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This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:52 PM
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You have to be blind to not see the elephant in the room.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:53 PM
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I’d call bad QB play and ball security as culprits #1
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:54 PM
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The root cause of that just might be coaching.... 
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:58 PM
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Defense gave up 31
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:06 PM
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Fourth and 1 and complete pass down to the one. Jeez Louise ?
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:50 PM
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Defense got a interception on that drive so that had no affect on the game
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:48 PM
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How many Louise’s you know?
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:45 PM
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Oh please the defense played their hearts out and most of the offen… there are three culprits here Dabo loving DJ and Streeter’s calls we’ve been saying it all year but nobody will hear us I’m sick of it …what a disgusting loss with the stadium full of fans…. Seriously you can be a fan but I’m telling you for what it cost to go to that stadium do a tailgate buy tickets and support what we’re looking at I’m done!
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Their QB executed. Ours did not.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:51 PM
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Mix in 5 turnovers and that's the end of the story
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:49 PM
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Looked like some players started getting frustrated and probably gave up with no help from the offense
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Nope. Concepts are fine.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:08 PM
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27.6% is the root cause.
5 turnovers too.
Absolutely NOTHING to do with coaching or playcalling.
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Re: Nope. Concepts are fine.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:29 PM
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You’re not correct. You don’t call a needless low percentage long pass play on 3rd and three. Run the ball! Lot’s of boneheaded calls.
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Yes of course. Every play that doesn't work is a bad playcall.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:42 PM
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Right?
There are plays that don't work and can be questioned in hindsight. Every team, every game.
When your QB executes at a 27.6% clip, there are no plays that can correct that. I saw numerous big plays left out there due to horrible accuracy. You will never see every play call "look" correct, at any level. Players make the difference.
I'm going to ask - if we had Rattler at QB today, then what do you think happens? Let's me honest here.
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Re: Yes of course. Every play that doesn't work is a bad playcall.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:53 PM
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If you continually call the same mess it is.. the run worked last year and this year.. the pass want there on either game but on the final three drives when the games on the line we slinging it like we got freakin Joe Burrow or something
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So when it's 2nd and long or 3rd and long..
Nov 26, 2022, 5:02 PM
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we should have run it? And then if we don't get 1st downs we should have thrown it? Right?
I saw several WRs open during the game. How many poorly thrown balls did you see today, and on those last 3 drives? When you're behind and its 2nd or 3rd and 7, then a pass is the correct call.
When you have the luxury of being ahead, then you can try to pound it. Not solely running the ball the last 3 drives is not why we lost.
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Re: Nope. Concepts are fine.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:47 PM
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Cade has virtually no experience. Maybe he will be great, but he is not at the moment. The coaching staff has not brought him along, so it is tough to say that we should have just made a change. It's easy in hindsight, but he should have played more and more importantly, we should have used a more balanced offense when he was in. He has to become a better passer if he is to become our best option. Who would you say is responsible for developing Cade if it is not the coaching staff?
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Yup.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:53 PM
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But Cade is being developed just fine and not rushed.
Not every true freshman is Trevor Lawrence.
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Re: Nope. Concepts are fine.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:51 PM
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When the COACH continues to play a sub par QB then it definitely points toward coaching.
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Maybe, maybe not.
Nov 26, 2022, 5:04 PM
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But nothing in 7 for 15 (47%), 1 TD and 1 INT for a total of 85 yards screams Cade should have taken over the reigns. If you're arguing he should have gotten a shot at some point, maybe so, but Cade, based on exactly what we've seen, is not ready to lead the program.
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blind like the coaches for not making the adjustment that
Nov 26, 2022, 3:54 PM
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you'd have to be blind to miss
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Lol. I must be the only one who saw 27.6%
Nov 26, 2022, 4:11 PM
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and TONS of poorly thrown balls. You can't blame the playcalling for 27.6%, constantly throwing bad balls, and 5 turnovers. There are adjustments to fix that.
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and yet you can't seem to contemplate that coaches are
Nov 26, 2022, 4:15 PM
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ultimately responsible for that 27.6%
It's been CLEARLY EVIDENT for 2+ years that this was the cap of DJs ability vs tough competition.
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Like I said in another post, Uttles..
Nov 26, 2022, 4:20 PM
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I don't know if changing QBs was the answer for that or not, but when the most important player on the field performs so badly, there are no playcalling adjustments you can make.
If your only suggestion for "adjustments" was changing the QB, I'm not going to disagree. But it wasn't playcalling or a lack of adjusting otherwise.
I'm with you on the QB being the elephant. That and 5 turnovers. And that's all there is to that analysis.
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QB change should have been made in the spring
Nov 26, 2022, 4:25 PM
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and the lack of ability to see that DJ just can't run the offense is 100% the coaches' fault
Not changing the offense to something that better suits DJ is the coaches' fault
Not changing the QB is the coaches' fault
After Syracuse before ND, after Cade had to rescue us, not making him the starter so he could get quality practice and have 2 weeks to prepare - coaches' fault
During this game seeing that DJ couldn't hit the broad side of a barn but refusing to put Cade in - coaches' fault
Trying to throw the ball predominantly instead of just pounding a weak SCAR defense with a two-back set and running it down their throat - coaches' fault
Calling a trick play kick return after the defense had us up early - coaches' fault
etc etc etc etc
It's the coaches' fault
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Freshman [-79]
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If at any point Cade surpassed DJ in spring or any point, then
Nov 26, 2022, 4:33 PM
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he would have played instead of DJ. Just like Deshaun replacing Cole and Trevor replacing KB.
Cade is 7 for 15 (47%) for 49 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. He handed off the ball against Syracuse and did nothing to take the job.
So again, if changing the QB is your only suggested "adjustment", then ok. Otherwise there was nothing else any coach anywhere could have done with #5.
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the fact that you believe that is amazing***
Nov 26, 2022, 4:43 PM
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Believe what?***
Nov 26, 2022, 4:48 PM
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Re: QB change should have been made in the spring
Nov 26, 2022, 4:35 PM
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Couldn't say it any better. Dabo's success has been recruiting great coaches as well as players. Hope he figures that out soon!!
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Maybe. Even with the poor play, the 5th
Nov 26, 2022, 4:36 PM
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turnover was the reason we didn't get the opportunity to win the game.
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Re: Lol. I must be the only one who saw 27.6%
Nov 26, 2022, 4:57 PM
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Everyone saw it including the coaches but no change made.. we totally went away from running the ball when the game was on the line. This is a coaching problem. Not saying Cade is better but Shipley is
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:55 PM
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What? Dabo stuck with a qb that was 8/29 99 yards and has had a handful of games that were "good".
Dabo knew he needed WR help in the spring and refused to go get any help.
He promoted both coordinators in the same year.......
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:01 PM
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Not a P5 coach on this staff. We have won due to playing in a weak conference and with pure talent. Coaching staff sucks. The ones marking decisions anyway. We are getting out coached by Shane Beamer. Let that sink in.
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That's wrong too.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:14 PM
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27th SOS. Only 3 teams that were ranked ahead of us have played a harder schedule.
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Re: That's wrong too.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:35 PM
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When you are 7th or 8th that is half or just under. It might be a few more teams ahead of us with superior SOS's next week.
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So yeah, we didn't get 10 wins because of a bad SOS.***
Nov 26, 2022, 5:08 PM
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No, we have a fine WR group. We have a delivery issue, period.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:13 PM
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Short of bringing in the backup and hoping, what is anyone supposed to call when the most important position on the field is so poor at execution?
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:55 PM
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What? Dabo stuck with a qb that was 8/29 99 yards and has had a handful of games that were "good".
Dabo knew he needed WR help in the spring and refused to go get any help.
He promoted both coordinators in the same year.......
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:55 PM
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What? Dabo stuck with a qb that was 8/29 99 yards and has had a handful of games that were "good".
Dabo knew he needed WR help in the spring and refused to go get any help.
He promoted both coordinators in the same year.......
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:55 PM
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What? Dabo stuck with a qb that was 8/29 99 yards and has had a handful of games that were "good".
Dabo knew he needed WR help in the spring and refused to go get any help.
He promoted both coordinators in the same year.......
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:55 PM
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What? Dabo stuck with a qb that was 8/29 99 yards and has had a handful of games that were "good".
Dabo knew he needed WR help in the spring and refused to go get any help.
He promoted both coordinators in the same year.......
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:55 PM
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What? Dabo stuck with a qb that was 8/29 99 yards and has had a handful of games that were "good".
Dabo knew he needed WR help in the spring and refused to go get any help.
He promoted both coordinators in the same year.......
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:55 PM
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What? Dabo stuck with a qb that was 8/29 99 yards and has had a handful of games that were "good".
Dabo knew he needed WR help in the spring and refused to go get any help.
He promoted both coordinators in the same year.......
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:55 PM
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What? Dabo stuck with a qb that was 8/29 99 yards and has had a handful of games that were "good".
Dabo knew he needed WR help in the spring and refused to go get any help.
He promoted both coordinators in the same year.......
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:56 PM
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I think we get your point. lol
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Other than always running for a yard in first down?
Nov 26, 2022, 3:55 PM
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...between the tackles. Nothing like being predictable to help the other team.
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Re: Other than always running for a yard in first down?
Nov 26, 2022, 3:56 PM
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Running was still working.......we quit in the 2nd half.
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Re: Other than always running for a yard in first down?
Nov 26, 2022, 4:04 PM
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Maybe give it a minute before hitting post again.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:56 PM
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Is that elephant named Dabo? Because it sure looks that way to me!
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:59 PM
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And you are idiot and have no clue. Street stink LS and Dabo will not bench DJ. I would rather lost with Klubnik because I would at least you could say I try something.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:56 PM
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Disagree ball security has been terrible the last 3 or 4 games and the coaches didn’t do anything to change it
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I think that's 12 TOs in 3 games or so?
Nov 26, 2022, 4:27 PM
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You coach ball security every single day. Can't tape the ball to anyone.
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Who makes playing time decisions? Of course it’s a coaching
Nov 26, 2022, 3:56 PM
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problem.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:56 PM
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Coaching had everything to do with loss. DJU should have been pulled in second half. Don’t understand Dabo’s loyalty to him when he has a bad game or half.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:07 PM
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or bad career
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If I was a coach
Nov 26, 2022, 3:57 PM
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I would say, don't pass, and don't run to DJ. Hand off and pitch to one of the worst defenses is college football.
Coaches suck!
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lmao someone give this guy
Nov 26, 2022, 3:57 PM
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Some attention and a cookie for the hot take
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 3:58 PM
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DJ is our offense’s cancer.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:00 PM
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Not a P5 coach on this staff. We have won due to playing in a weak conference and with pure talent. Coaching staff sucks. The ones marking decisions anyway. We are getting out coached by Shane Beamer. Let that sink in.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:00 PM
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What is DJ supposed to do? Take himself out?
I'm sure he performed as good as he was able. Unfortunately it is not good enough at this level. Thankful for his effort,
This is on Dabo.
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If you don't think coaching cost us this game, you MUST be
Nov 26, 2022, 4:01 PM
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the progeny of two compleat idjits. Terrible offensive game calling, terrible execution by the QB, and yet the coach never even considered a change. That is ALL on coaching.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:01 PM
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You can’t be serious! Todays loss has everything to do with coaching. It was obvious in the first half that DJ wasn’t on today. It s the coaches job to recognize that and make a change. He’s done it before and he has acknowledged DJ is streaky. He has to be less “married” to players who aren’t cutting it. But he struggles in this area. No doubt it’s Dabo’s Achilles heel.
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Walk-On [102]
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:02 PM
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Dabo lost this game. He let his loyalty lead his way. Lose any other game that way but not his one. ###
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All-TigerNet [10360]
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Swing and miss again Stanley.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:03 PM
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Continue.
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Freshman [-79]
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Ah yes. Calling me "stanley" is so harsh!
Nov 26, 2022, 4:24 PM
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27.6% and 5 turnovers. That's not coaching, pheeble.
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Orange Blooded [2055]
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Re: Ah yes. Calling me "stanley" is so harsh!
Nov 26, 2022, 4:44 PM
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Does DJ control the starting line up?
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:04 PM
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The loss has everything to do with coaching, can't see how anyone would protect this coaching after 2 years like this.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:22 PM
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We will continue to lose to teams like SC and Notre dame and only will win against inferior talent acc schedule until coaching changes are made and there is a QB on the field who can complete a forward pass.
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Swing and miss again Stanley.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:04 PM
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Continue.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:04 PM
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The problem is coaching...one hard-headed and stubborn head coach Dabo plus an weak offensive coordinator.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:05 PM
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DJU is bad. The coaching on this staff may be worse. No adjustments. No flow to play calling. Bad misses on recruits. That’s all coaching.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:07 PM
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Yes it did. Did you not hear the announcers calling what Clemson was going to do next?
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:08 PM
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Why pass when you're killing them with the run early? Handoffs were difficult. Passes were way off. Time for a change at QB. Maybe OC.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:08 PM
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Please remember. DJ’s inadequacies did not occur today. Streeter’s limited play calling also had more to do with the gunslinger. The key was who chose to keep him in the game until it cost us?
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Mascot [22]
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:08 PM
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Please remember. DJ’s inadequacies did not occur today. Streeter’s limited play calling also had more to do with the gunslinger. The key was who chose to keep him in the game until it cost us?
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:13 PM
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The only way we were going to win this game was running the ball and we gave up on it. Over 3.5 minutes left in the game with 3 time outs. Instead we throw it all over the yard with a QB that has struggled all day.
QB is a problem but the game was winnable. Coaches definitely have to answer some questions.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:14 PM
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You know nothing about football. And yes I’ve coached it for many years. Not a P5 coach on this staff. Dabo is a good CEO and recruiter. Not a X’s & O’s coach. Elite players, Jeff Scott and Brent Venables are the reasons we won the 2016 & 2018 Natty. Glad I was able to watch and remember all three Natty’s. Clemson’s elite status is over as long as Dabo stays the route his has Clemson on.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:14 PM
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If you have a tree at QB and play him for 2 years then that's on the coach if you ask me.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:24 PM
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You’re a fool if you believe that. Coaches decide the lineup. The lineup IS the culprit.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:28 PM
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Scarcasm ???
This loss is 100% coaching, or maybe you are right and it wasn’t a “coached” game at all. Dabo & staff clueless as to changes and it cost them thus game and maybe more. Hope the sleep well knowing they crapped the bed, literally
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:36 PM
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This loss had everything to do with coaching.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:37 PM
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I hope this is a joke post.
We have one of the most talented rosters of CFB (qb excluded).
This all about coaching.
The offense is stale and predictable and the defense gives up chunk plays like a USC co-ed gives it up in a tailgate parking lot.
You are what your record says you are...
We need outside hires of quality coordinators like we did after Billy Napier and Kevin Steele and give them the flexibility to do what they need to in order to right the ship.
We are quickly sinking back to the middle of the pack and significant changes are needed.
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This loss had to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:46 PM
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:48 PM
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Run the ball on one of those last three drives and we win.. I say that’s coaching. Make a qb change in the 4th quarter to mix things up and spark the offense we probably win. These are coaching decisions that everyone sees
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:50 PM
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This loss had “EVERYTHING “ to do with coaching!!! Everything!!!
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:52 PM
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This loss has everything to do with coaching. Who do you thinks chooses the players that goes on the field and calls the plays? Streeter called a terrible game.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:52 PM
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This loss has everything to do with coaching. Who do you thinks chooses the players that goes on the field and calls the plays? Streeter called a terrible game.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 4:59 PM
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Pretty sure the vast majority of the loss falls on coaching and their ultimate decisions.
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Re: This loss had nothing to do with coaching.
Nov 26, 2022, 5:03 PM
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And who is coaching that elephant?
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