is just a big strong team with a bull at QB and they wanted to end years of frustration against us and they knew if they could beat us they would have the inside tract to one of the ACC Championship spots. Their schedule sets up great and they just wanted the game more than we did. Absolutely that is on Dabo and our guys have to be mentally ready and we were not. No more extra bullets in the gun, we have to get it right Saturday.

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Sep 15, 2025, 12:20 PM
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The regression isn’t “inexplicable” when it’s been explained over and over. You just haven’t listened.

We’ve had poor development, staff hires based on loyalty, and a stubborn refusal to use the transfer portal. Now the best player on defense is a portal guy, while homegrown talent is regressing.

Saying “GT had a bull at QB” or “LSU might be the best we’ve played” doesn’t change the fact that Clemson looks slow, unprepared, and outcoached. That’s on Dabo. Period.

You’ve spent the last three years gaslighting anyone who raised concerns. But the warning signs were obvious. The talent gap is real. The results are real. And the decline is real.

Wake up.

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Did you just compare what Clemson does with NIL to “every other team”??

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Is it really?***

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Go back to February, MAT DRILLS, Strength and Conditioning Training, then the start of Spring Training. Ok, Dabo said at the start of camp that several players were injured, ok, he didn’t have enough to split the team for the spring game, hum sure right. Now, if you believe that with that depth chart of players 1st string to the practice squad that Dabo could not put a team together for the spring game wasn’t a sign, then we all need to cancel our subscription to College SI, Steel Magazine, College Football Today, CBS Sports, etc. Dabo only had eight players down on his starting roster, only eight, you telling me that a roster of 130 players at the time before the roster cuts to 105, Dabo could not develop and put a team together for development?, “BULL”! Folks, I think there is a deeper issue here and we aren’t being told exactly what the problem is, but obviously the results of that problem is on full display with a 1-2 (0-1 ACC) record. Understand, I have seen this before with Tommy Bowden, 2007 going into 2008, something wasn’t sitting right in that Clemson locker room. What happened, the crushing loss to Alabama to start the season, the nail in the unemployment board posting came when Clemson lost to Wake Forest, Bowden out Dabo in. Fast forward 2025, Spring Training full of promise, new players, opportunities for improvement and for players on the depth chart to step up in place of the exiting players and the players on IR to earn a spot on the roster as a starter. Did any of this happen, nope. The other odd thing was the spring game, not enough players, really, or was it we didn’t develop the bottom tier of the roster so we aren’t going to split the team. That was the warning light for me. ESPN blowing this team up, ACCN blowing this team up, CBS Sports, so on blowing this team up as a National Championship contender and possibly the Champions of 2025. Well, here we are, discussing how this team has fallen from grace. Has NIL ruined teams like Clemson, Kansas State, Notre Dame, Arizona State, Texas, Florida, Kentucky, Oklahoma State, shall I go on, these are just a few examples of how NIL has made it hard to develop and recruit players. Gone are the days of playing for the school you grew up cheering for, gone are the days of loyalty to tradition, gone are the days when we as fans pulled hard for the players to succeed and make it to the NFL, gone are the days when players were students, yes those days are gone. Now, you got minor league NFL players who like the NFL can either play well or tank a season, and guess what they don’t give a crap about us as fans, the coaches, the band, these guys are out for self! It makes me sick, especially this transfer portal crap ESPN/Disney created and masterminded along side NIL to destroy the College Football experience. It’s no longer fun, not mentioning this expansion of the playoffs from four (which was working just fine) to this ridiculous 12 team crap! ESPN/Disney pushed this play for pay garbage, and if you’re like me don’t agree with alcohol consumption being sold/allowed in the seating area of Death Valley, you’re not alone, we can thank ESPN/Disney. Now our stadium looks and smells like Williams Brice, smells like a bar, bathroom floors drenched with beer pee, stalls smelling like vomit, fans complaining their kids have been exposed to an atmosphere that is not Clemson anymore and are seriously considering no longer buying tickets or season tickets. Do they care no, no because there are plenty of those fans who can’t wait to get those tickets so they can drink the Devil Juice, smuggle in a little extra in plastic containers of hand sanitizer, oh yeah I have seen that, talk about folks who need AA for real! They will replace us, and the families who wanted to have their children experience a game will now experience from home. Now, let’s bring this all together here, Clemson and College Football sold their souls and now, they’re going to pay the price. I believe in redemption, I believe that this can be fixed, and Clemson could be great again! Limit transfer eligibility for graduating seniors who have another year of eligibility going for a Masters degree, develop a new NIL College Scholarship program where players across the board get 5K stipend for their personal needs, room and board paid for, tuition, food expenses, and a clothing allowance to be included, this will not only clean up College Football but it will bring back the fun of college football. Now, alcohol at games, let’s fix that, I’m all for selling those who want a beer at halftime. BUT!, the stadiums need to set up a restaurant area where people can eat and drink one beer, yes I said eat! No more beer in the seat areas of the stadium, oh and upon entering the stadium if you are caught with any type of plastic bottle, Police test it and if CSI lab tester pops alcohol you will be fined and banned from sporting events for one year. Stiff penalties for folks who can go a day without getting stiff. Let’s make football fun again, and get back why folks loved college football. Oh let’s reduce the playoffs to eight teams and then leave it alone, ESPN/Disney! Now, Dabo fix what you can, and here’s to a 4-8 season.

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Sep 15, 2025, 2:08 PM
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It all boils down to a top man. A coach with no fire fields team with no fire. I feel strongly that Dabo does not want to coach in the NL era, but he hangs around for the money. Clemson should’ve waxed Georgia Tech, no excuse for anything else.

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Sep 15, 2025, 3:02 PM
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I only hope it doesn't take as long to correct as it did to create.

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Let me explicate it for you, the overall talent level has dropped through the

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floor...Apparently even Purdue was recruiting DEs better than us

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Sep 15, 2025, 7:03 PM
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It’s very explainable. Dabo’s way doesn’t work anymore. He has dug in too deep and we will continue to stumble downhill until he eventually leaves. If a turnaround were going to happen it would’ve been this year. Next years team will be even worse

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The thought just dawned on me that Dabo’s belief that every player he signs wants to win or can be made to want to win as much as he does is half of his huge problem with people. The other half is the fact that he will give all of them the benefit of the doubt First and allow them to have the flexibility to prove him wrong and lately almost all of them have. What of he does a 180 and takes the attitude of “you have to show me you not only are worthy of a starting spot, but as of right now, we are at zero and I dont even believe in you.” You have to first show me you are a winner and want it and second show me work that you are improving and earning a spot, or I will look for proven performers at your position.

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Sep 16, 2025, 9:08 AM
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Poor coaching.

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Ever since Lawrence...


Sep 16, 2025, 9:35 AM
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...graduated, we have been on a slow decline. Sad to say but I feel we may never see another natty championship ...

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