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110%er [5513]
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Id love an 8 team playoff
Nov 4, 2015, 9:55 AM
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Signed, The SEC.
That would guarantee atleast 2 SEC team every year, I say stick with the 4.
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So would we...signed ACC, B1G, Big 12, and Pac12...
Nov 4, 2015, 9:59 AM
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who cares if they get 2 in...they'll probably get 2 in anyway with a 4 team playoff. At least the other conferences would be guaranteed a shot at 8.
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110%er [5513]
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Every conference shouldnt be
Nov 4, 2015, 10:04 AM
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Guaranteed a shot. Especially the big 12 w/o a championship game
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Disagree
Nov 4, 2015, 10:06 AM
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Every "power 5" conference should get a bid with their champion.
And every conference should determine their champion however they see fit. Let them fight within the conference as to how to determine it.
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110%er [5513]
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Even if that champion has 2-3 loses?
Nov 4, 2015, 10:29 AM
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Orange Blooded [4947]
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Re: Even if that champion has 2-3 loses?
Nov 4, 2015, 10:31 AM
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Yes
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All-In [40936]
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I think we ought to stick with former politicians
Nov 4, 2015, 3:13 PM
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that know very little about football vote to see who gets to play the big game. Former coaches reporters and athletic directors are good choices too.
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Yes, who really knows the relative merits of each conference
Nov 4, 2015, 10:35 AM
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You win your conference, you are good enough to be in. With 8 teams, there may well be 1 or 2 two loss teams, but that's ok.
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All-TigerNet [10905]
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Disagree. It is ncaa rules that don't allow a B12 CG. Why
Nov 4, 2015, 10:25 AM
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shouldn't their champion be in it? Have an 8 team playoff, and limit it to two per conference, max. If a confernce can get two of the eight, I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with the SEC possibly getting two in a 4 team playoff.
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they play a round robin conference format
Nov 4, 2015, 3:00 PM
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they can't have a title because of a rule that says you have to have 12 for some reason. So they should add SMU and BYU or something to water down the conference just so they can have a title game? That will make the league better?
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This is so painfully simple to me
Nov 4, 2015, 10:05 AM
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8 teams.
5 "power conference" champs.
3 "other" teams chosen by a committee with the caveat that only 2 teams from any 1 conference can make it in.
It gives every team in a "power 5" conference a direct path to the title that does not, at all, require pretty points or opinion.
Don't win your conference? Then you're on thin ice, and that's on you.
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Legend [15749]
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Need 12 teams, or go ahead and officially separate
Nov 4, 2015, 10:12 AM
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the Power 5 conferences from the rest of D1. As long as they are the same division, EVERY team should have a shot at the championship. Otherwise it's just more lipstick on the pig.
Houston, Toledo and Memphis are no less worthy than LSU, and arguably more worthy than Alabama...who lost to a team with two loses...one of which was to Memphis. I know everyone asks "Yeah, but who have they beaten?"...and the answer is "Everyone they've played."
Or...and this would be my preference...go back to bowls, AP writer votes, and eight months of debates between seasons.
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I actually agree for the most part
Nov 4, 2015, 10:20 AM
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I don't like the fact that about half of the teams each year in Div1A (FBS) have ZERO chance to win the title no matter how well they play. That part makes no sense to me.
They won't split divisions because those schools need to income that comes with playing the big guys and being in the conversation at least some point. But it takes a 2 or 3 year run for those teams to even get serious consideration making it more than a one year factor.
I like 8 teams, but I'd add some sort of formula or rule which strongly rewards an undefeated conference champion from a non-power5 conference. A 2 loss Bama as a non-conference champ shouldn't get in over an undefeated Memphis this year.
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Yes, I would prefer 16 over 12. I'm just saying that it
Nov 4, 2015, 11:00 AM
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NEEDS 12. 16 with 10 conference champs and 6 "at large" would satisfy everyone. Everyone thinks that is too tough on the players (extends the season too long), but really it only does so for eight teams...four of which are only extended a single game. They'll never do it but if they cut the season back to 11 games then it wouldn't really be a burden at all.
I'm a bowl fan...I liked the old system, but now there's too much money and people demand a champion...the only way to do that is a TRUE playoff, and the only way to do that is to start the season in August with EVERYONE having a shot at the championship. We'll get there...then we'll realize that we turned college football into a very large, not-as-good version of the NFL...then we'll lose interest.
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As a fan of CFB i don't really want to see the Toledo's of
Nov 4, 2015, 3:08 PM
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the world in the playoff. I already get to see Toledo vs Ohio St type games. It's called week 1 and week 2 of CFB and it sucks. Toledo would get run off the field.
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Re: This is so painfully simple to me
Nov 4, 2015, 10:29 AM
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8 teams
5 "power conference" champs (As long as they are in the top 15)
1 tentative auto-bid for a group of 5 as long as they are within the top 15 (outside of the top 15 would add a 3rd "at-large")
fill in the remainder with at-large spots (next 2-3 best teams)
I personally don't care if all come from the same conference. If they are really "that good", let them prove it. If any conference gets 4 in and most lose in the first round then the committee will reset any preset bias that they have. (To me it would be embarrassing if half of the teams are from your conference and you don't win the championship. Which I personally believe is what would happen.)
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Agree, except would be wrong to allow more than 2 from any
Nov 4, 2015, 10:41 AM
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conference. The SEC gets the hype they are the best, even in years like last and this, when that is debatable. Two per conference is aplenty.
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Don't like the polls used there
Nov 4, 2015, 10:43 AM
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That is the very thing (opinion) I'd liek to see removed from the process as much as possible.
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Re: This is so painfully simple to me
Nov 4, 2015, 11:32 AM
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For me personally, I think they should go to 8 teams. Put in 4 SEC teams & the other four conference champs. Then we can watch the other four teams crush the mighty SEC every year & this would shut them up. (Sarcasm)
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All-TigerNet [10905]
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Right on...and possibly guarantee a spot to group of five,
Nov 4, 2015, 10:31 AM
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maybe with a requirement to be ranked in the top 15 or 16. As we see this year, a team like Memphis is not getting ranked as high as they probably should be, so give them a legitimate chance to get in.
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Re: Right on...and possibly guarantee a spot to group of five,
Nov 4, 2015, 11:09 AM
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If there were 16 teams then maybe the top 8 could play in the games closer to their region while the 9-16 ranked teams would have to travel for not being as highly ranked. Just brain storming. Power 5 conference champions definitely are in the game. Then take the "lesser" opponents to fill the rest of the slots if they think they are so good.
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Abso-dam-luetly. Soooo simple, and doable.
Nov 4, 2015, 10:35 AM
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I've been saying this for some time. Really, anything short of this is inexcusable.
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That will never work....
Nov 4, 2015, 10:36 AM
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It's too simple and makes entirely too much sense.
In addition, it would take away a great deal of E$ecPN's power to manipulate the pollsters.
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Do you think there is any possibility the best team in
Nov 4, 2015, 10:07 AM
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college football may not be in the top 4? I would say yes. A small chance, but a chance nonetheless. I would hate to be #5, on a roll, and not have a shot. Now with 8 teams, the chances of the top team not having a shot go down exponentially to near nill. With a 4 team playoff there's a good chance a team playing in a lesser conference, say the ACC, who is playing blowouts against lesser opponents, would not get in the playoff over say a team that has played better teams but only won in close games. What if we didn't have ND on our schedule this year? Say they were replaced by UGA, who is unranked. Same score. Clemson would not now be in the top 4. ND is the ONLY reason we're there and we were lucky to have them on the schedule this year.
There is perhaps a 1 in 5 chance that the best team playing college football at the end of the season will not have a shot at the playoff. 8 teams makes that a 1 in 10 scenario, and much less likely.
A 4-team playoff is not a permanent solution. You need three games.
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Why stop at 8? Why not 16?
Nov 4, 2015, 10:30 AM
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Theres always gonna be some that feels left out.
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With that way of thinking
Nov 4, 2015, 10:36 AM
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Why is 4 better than 2?
Or, why play the game at all and not just crown a champion after conference championship games are played.
Of course, at every step, someone will "feel" left out, but if you give them a concrete, non opinion based, path to the playoffs (at least for every "power 5" champion) then you nullify the complaint.
They also can work on fixing their conference and conference championship process if they feel it broken, but that's on them as well.
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Re: Why stop at 8? Why not 16?
Nov 4, 2015, 10:55 AM
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It is a big difference in telling the 5th place team when there are 5 conferences tough ####.
Than telling the 9th place team the same thing.
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Exactly. I doubt you will hear much whining coming from
Nov 4, 2015, 2:55 PM
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teams #9-whatever in the final poll. Sure, some will complain. But you're not going to get others to go along. In fact, you will probably weed out most of the 2 loss or greater teams with 8 spots.
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You are correct. Last year is a prime example, TCU may have
Nov 4, 2015, 10:47 AM
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been a good as anyone, but we will never know. They sure embarrassed their bowl opponent from the mighty SEC who was previously ranked #1.
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Re: Id love an 8 team playoff
Nov 4, 2015, 10:23 AM
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There is always going to be someone left out of the playoff. All your team can do is win out and schedule strong opponents. Leave it at 4.
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You can't always schedule "strong" opponents
Nov 4, 2015, 10:38 AM
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You can try, and you can schedule teams that look (5 years earlier) like they'll be strong, but it's a crapshoot as to how they team will be when you actually play them.
And heck, ND looks great on our schedule this year, but it's lucky we have them this year as we couldn't determine when we'd get them.
Of course, you can punish a schedule devoid of any possible strong teams, but ND didn't know Texas was gonna suck this year when they were scheduled. Hard to hold that against them.
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Make it 8 and leave it there. 4 is obviously too flawed.**
Nov 4, 2015, 3:09 PM
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